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Plus it seems as though what I've feared has come true....we'll be seeing them for the majority of the game at Skyhold and I'll have to continuously go out of my way to teleport and have conversations with them -_- (would've preferred them to have some interactions in a camp or something...)

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Where was it stated in the first place? I thought it was just speculated that he truly left the order all together....clarification would be very, very nice

This is in Cullen's Q&A:

[BB]: Meredith was Cullen's commanding officer; he wanted to trust her. But standing against her paved the way for him to help form what would become the Inquisition. The templars failed to protect their charges and the people of Kirkwall. The Order has not lived up to its ideal, and though it wasn't easy for him, Cullen now recognizes that. It's something he's still processing, but he's looking to move forward and fight for something he can believe in. The whole world's falling apart, and Cullen won't sit by and watch that happen. He wants to be part of a solution. If that means serving the Inquisition instead of the Order, then that's what he's going to do.

So at this moment in time he isn't serving the order, but whether or not he would go back to it after Inquisition, who knows.
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This is in Cullen's Q&A:

[BB]: Meredith was Cullen's commanding officer; he wanted to trust her. But standing against her paved the way for him to help form what would become the Inquisition. The templars failed to protect their charges and the people of Kirkwall. The Order has not lived up to its ideal, and though it wasn't easy for him, Cullen now recognizes that. It's something he's still processing, but he's looking to move forward and fight for something he can believe in. The whole world's falling apart, and Cullen won't sit by and watch that happen. He wants to be part of a solution. If that means serving the Inquisition instead of the Order, then that's what he's going to do.

So at this moment in time he isn't serving the order, but whether or not he would go back to it after Inquisition, who knows.


It is a very good indication, but it doesn't mean that he has 100% left the order and it may be that you can convince him to leave it behind completely. It just means that he's not content with the way that things are going within the order and wants to make a change somehow, someway. Though, I desperately want him to be 100% apart of the Inquisition simply due to trust issues and the like with him.
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This is in Cullen's Q&A:

[BB]: Meredith was Cullen's commanding officer; he wanted to trust her. But standing against her paved the way for him to help form what would become the Inquisition. The templars failed to protect their charges and the people of Kirkwall. The Order has not lived up to its ideal, and though it wasn't easy for him, Cullen now recognizes that. It's something he's still processing, but he's looking to move forward and fight for something he can believe in. The whole world's falling apart, and Cullen won't sit by and watch that happen. He wants to be part of a solution. If that means serving the Inquisition instead of the Order, then that's what he's going to do.

So at this moment in time he isn't serving the order, but whether or not he would go back to it after Inquisition, who knows.

Thanks! I didn't quite remember where it was stated or I would have said so in my previous comment. But I knew someone had stated it at some point. But, I left it open to ask if there was further clarification needed. I don't always trust my own memory.


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It is a very good indication, but it doesn't mean that he has 100% left the order and it may be that you can convince him to leave it behind completely. It just means that he's not content with the way that things are going within the order and wants to make a change somehow, someway. Though, I desperately want him to be 100% apart of the Inquisition simply due to trust issues and the like with him.

I suppose, but honestly it doesn't matter to me either way. I never really saw the Templars as the bad guys and getting the chance to bring Templars and Mages together rather than driving them further apart would make my day. But I'm too much of an optimist, truth be told.



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I suppose, but honestly it doesn't matter to me either way. I never really saw the Templars as the bad guys and getting the chance to bring Templars and Mages together rather than driving them further apart would make my day. But I'm too much of an optimist, truth be told.


It's just weird to have someone not be 100% invested into your own organization when they have to then also worry about the interests of their other factions around. In general that sort of makes my Inquisitor question their priorities and loyalties as their other interests may blind them from the interests of the Inquisition as a whole. Granted, I'm positive that Cullen wouldn't do anything to betray my Inquisitor, but she would still always have that worry on the back of her mind and it would make her have a certain distrust of him....She would want someone who is completely there for the Inquisition and only the Inquisition, not possibly spying on her or leading her troops against her.

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I don't think there would be any reason to not trust Cullen. I think he is far too noble to do anything behind the Inquisitors back. I mean, if the way he supported Meredith to nearly the end is not an indication of how loyal he can be then I don't know what is. I see him wanting what is best for Thedas and putting his full support and effort into achieving that. We may have differing opinions with him when it comes to some things but I don't imagine him screwing us over because of it, not when there is a civilization at stake and he clearly sees that as a top priority.

I have always thought that in his heart, Cullen is a Templar, and holds to the old ideals of what a Templar stood for. If he thought that he could make a huge difference in the order, to start putting it back to the way it was intended to be, then I can see him returning to it after Inquisition. But I'm also very much on the fence with the mage-templar situation and if Cullen thought he could do good within the order and right its wrongs then my PC would support him in that choice--after all, he would of had her back throughout Inquisition.

I'm also speculating a lot here. ^_^
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This is going to sound crazy, but I think the best analogy for Cullen might be Miranda. DA2 was his big "consider this my resignation" moment. Only, now what? His principles haven't changed in that he still want to help people, but he's undergoing a crisis over how best to serve. And we get to help him work through that crisis.


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I don't think there would be any reason to not trust Cullen. I think he is far too noble to do anything behind the Inquisitors back. I mean, if the way he supported Meredith to nearly the end is not an indication of how loyal he can be then I don't know what is. I see him wanting what is best for Thedas and putting his full support and effort into achieving that. We may have differing opinions with him when it comes to some things but I don't imagine him screwing us over because of it, not when there is a civilization at stake and he clearly sees that as a top priority.

I have always though that in his heart, Cullen is a Templar, and holds to the old ideals of what a Templar stood for. If he thought that he could make a huge difference in the order, to start putting it back to the way it was intended to be, then I can see him returning to it after Inquisition. But I'm also very much on the fence with the mage-templar situation and if Cullen thought he could do good within the order and right its wrongs then my PC would support him in that choice--after all, he would of had her back throughout Inquisition.

I'm also speculating a lot here. ^_^


This is why I wish we had clarification because otherwise all these speculations come up as well as worries lol.

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This is why I wish we had clarification because otherwise all these speculations come up as well as worries lol.

Well, Allan popped his head in yesterday and said that he liked what Brianne had done with Cullen (so far). Though, that would probably be more comforting for you if I knew what Allan's stance was on the whole mage-templar war.

But I meant him wanting to return to the order was speculation. I firmly believe in the rest about him being loyal and putting the Inquisition above everything else even if we may have a few disagreements even now and then about some of our choices. :)

Edit: I actually think there is a Q&A on twitter with @dragonage. You should ask for confirmation if it is someting you really want to know. :)

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Edit: I actually think there is a Q&A on twitter with @dragonage. You should ask for confirmation if it is someting you really want to know. :)

 

It's supposedly about combat though.


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It's supposedly about combat though.


Oh, pooh. :)

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Could always just tweet the writer and simply ask her :)



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Could always just tweet the writer and simply ask her :)

Or there is that, lol. I just had this really weird thought that Sandal is the big bad :/

Edit: like the big bad is Keyser Soze and Sandal is Verbal.

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Or there is that, lol. I just had this really weird thought that Sandal is the big bad :/

I don't think Sandal is the Big Bad, but I do think he's somehow connected/tuned in to what's really happening to Thedas right now.


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I don't think Sandal is the Big Bad, but I do think he's somehow connected/tuned in to what's really happening to Thedas right now.


Oh, don't take it at all seriously. I just think up ridiculous things sometimes. There is ovniousky something more to him though, as you said, he is tuned in to what's happening. I find him very intriguing.

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It is a very good indication, but it doesn't mean that he has 100% left the order and it may be that you can convince him to leave it behind completely. It just means that he's not content with the way that things are going within the order and wants to make a change somehow, someway. Though, I desperately want him to be 100% apart of the Inquisition simply due to trust issues and the like with him.

 

I think the question immediately after Boom's quote is more telling, especially since it's an "Official" Q and A.

 

[DA]: As a former knight-captain, Cullen is certainly well-trained and experienced. What is his primary area of expertise?


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I think the question immediately after Boom's quote is more telling, especially since it's an "Official" Q and A.
 
[DA]: As a former knight-captain, Cullen is certainly well-trained and experienced. What is his primary area of expertise?


Thank you! The official site is not at all tablet friendly--I can barely scroll down. So I never got that far. ^_^
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I think the question immediately after Boom's quote is more telling, especially since it's an "Official" Q and A.

 

[DA]: As a former knight-captain, Cullen is certainly well-trained and experienced. What is his primary area of expertise?

 

Thank you! The official site is not at all tablet friendly--I can barely scroll down. So I never got that far. ^_^

 

Don't you hate it when you KNOW you found proof somewhere but can't remember where?? lol


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This is going to sound crazy, but I think the best analogy for Cullen might be Miranda. DA2 was his big "consider this my resignation" moment. Only, now what? His principles haven't changed in that he still want to help people, but he's undergoing a crisis over how best to serve. And we get to help him work through that crisis.

 

I actually like this comparison.

 

In ME2, it's clear that Miranda was trying to help humanity and felt Cerberus was the best way to do that, but would often turn a blind eye to Cerberus' more dubious activities or attempt to justify them (more to herself). She eventually woke up over the course of the game to the fact she was part of the problem and realised there was a better way to help people that didn't involve collateral damage.

 

Cullen spends most of DA2 similarly attempting to rationalise everything that Meredith is doing, either turning his head to ignore the obvious abuses in the Gallows, or trying to justify the actions of the extremists as being a necessity given the dangerous environment of Kirkwall. I think his displeasure with the events of Act 3 is what cements his turn against Meredith at the endgame and why he felt he needed to possibly leave the Templars, as they had also become part of the problem.

 

(While never stated, I think Thrask's death was part of the wake up call for Cullen, as Thrask was a good Templar who decided to take a stand against Meredith's brutality, only for his coup to fail and ever single conspirator to be hung on the approach to the Gallows as a warning not to question her power. I also wonder if Thrask wanted to get Cullen's support, but didn't involve him in the conspiracy because he considered he too close to Meredith and wasn't certain where his true loyalties lay, forcing him to seek another powerful ally such as Hawke).


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i gotta say, i am swooning over this game. like the heady sensations of first love.

 

and all the characters sound so interesting. i can't wait to meet them. i hope.....i hope that i will have a way to make the inquisition more than just an organization. more than Inquisition, Inc.

 

i mean, i hope that i can shape/express the org in a way that the companions, and beyond, feel like it is a "Safe Harbor" for them. a place where they Belong. where they are accepted. and where they know that even though we may disagree--and there may be an occasional flipped table--that it's okay. it will not break the ties. we may disagree on some things, but you're still Me and Mine. and we look out for each other.

 

idk if the game is gonna let me do this. the companions may walk off kinda quickly, idk. hard choices and all that, but i hope.


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The new information! This game just sounds better and better and better-- and how we'll be able to develop our Inquisitors! I'm so excited!  :o

 

Also that new trailer for the new IP looks cool too! I'm really hoping it's another RPG. I need all the Bioware RPGs.

 

I made the mistake of reading the comments, though, and now I'm angry and irritated. orz



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I am in love with the "characters asking the Inquisitor why they made their decision and finding out who they are" part.  :wub:  If it is implemented well, it will finally feel like the pc is a part of the game as an actual character instead of just some one watching.



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