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[noxpanda]

Interesting discussion!

 

Heres one of my da:i theories;

if the demons are pouring in through the veil and say we (if we have the choice) destroy the veil altogether, that would mean all the demons would be loose in their own forms. Which surely would mean no more (or very few) abominations, as most demonic bodies seem far, far more powerful than mage bodies. So if theres no more abominations, would the circle still be a good idea?

[CuriousArtemis]

I think it helps that a lot of us are very middle-of-the-road. Also, we're in a Templar character's thread. And a lot of us have rolled an Amell/Surana to see Cullen in DAO.  We get both sides of the story.

 

I'm actually not middle-of-the-road at all, but...

 

...and the rest of us just don't engage anymore...

 

Yep

[Potato Cat]

My only hopes for DAI regarding the mages/templars are simply that there are more options than:
 
1. Side with mages
2. Side with templars
3. Not get involved/think both are too extreme and do nothing about it
 
And that I really hope the conflict is more important than a background quest. (Ex. Stormcloaks/Imperials like in Skyrim) It's been such a big issue for some time it would be a shame for it to end in the side lines!

From Patrick Weekes' tweet, it's safe to say the first two will be available and I think number three is present in the form of screw them all.

My ideal scenario: there's at least three groups from each side. For example, 'Pro-Circle' Mages, Resolutionists and the Venatori and Chantry-loyal Templars, Lambert's Templars and Red Templars. Each one more radical and we can choose which ones to side with and which ones to go against.

[jtav]

Interesting discussion!
 
Heres one of my da:i theories;
if the demons are pouring in through the veil and say we (if we have the choice) destroy the veil altogether, that would mean all the demons would be loose in their own forms. Which surely would mean no more (or very few) abominations, as most demonic bodies seem far, far more powerful than mage bodies. So if theres no more abominations, would the circle still be a good idea?

If that happens, we have a state of emergency. End all restrictions on magic immediately.

[Hellion Rex]

Interesting discussion!

Heres one of my da:i theories;
if the demons are pouring in through the veil and say we (if we have the choice) destroy the veil altogether, that would mean all the demons would be loose in their own forms. Which surely would mean no more (or very few) abominations, as most demonic bodies seem far, far more powerful than mage bodies. So if theres no more abominations, would the circle still be a good idea?

I believe the more powerful, smarter demons would still possess people to hide in plain sight.

[Hellion Rex]

Then again, if the Veil goes poof, we might have bigger fish to fry. I think the Veil is trapping something within the Fade. And with the Veil gone, there is nothing left to imprison it.

[Potato Cat]

Then again, if the Veil goes poof, we might have bigger fish to fry. I think the Veil is trapping something within the Fade. And with the Veil gone, there is nothing left to imprison it.

And a bunch of really troublesome vines everywhere! Oh wait, wrong franchise.

[Rhea]

I would like an Aes Sedai-Warder solution to the conflict. Mages and templars working together. 

http://www.pinterest...64378271876200/

[Hellion Rex]

And a bunch of really troublesome vines everywhere! Oh wait, wrong franchise.

KORRA REFERENCE.

[CuriousArtemis]

I would like an Aes Sedai-Warder solution to the conflict. Mages and templars working together. 

 

Those books...  Not a fan of the female race, that Mr. Jordan.

[R2s Muse]

I would like an Aes Sedai-Warder solution to the conflict. Mages and templars working together. 

<snipping lovely art>

http://www.pinterest...64378271876200/

Sorry, this is what this reminded me of...

 

"Forty years of darkness! earth quakes, volcanoes...

The dead rising from the grave.

Human sacrifice, mages and templars... living together! Mass hysteria!" 

[Char]

Those books...  Not a fan of the female race, that Mr. Jordan.

Stereotypes and sweeping generalisations all over the place I still quite enjoyed the series though, mainly for the depth of lore. One of the rare series where I found it incredibly difficult to empathise with many of the characters though.

[Rhea]

Those books...  Not a fan of the female race, that Mr. Jordan.

 

Yeah you're right    

but it's the concept of fighting together what I like it   

[CuriousArtemis]

Stereotypes and sweeping generalisations all over the place I still quite enjoyed the series though, mainly for the depth of lore. One of the rare series where I found it incredibly difficult to empathise with many of the characters though.

 

Yeah, that was the problem. The main character was... well I didn't like that guy lol Then there were the other two boys... didn't one end up with like three wives? Right, okay. Yeah they were very involved, lore-wise, and I think I made it to like book five or six. I was in high school when I read them. They were kind of at the tail end of my epic fantasy days.

[Hellion Rex]

Those books... Not a fan of the female race, that Mr. Jordan.

Yeah...I side eyed that one pretty hard.

[Hellion Rex]

Those books... Not a fan of the female race, that Mr. Jordan.

Yeah...I side eyed that one pretty hard.

[CuriousArtemis]

Yeah you're right  

but it's the concept of fighting together what I like it   

 

It is interesting, but you're right; the mage would have a knight that like followed her around and stuff (I can't remember much more as this was 15 years ago I read these). Now that would work out if they were a couple, but otherwise I think it would get annoying to have this person always following you around lol

[R2s Muse]

 

Heres one of my da:i theories;

if the demons are pouring in through the veil and say we (if we have the choice) destroy the veil altogether, that would mean all the demons would be loose in their own forms. Which surely would mean no more (or very few) abominations, as most demonic bodies seem far, far more powerful than mage bodies. So if theres no more abominations, would the circle still be a good idea?

Interesting notion. I bet you're right on the abominations. I just can't see that happening tho, since where would we go when we dream? The Fade, apparently, it much more than just a place where the demons live, right? If it holds such an intrinsic role in Thedosian life... perhaps the Veil itself is more organic than that and maybe we ... need it?  I mean, granted, Velanna spoke "a time before the Veil" but I still wonder what that really means. 

[Hellion Rex]

@Artemis, I'd bet the concept could be implemented within the Seekers, having a mage and trained warrior fight as a team.

[Hellion Rex]

@R2, I'm starting to think that if the Veil truly does disappear, the dwarves will be able to dream again. Perhaps even begin to use magic again, like Sandal does.

[Rhea]

Yeah, that was the problem. The main character was... well I didn't like that guy lol Then there were the other two boys... didn't one end up with like three wives? Right, okay. Yeah they were very involved, lore-wise, and I think I made it to like book five or six. I was in high school when I read them. They were kind of at the tail end of my epic fantasy days.

The concept harem ... I couldn't deal with it. 

 

It is interesting, but you're right; the mage would have a knight that like followed her around and stuff (I can't remember much more as this was 15 years ago I read these). Now that would work out if they were a couple, but otherwise I think it would get annoying to have this person always following you around lol

 

I was thinking of them fighting together but eliminating the partner-stalker issue.

[Char]

Yeah, that was the problem. The main character was... well I didn't like that guy lol Then there were the other two boys... didn't one end up with like three wives? Right, okay. Yeah they were very involved, lore-wise, and I think I made it to like book five or six. I was in high school when I read them. They were kind of at the tail end of my epic fantasy days.

The main character ended up with the harem.
I spent ..13? Books wanting to kick Egwene, and smack Rand upside the head :/

In contrast I recently read Steven Eriksen's Malazan Empire series and despite the truckloads of lore, huuuge timespan and hundreds of starring characters got so involved in the series I really felt like I'd lost something precious when I reached the end and realised the story was over

[Char]

It is interesting, but you're right; the mage would have a knight that like followed her around and stuff (I can't remember much more as this was 15 years ago I read these). Now that would work out if they were a couple, but otherwise I think it would get annoying to have this person always following you around lol

I would be very uncomfortable with even a partner knowing my whereabouts 24/7

However, mage/templar Seeker teams could be cool for wandering around Thedas in the name of Good

[SamaraDraven]

The thing is temptation is always around, non mages face temptations all the time, it's that thing inside us that says no this is wrong. I wont do that. Granted it would be harder to resist a demon than robbing a bank to feed your family, but there are mages strong enough to resist. It's just not fair to treat everyone the same.

Temptation will always be around. For everyone. Temptation takes many forms. But I think reducing the squeeze on mages will go a long way toward preventing abominations. Demons tend to prey on the distressed and weak. If more was done to integrate mages into society on a normal level and the stigma were to disappear, I think far fewer mages would succumb to demonic suggestion. If the stigma of magic was gone, even mages with a problem, like a sick child perhaps, would be able to turn to the greater resources of the Circle for help rather than resort to forbidden magic. I believe a compromise is possible.

In my ideal scenario, mages are registered and sent to a different kind of school than other kids but not removed from their families. The Templars would be a more widespread authority - not greater in terms of jurisdiction but more out there, like a special kind of police force. I'd also have the Order's attention steered toward detecting bad magic being used against all people by making phylacteries standard for everyone rather than just as a tattle rattle for mages. All citizens would have one - because in my assumption, the phylactery of anyone who is experience magic being used against them will light up. For mages, having magic used against them may not appear differently in the vial from their own usage of magic, so mandates for no magic use except in self defense and/or in production of their trade at approved times and places would set perameters for when it might be expected and when it might indicate something untoward was occurring.

There are also glyphs and runes that can affect magic and we use them in combat. Why not use them to protect areas as well? Magic-proof important places, like the Chantry or medical facilities and town halls. And the Order would more than just a Mage-keeping force - they'd investigate instances of illegal use of magic, provide protection -of course - to sensitive areas and people, and help devise ways of detecting and preventing magic from being used as a weapon. But they would do this not from the position of locking mages up "just in case" or as mages being "the bad guy" but rather as a benefit to all - mages too. Here's the humdinger: even mages could be in the Order, helping to fight against bad magic.

I know it's idealistic but that's what I see as a compromise. Monitoring and safeguards for the Templars' peace of mind and freedom for mages on par with everyone else. I think the whole reason Thedas is in the mess it's in is because of the "Us vs. Them" mindset the rest of the world has against mages and the violence and death that have occurred as a result is responsible for what's going on now. But that's me.