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[wiccame]

Yeah, DG said he did. So, either he lied or he didn't know.

Ahh ok didn't know that. 

[Dirgegun]

They confirmed that a mage Inquisitor was originally from the Circle, right?

 

Human mage is from the Circle

 

Elf mage is Dalish and...

 

They haven't told us anything about the qunari other than they've never known the Qun. *curious now*

[spookycatlover]

Ooooh, dear. A warning to the wise: never touch the staff! 

I like to imagine that after after the kiss, she will whack him with her staff for taking it xD 

[Rhea]

Ah, thanks for the clarification   

For some silly reason I thought they could choose to take or not Lyrium 

 

Edit for Cullen

 

http://elizbethdewit...ons-of-the-just

[loominousfish]

Did he though? I remember him telling my warden he never had it as you are not given it until after you make your final vows, he was recruited as a warden before that.

 

I posted it a few pages back when we were discussing lyrium addiction, but someone wrote up a very good analysis based on the information we were given (mostly from Alistair, but also some clarification from David Gaider in an interview) about templars and lyrium.

 

http://vieralynn.tum...d-the-harrowing

 

From the post:

 

 

 

And this is DG’s “word of god” statement on Templar abilities during an interview in January 2012: 

Even if Templar magic was recognized as spellcasting, it’s not innate to the Templars, if they just stopped taking lyrium eventually they would lose the ability. Although as Alistair proves, they can use the ability for a long time afterwards. I think part of that was just the requirements of gameplay, for us to have a specialization as well, so some of that story doesn’t quite match up with the gameplay, and I think eventually we’d like to work the lyrium requirement back into the gameplay as well.

 

The post also points out that Alistair doesn't actually say he never did lyrium, he says that he was never addicted to it.  And Alistair has been known to lie by omission, or tell partial truths.

 

I really do recommend reading it, as it brings up a lot of good points.

[jtav]

I"m wondering if it's possible to "kick" lyrium if you're willing to forego templar talents? Or if Cullen will lose his mind one way or the other.

[LolaLei]

Human mage yes

 

Thanks

 

See, I knew all this but I've been so busy with work and stuff that I completely forgot.

[CENIC]

As awkward as it would be for the Anora/Cousland pair, I always got the impression that Couslands, Mages and City Elves were around 18-20 in Origins. That's just how it 'feels' to me, though.

Yeah, I feel it too. Age differences aren't really my kink, though... so it does feel kinda awkward pairing him with Anora.
For my Amell, that age totally works - she starts out a naive, sheltered teacher's pet and slowly comes into her own over the course of the adventure. Cousland... mine's character arc is basically all about getting revenge on Howe. He's ruthless and pragmatic because he won't let anything stand between him and vengeance. I guess it makes sense that a 20-year-old would mature pretty quickly in Cousland's situation...

[Potato Cat]

I"m wondering if it's possible to "kick" lyrium if you're willing to forego templar talents? Or if Cullen will lose his mind one way or the other.

Nope. Once you're on it, you're on it for life. The only way to cure withdrawal symptoms is to get more lyrium. They never go away otherwise. Which is why I think it's best to keep him on the stuff, if there's a choice.

[DuskWanderer]

I"m wondering if it's possible to "kick" lyrium if you're willing to forego templar talents? Or if Cullen will lose his mind one way or the other.

We have no idea if Cullen is addicted to lyrium, so he might be able to kick it just fine.

 

Even so, some people get over addictions without losing their minds.

[Hellion Rex]

They confirmed that a mage Inquisitor was originally from the Circle, right?

Well, we are a Marcher, so I wonder if you are from The Starkhaven Circle or the Gallows. Perhaps Ansburg, Markham, or Ostwick.

[Phate Phoenix]

I"m wondering if it's possible to "kick" lyrium if you're willing to forego templar talents? Or if Cullen will lose his mind one way or the other.

 

I'm thinking no.  It's Dragon Age: once you're hooked, you're screwed.

 

Or, if there is a way to kick the habit, it's at a terrible cost. Probably to those around you. And their mothers.

[Potato Cat]

Human mage is from the Circle
 
Elf mage is Dalish and...
 
They haven't told us anything about the qunari other than they've never known the Qun. *curious now*

I wonder if a qunari mage will still be a life long apostate. I hope so.

And our history as a surface dwarf. I'm convinced we'll be part of the Merchant's Guild.

[Hellion Rex]

I think Evangeline might have kicked the habit, due to "special" circumstances.

[Hellion Rex]

Human mage is from the Circle

Elf mage is Dalish and...

They haven't told us anything about the qunari other than they've never known the Qun. *curious now*

I wonder if the Qunmage was perhaps a part of a mercenary group, or something to that effect.

[Xilizhra]

It's a shame we can't be Tal-Vashoth.

[Hellion Rex]

It's a shame we can't be Tal-Vashoth.

Indeed. Would have loved to play a Tal-Vashoth mage.

[Dirgegun]

Indeed. Would have loved to play a Tal-Vashoth mage.

 

It's a shame we can't be Tal-Vashoth.

 

I guess it's to keep new players in mind. It's a bit difficult to play a Tal-Vashoth when you don't even know what the Qun is?

 

At the same time, though, I do find the story a Vashoth can offer just as interesting.

 

(Aaand I didn't quote those in order. Oops.)

[wiccame]

I posted it a few pages back when we were discussing lyrium addiction, but someone wrote up a very good analysis based on the information we were given (mostly from Alistair, but also some clarification from David Gaider in an interview) about templars and lyrium.

 

http://vieralynn.tum...d-the-harrowing

 

From the post:

 

 

The post also points out that Alistair doesn't actually say he never did lyrium, he says that he was never addicted to it.  And Alistair has been known to lie by omission, or tell partial truths.

 

I really do recommend reading it, as it brings up a lot of good points.

Thanks for that, there is really a lot of inconsistencies. Though I suppose a lot could almost be hand waived as unclear in their individual statements.

[Hellion Rex]

I think our character will be perhaps be a Senior Enchanter if we are a Circle Magi.

[loominousfish]

I"m wondering if it's possible to "kick" lyrium if you're willing to forego templar talents? Or if Cullen will lose his mind one way or the other.

 

I think it might depend on how much lyrium you take, how often, and for how long you've been taking lyrium for. Let's look at what we know:

 

Alistair was a former templar recruit, and yet he was still able to use templar abilities for a time even after he left the Chantry, up until the comics when he apparently has to start taking lyrium again in order to use his templar skills again. And as DG has said in an interview, "even if Templar magic was recognized as spellcasting, if they just stopped taking lyrium eventually they would lose the ability." And also, the Warden doesn't actually ask Alistair if he never took lyrium, just if he was addicted to it, which Alistair says no to. 

 

And then let's consider templar recruits in general. In order to train them to use their powers, they'd actually have to have  their powers, right? So if templar skills are not innate, then I think it's safe to assume that when you get recruited into the order and begin training, then recruits are given an initial dose of lyrium in order to activate their powers. Alistair shows that that initial dose of lyrium is enough to ensure that you'd be able to use these skills for a long time afterwards. And after you take your vows, the Chantry probably increases the dosage of lyrium they give you, until finally you become reliant on it and are addicted. 

 

And finally, there's the templars that we run into in the games that are going through withdrawal, and then there's Evangeline from Asunder, who states that she needs at least two-vials a week to keep her going, without which insanity will kick in within a week. She also says, "There's no turning back from the Order once you're within" to Rhys when he comments on her addiction. Although, given her... special circumstances, she may have kicked the habit. 

 

There was also that journal entry thing that Bioware released, written by a templar who was going through withdrawal because they pissed off their superior in some way, so their superior was retaliating by either cutting down on their lyrium ration or taking it away altogether? I'll try and find it later. It was floating around, somewhere.

 

But back to the point. Perhaps if you haven't been a templar for very long, then maybe it'd be possible to kick the habit and recover from the withdrawal. I imagine it would get harder and harder the longer you've been a templar until finally you just go insane. Whether or not the lyrium actually enhances the templar skills is a mystery (although I'm inclined to believe that it does, at least a little), but the Chantry definitely uses it to trap and control those who join the Order.

[wiccame]

I"m wondering if it's possible to "kick" lyrium if you're willing to forego templar talents? Or if Cullen will lose his mind one way or the other.

I don't think so...Sampson in DA2 is no longer a templar and he's begging for it on the streets.

[Dirgegun]

I think our character will be perhaps be a Senior Enchanter if we are a Circle Magi.

 

If that is true I will be tempted to make the most un-Senior Enchanter type character ever.

 

"Who the hell thought this was a good idea?"

 

...Then again most of my Inquisitors will be like that. 

[Hellion Rex]

^At the very least, giving lyrium to a Templar will up their resistance to magic. It would also assuredly boost the powers that they learn. I'm of the mind that it could be possible to learn the abilities without lyrium, but they would pale in comparison to those people who do utilize lyrium.

[jtav]

Okay, now I feel really awful for Cullen. His choices are to end up like Samson or like the various lyrium-addled templars we see. Oh and the group he did all this for has lost its mind and betrayed everything he stands for.

I suddenly have an urge for him to have a long conversation with Blackwall.