I'm not sure what to make of that. I feel the question can be read either way and I'm more in line with Potato Cat in thinking it means we can go pro-templar or pro-mage. Hopefully I'm reading it wrong and we can find a middle ground int he conflict.
I finished very tired of the conflict mage-templar. 
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I support compromise! I support Thedas Hogwarts! /o/
But, with a little less monsters and incompetent professors, a lot less Voldemort, and a little less wandering the halls at night and being accused of Blood Magic because you are standing next to Anders' petrified cat.
Hahaha I was like that in first play-through, I found it a little odd to because my surname is extremely close to the protagonist's that it really did feel like I was being spoken to directly.
/agree Dirgegun! I'd love to come to a compromise between the two
Any news since Cole's VA? I'm sorry, I'm so tired, I will never catch up I'm sorry I'm too tired to English properly.
But, with a little less monsters and incompetent professors, a lot less Voldemort, and a little less wandering the halls at night and being accused of Blood Magic because you are standing next to Anders' petrified cat.
Yes. 
Any news since Cole's VA? I'm sorry, I'm so tired, I will never catch up
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My own preference is pro-templar (actually what I'd really like is to get rid of magic, but that's not going to happen), but I've been really disappointed by how the question has been framed so far. Kirkwall is corrupt, with blood mages everywhere, rape of mages by templars being ignored, and a Rite of Annulment carried out under dodgy circumstances. A better way to frame the question would be "should a mage like Bethany be forced into the Ferelden Circle." I think it makes for a more interesting discussion if we're not distracted by the Quentins and Alriks of Thedas.
You're Pro-Templar and want magic to be completely eradicated? I would love to hear your thought process on why. I personally am Pro-Mage and want all the (current) Templars to be eradicated, along with The Chantrys' extreme influence. So, by definition, we are complete opposites. I think we could have quite the debate. But, perhaps this thread is not the place.
And I still want Cole's ridiculous hat.
You're Pro-Templar and want magic to be completely eradicated? I would love to hear your thought process on why. I personally am Pro-Mage and want all the (current) Templars to be eradicated, along with The Chantrys' extreme influence. So, by definition, we are complete opposites. I think we could have quite the debate. But, perhaps this thread is not the place.
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I thought making a countdown would ease my pain of waiting. It didn't. It made it worse. :u
Are any of you going to hate going to school/work when it comes out? I'm going to be wanting to play alllll day long.
Here's hoping you don't mind ... I shared this on FB, hehe.
On the other hand, I'm almost completely neutral. I have very little sympathy for either side in DA2. 99% of the mages appeared to have neither a sense of self-control, nor any use for gratitude (I'm looking at you Grace). Orsino seemed like such a nice man until his involvement with Quentin came out, I was pretty glad I got to kill him after that.
The templars were generally arrogant and abusing their power (Alrik) or incompetent and cowardly (Thrask) and Meredith was obsessive even before she became cuckoo.
If there had been a way to say "screw you guys, I'm going home" my Hawke would have sailed off to Ferelden and left them all too it. As it is I always end up siding with the mages because I can't personally justify killing them all as a result of Anders' actions.
In even other hand I'm very neutral as well but liking both of sides XD I adore some templar characters and I also love templar armors! However I also see where mages come from and I'd love to achieve better system for them.
But at the end of DA2.. I really hoped there was option to leave ^^ None wanted compromise so I was forced to chose between two bad ways to handle things and I hated that ^^
In even other hand I'm very neutral as well but liking both of sides XD I adore some templar characters and I also love templar armors! However I also see where mages come from and I'd love to achieve better system for them.
But at the end of DA2.. I really hoped there was option to leave ^^ None wanted compromise so I was forced to chose between two bad ways to handle things and I hated that ^^
My stance on the mage/templar debate is that we need Hogwarts-- a sane Hogwarts, mind. Visitors are allowed and once a mage has passed their Harrowing (which they should be properly trained for), they're free to go if they wish or they can stay on to continue their learning and eventually become an instructor. Templars remain a simple defence force/guard force rather than prison enforcers.
That's the ideal, anyway.
My stance on the mage/templar debate is that we need Hogwarts-- a sane Hogwarts, mind. Visitors are allowed and once a mage has passed their Harrowing (which they should be properly trained for), they're free to go if they wish or they can stay on to continue their learning and eventually become an instructor. Templars remain a simple defence force/guard force rather than prison enforcers.
That's the ideal, anyway.
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My ideal Thedas would have a Circle system seperate from the Chantry and running along the lines of an academy system providing compulsory education for mages, and voluntary shelter. Once a mage passed their harrowing they would be free to go if they chose to. The Templars would be a networked group spread through cities and larger villages so that mages could live in the wider community under general supervision.
That's been my thoughts since DA:O, but I often felt my Hawke was the only sane mage In Kirkwall, and Cullen the only sane Templar
My stance on the mage/templar debate is that we need Hogwarts-- a sane Hogwarts, mind. Visitors are allowed and once a mage has passed their Harrowing (which they should be properly trained for), they're free to go if they wish or they can stay on to continue their learning and eventually become an instructor. Templars remain a simple defence force/guard force rather than prison enforcers.
That's the ideal, anyway.
You guys should just throw in with us Pro-Magers. You've already got the right attitude. And besides, Pro-Magers get cookies. Magical cookies. You know what Pro-Templar people get? Bread. Stale bread. 
You guys should just throw in with us Pro-Magers. You've already got the right attitude. And besides, Pro-Magers get cookies. Magical cookies. You know what Pro-Templar people get? Bread. Stale bread.
I think I'm still more of neutral compared to some pro-mage folks? Not all but some I have come across on tumblr and stuff.. Killing templars and blowing up chantry's are still big no-no for me XD
On the other hand, I'm almost completely neutral. I have very little sympathy for either side in DA2. 99% of the mages appeared to have neither a sense of self-control, nor any use for gratitude (I'm looking at you Grace). Orsino seemed like such a nice man until his involvement with Quentin came out, I was pretty glad I got to kill him after that.
The templars were generally arrogant and abusing their power (Alrik) or incompetent and cowardly (Thrask) and Meredith was obsessive even before she became cuckoo.
If there had been a way to say "screw you guys, I'm going home" my Hawke would have sailed off to Ferelden and left them all too it. As it is I always end up siding with the mages because I can't personally justify killing them all as a result of Anders' actions.
I am neutral too. I have to say though that generally I find that based on rumour, innuendo, gossip or evidence of one event, etc in the game, some people assume that stuff is happening and happening on a wide scale. For example, the rape of Mages issue. Where is the evidence that this is occuring in more than a few isolated cases in the Gallows and how is this different then what may be happening in the general population in Kirkwall? Clearly one case of rape is not acceptable in any context but I doubt it only has happened in the Gallows.
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I think I'm still more of neutral compared to some pro-mage folks? Not all but some I have come across on tumblr and stuff.. Killing templars and blowing up chantry's are still big no-no for me XD
Cookies, Pandaa. Magical Cookies. And, yeah, I use "Pro-Mage" to mean "FREEDOM AND RIGHTS!", instead of what some people use it to mean, "DEATH TO OUR TEMPLAR ENEMIES!". I mean, sure, I want Templars to just...not exist, but evil mass murder is one of the reasons I am Pro-Mage.
Oh god so many times this!
I ended up having chats in really odd world locations so many times due to trying to loot
lol if it was Alistair I got a free kiss....it never stopped him getting in the way so I assume he liked it too 
Sten for instance got a....well if you didn't get your big head in the way of my looting I would not have clicked you
On the other hand, I'm almost completely neutral. I have very little sympathy for either side in DA2. 99% of the mages appeared to have neither a sense of self-control, nor any use for gratitude (I'm looking at you Grace). Orsino seemed like such a nice man until his involvement with Quentin came out, I was pretty glad I got to kill him after that.
The templars were generally arrogant and abusing their power (Alrik) or incompetent and cowardly (Thrask) and Meredith was obsessive even before she became cuckoo.
If there had been a way to say "screw you guys, I'm going home" my Hawke would have sailed off to Ferelden and left them all too it. As it is I always end up siding with the mages because I can't personally justify killing them all as a result of Anders' actions.
I'm pretty neutral too, it's hard to say mages should be free completely when you have so many turning to blood magic and taking to the streets, it's out of desperation, sure, but too many innocents suffer because of it and that's no way to make a statement claiming they are harmless. On the other hand like you said there are too many templars who abuse their powers and don't take the time to punish the guilty and protect the innocents in the circle. They just too often make them all suffer cause they can.
I mainly side with mages at the end because yeah, the circle had no part in Anders scheme but I do side with templars on ocassion because well, letting so many angry mages loose on the city is probably not such a good idea. So some of my Hawkes are like, lets get this place under control first and then find a way to improve the situation.
I think they do have a right to their freedom just like anyone else....they are taken as a child whose only crime is to be born with a 'potentially' dangerous power'. if that was to be applied to everyone, every child born could potentially become a mass murderer so best lock them up too.
We all have the power to commit horrible crimes, but most of us know enough right from wrong and are just not inclined to inflict harm on someone else. I don't see mages as any different.
But they do need some sort of supervision and instruction, they do need to learn their craft. So in that instance I do believe the circles are needed, but I think in the capacity of a school not a prison would be better, and explicit rules stating mages need to regularly 'check in'.
I think...mages have a right to not be raped or assaulted, have a reasonable expectation of judicial fairness, and that the Rites of Tranquility and Annulment should be last resorts that have clear and defined guideline for when they should be used. I'd also like for Cullen's idea that Annulment should only be used to kill maleficar to be a legally recognized thing. Contact with family should be encouraged, but may be impractical in many cases given the tech level. I don't think mages have a right to live without supervision or study what they wish.
Mages should have the right to be safe, from themselves, from the Fade, and from mundanes, and mundanes should have the right to be safe from mages. That's basically what it comes down to for me. Some level of supervision is a must, be it Templars or some new secular order, because mages alone can spontaneously become abominations (without Fade-tearing occurring), and I feel that abominations are the true danger that mages both face and invite.
It's such a hard topic to think about. Safety vs Freedom. I align more with safety, myself, in this case. I'm hopeful Cullen feels the same.
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