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I am in love with the "characters asking the Inquisitor why they made their decision and finding out who they are" part.  :wub:  If it is implemented well, it will finally feel like the pc is a part of the game as an actual character instead of just some one watching.

 

As I've said before elsewhere, Wynne asking the Warden about themselves was probably some of my favourite conversations in Origins, rather than the "Me, me, me" conversations everyone else seemed to have. Aside from a few cases, (Morrigan would ask about your relationship with your mother, Alistair asking about non-human funeral practices and Shale wondering if you came from a superior lineage), no-one really seemed interested in your past or your feelings on things, which irked me since you spend so much time getting to know them or playing therapist?

 

Aveline, Fenris and Varric were also the companions who tended to ask Hawke more personal questions about themselves in DA2, especially Aveline who would independently ask Hawke how they were dealing with their mother's death in Act 2, something no-one else save your love interest does. It's why I can never rival her, because I enjoy Aveline and snarky Hawke's perfect odd-couple too much.

 

I really hope this is a feature and is implimented well, because characters who react to the Inquisitor would really go far to make the roleplaying even more immersive, particularly with the romances. Can you imagine if say, Cullen or Cassandra gets worried about us getting scraped up in a fight with a High Dragon? The feels will be off the charts!

 

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I think there is chance that Cullen will betray Inquisitor. I doubt it'll be easy to get him do that but although Cullen is very loyal, he did go against Meredith in the end of DA2 when he thought she went too far. I don't think Cullen would have grown at all if he still would blindly follow Inquisitor's orders no matter how they go against his morals. I'd think something like killing innocents or making deals with demons etc. could be breaking points for him.



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I think there is chance that Cullen will betray Inquisitor. I doubt it'll be easy to get him do that but although Cullen is very loyal, he did go against Meredith in the end of DA2 when he thought she went too far. I don't think Cullen would have grown at all if he still would blindly follow Inquisitor's orders no matter how they go against his morals. I'd think something like killing innocents or making deals with demons etc. could be breaking points for him.

Well, if we are going to go around turning puppies into sacrificial offerings and burning down every orphanage we come across and just being a complete asshat in general while letting Thedas burn to the ground, then I don't expect him to like our quizzys 's at all. With the betrayel thing though, its a hard one to call since it has been said that the adviser's don't leave the Inquisition when they have had enough of your crap like the companions do. It will be interesting see what happens when November gets here, though I don't plan on playing a jerk so I doubt Cullen wouldn't be loyal to my Quizzy's. I think we are safe as long as we do what is best for Thedas. :)

An OT question, but I was thinking about how it was said that we could wind up at the end of the game (if we try extremely hard) with only one companion remaining. At first I thought that it would be someone extremely loyal to the Inquisition like Cass but today it entered my mind that it could be Cole. If he is as child-like as I'm gathering then maybe he can be convinced that everything the very naughty Inquisitor is doing is for the "greater good". Who does everyone else think could be a possible last remaining companion if everyone got sick of your douche bag ways.

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Bioware loves the 'lost everything, nothing to lose' thing...So I'm thinking Cassandra or Cullen would be the most likely to stick around. 
Blackbeard has Darkspawn, Cole has mages, Sera has...spirit, Solas has Fade, Lelianna has Maker, Josephine has...I dunno, Vivienne has Mage Circle, Dorian has Tevinter...

 

Cullen has no Templars and can be show to be morally ambiguous, and Cassandra has nothing to really fight for currently asides from peace. Iron Bull would probably stick around too. 


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I wonder how hard it will be to convince IB to leave the Qun....

Varric and Cass were my original top two choices for sticking around no matter what. Eh, I really need to get my mind off this game. Every time I get a free minute I'm speculating some thing about DA:I.
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Well, if we are going to go around turning puppies into sacrificial offerings and burning down every orphanage we come across and just being a complete asshat in general while letting Thedas burn to the ground, then I don't expect him to like our quizzys 's at all. With the betrayel thing though, its a hard one to call since it has been said that the adviser's don't leave the Inquisition when they have had enough of your crap like the companions do. It will be interesting see what happens when November gets here, though I don't plan on playing a jerk so I doubt Cullen wouldn't be loyal to my Quizzy's. I think we are safe as long as we do what is best for Thedas. :)

An OT question, but I was thinking about how it was said that we could wind up at the end of the game (if we try extremely hard) with only one companion remaining. At first I thought that it would be someone extremely loyal to the Inquisition like Cass but today it entered my mind that it could be Cole. If he is as child-like as I'm gathering then maybe he can be convinced that everything the very naughty Inquisitor is doing is for the "greater good". Who does everyone else think could be a possible last remaining companion if everyone got sick of your douche bag ways.

 

Yea I don't think Cullen will easily betray our Inquisitor but I seriously hope he's more trusting of his own moral compass this time and opposes Inquisitor who goes against his values, at least verbally if not other ways.

 

I have no idea who would be one that stays with you no matter what from companies. Most of companions have their own goals or ways they want to world to be so I can't think of anyone who would stay no matter what you do.


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Where was it stated in the first place? I thought it was just speculated that he truly left the order all together....clarification would be very, very nice

It is a very good indication, but it doesn't mean that he has 100% left the order and it may be that you can convince him to leave it behind completely. It just means that he's not content with the way that things are going within the order and wants to make a change somehow, someway. Though, I desperately want him to be 100% apart of the Inquisition simply due to trust issues and the like with him.

I think the question immediately after Boom's quote is more telling, especially since it's an "Official" Q and A.

 

[DA]: As a former knight-captain, Cullen is certainly well-trained and experienced. What is his primary area of expertise?

Coming in late, but on the news page before you click the Read More link for the Q&A, the intro to the article also says, "Meet Cullen, the former templar knight-captain, now an advisor to the Inquisition." 

 

So PC Gamer article is wrong.


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I have always thought that in his heart, Cullen is a Templar, and holds to the old ideals of what a Templar stood for. If he thought that he could make a huge difference in the order, to start putting it back to the way it was intended to be, then I can see him returning to it after Inquisition. But I'm also very much on the fence with the mage-templar situation and if Cullen thought he could do good within the order and right its wrongs then my PC would support him in that choice--after all, he would of had her back throughout Inquisition.
 

This is how I see him as well. That eventho he quit/left/whatever, he'll never really stop being a Templar. I've been speculating about the ways in which that might bother him after the fact, given that he's "spent more than half his life in service to the templars." Does it pain him to no longer be part of the 'ideal' Order he used to support? When does that come up for him? What does he miss most? 


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Coming in late, but on the news page before you click the Read More link for the Q&A, the intro to the article also says, "Meet Cullen, the former templar knight-captain, now an advisor to the Inquisition." 

 

So PC Gamer article is wrong.

 

Unless he was promoted to Knight-Captain between games. 



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I think there is chance that Cullen will betray Inquisitor. I doubt it'll be easy to get him do that but although Cullen is very loyal, he did go against Meredith in the end of DA2 when he thought she went too far. I don't think Cullen would have grown at all if he still would blindly follow Inquisitor's orders no matter how they go against his morals. I'd think something like killing innocents or making deals with demons etc. could be breaking points for him.

To be fair, I don't see what Cullen did with Meredith as a betrayal in that sense. I could easily see him doing something like that again with the Inquisitor if he thinks they've done something very wrong and don't listen to reason. Because I think he would stand up for what he thinks is right and tell you to your face that you're wrong. I don't think you'd traipse over to the Wounded Coast and see Cullen amongst a bunch of rabble rousers and find out that way that he'd shopped you in for 'the greater good.' Dunno, after what he's gone through, just seem to me that he'd want to play those cards more openly these days.


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Well, if we are going to go around turning puppies into sacrificial offerings and burning down every orphanage we come across and just being a complete asshat in general while letting Thedas burn to the ground, then I don't expect him to like our quizzys 's at all. With the betrayel thing though, its a hard one to call since it has been said that the adviser's don't leave the Inquisition when they have had enough of your crap like the companions do. It will be interesting see what happens when November gets here, though I don't plan on playing a jerk so I doubt Cullen wouldn't be loyal to my Quizzy's. I think we are safe as long as we do what is best for Thedas. :)

An OT question, but I was thinking about how it was said that we could wind up at the end of the game (if we try extremely hard) with only one companion remaining. At first I thought that it would be someone extremely loyal to the Inquisition like Cass but today it entered my mind that it could be Cole. If he is as child-like as I'm gathering then maybe he can be convinced that everything the very naughty Inquisitor is doing is for the "greater good". Who does everyone else think could be a possible last remaining companion if everyone got sick of your douche bag ways.

 

I don't think it would be Cole, just because it's been mentioned that we can bypass him entirely. If we wanted to try and figure out which of the 9 would be the one to stick with us despite all of our uh. Bad decisions (an understatement, I'm sure), I think we should figure out who our "core" is. Like, I'm sure that there should be at least 3 companions that we pick up in the critical path of the game and therefore can't accidentally miss, right? (Turning or chasing them away is a different matter here.) And it would make sense if it was one companion of each class. 

 

I'm drawing on hazy memories of ME1 on this assumption about the "core" group here, because if I recall correctly, the game is structured so that even if you turn away some squadmates, you're always left with at least one tech, one biotic, and one soldier (Virmire nonwithstanding), which is Tali, Liara and Kaidan and/or Ashley. You cannot go along the critical path of the game without them-- Liara is found on Therum, you can only kill one of the VS's and can't get rid of the other one in any other way, and I think Udina or Anderson or someone insists on you taking Tali with you anyway, even if you say no. 

 

So I'm putting my money on Cassandra and Varric, because that's our warrior and rogue, respectively. Cassandra, because she's kinda obvious, what with the whole holding a blade up to our throats and "The only danger I see here is you", and Varric, just because last we saw, he was with Cassandra. It can't be Cole, because they've mentioned that we can bypass and/or turn him away entirely (for those players who are all like, "Rah! Demons! Hell no!"), which only leaves Sera. Of course, that also doesn't put her out of the running.

 

So the only slot we'd be unsure of is our "core" mage. In this case... I'm actually going to put my money on Solas over Vivienne and Dorian. Vivienne invites us to a ball, but there's a chance that this might not be a part of the critical path, right? It could be a quest that we can ignore completely (although why you would I dunno, because an Orlesian ball sounds fabulous), or it could be something that never happens at all because she only extends her invitation if you gain enough importance and influence (a possibility I've seen thrown around the forums a few times). And Dorian... well. I dunno. I'm going with my gut here. :S 

 

As for why I think Solas would be our "core" mage, well, it's a game that has a large part of it predicated on our PC's trying to fix the great big Fade breach in the sky spitting out demons and spirits and the like, and we're the only ones who are actively doing anything to fix that. I think Solas comes to us, and whether your Inquisitor agrees with his ideology or no, doubtless there's going to be someone (Cassandra? Your advisors?) who would object to you turning him away and not making use of his unique expertise. In which case, I mean that if you, the Inquisitor, won't allow him to join and help, one of your advisors or Cassandra will step in and take him in in any case.

 

Well. All that, and Solas sounds like "Solus", as in Mordin Solus, who was also written by Patrick Weekes, and you can't get through ME2 without Mordin. ;) Am I projecting some unresolved Mordin-death issues here? Probably. :crying:

 

As for who our "one" companion left at the end might be... hmm. My money is on Cassandra. Although, I do have a tiny theory that maybe all of your companions can die depending on your decisions, but the game has been designed so that you'd always be left with at least one no matter what. Which renders all of my blathering about having a "core" of three moot. ;)


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Unless he was promoted to Knight-Captain between games. 

Um, not sure I'm following this logic... he was already Knight-Captain in Act 3...? Perhaps you mean instead that he's been promoted to Knight-Commander in between games? That could be... but him still being a templar doesn't follow with the other words that say "serving the Inquisition instead of the Order" and "former templar knight-captain, now an advisor to the Inquisition". Technically could be true... but I think that's a preeeety big stretch given the various ways it's described in the Q&A.


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Um, not sure I'm following this logic... he was already Knight-Captain in Act 3...? Perhaps you mean instead that he's been promoted to Knight-Commander in between games? That could be... but doesn't follow with the other words that say "serving the Inquisition instead of the Order" and "former templar knight-captain, now advisor to the Inquisition". Technically could be true... but I think that's a preeeety big stretch given the various ways it's described in the Q&A.

Oops, that was a typo on my part. Yes, I meant Knight-Commander. That's what I get for staying up late into the night.  :blush:


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This is how I see him as well. That eventho he quit/left/whatever, he'll never really stop being a Templar. I've been speculating about the ways in which that might bother him after the fact, given that he's "spent more than half his life in service to the templars." Does it pain him to no longer be part of the 'ideal' Order he used to support? When does that come up for him? What does he miss most?


I couldn't imagine it not being something that pains him. He was so dedicated to it, he truly believed in the order for as long as we have known his character. In my opinion, if you spent more than half your life believing so strongly in something only to finally see that it is nothing you thought it had been and to have it all come crashing down around you--that would be absolutely heart breaking.

In his blurb or Q&A, it was said that this is something he is starting to come to terms with so I'm hoping we are going to have ample opportunity to talk this other with him as it doesn't look like something that he is completly over. Just talking to him about how he perceived the order to be and what he thought he was achieving by being part of it will shed so much light on who he is as a man and not a Templar. I'm kind of getting giddy just thinking about have these conversation's with him. ^_^
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Maybe he still likes being called Knight Captain Cullen? It's got a better ring to it than General Cullen.

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Oops, that was a typo on my part. Yes, I meant Knight-Commander. That's what I get for staying up late into the night.  :blush:

LOL I figured! 

 

But also... the fact still remains that the PC gamer article is wrong by calling him a Knight Captain, because it's clearly stated officially he's a former knight-captain. So. Another typo. ^_^



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LOL I figured! 

 

But also... the fact still remains that the PC gamer article is wrong by calling him a Knight Captain, because it's clearly stated officially he's a former knight-captain. So. Another typo. ^_^

Well, these are the people who confused Sera and Josephine. :P

 

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Maybe he still likes being called Knight Captain Cullen? It's got a better ring to it than General Cullen.

*snerk* yup. My brain went there...

 

<snipping unwise bedroom banter I started to write... *snort* "Call me knight-captain" indeed> 


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Well, these are the people who confused Sera and Josephine. :P

 

 

Exactly. That's my point. Unwise to believe gaming "journalists" these days, even if they weren't already directly contradicted by official sources.



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Whilst on the subject of the final battle, I wonder how our advisors will play a part in that?

 

I mean, will they be on the battlefield as npcs fighting along side us? Or will it be a little like Mass Effect in that they'll be there with their respective troops/assassins/contacts prepping them (like Wrex with his men) but we don't ever actually see them in battle and instead (like DA:O) their troops/agents/contacts can be called into battle to help? Or maybe it'll be a little mixture of everything and throughout the final battle as we fight our way through to get to the big bad/veil tear we encounter each of them one by one in the field with their respective groups, along with any companions we didn't take into battle with us with their respective groups/together? Or maybe we'll just see cutscenes of them fighting and ordering their individual groups around as we push our way through each "segment" of the battle?



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Well, these are the people who confused Sera and Josephine. :P
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Good lord, did they only do half the research for this article? :P

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I couldn't imagine it not being something that pains him. He was so dedicated to it, he truly believed in the order for as long as we have known his character. In my opinion, if you spent more than half your life believing so strongly in something only to finally see that it is nothing you thought it had been and to have it all come crashing down around you--that would be absolutely heart breaking.

In his blurb or Q&A, it was said that this is something he is starting to come to terms with so I'm hoping we are going to have ample opportunity to talk this other with him as it doesn't look like something that he is completly over. Just talking to him about how he perceived the order to be and what he thought he was achieving by being part of it will shed so much light on who he is as a man and not a Templar. I'm kind of getting giddy just thinking about have these conversation's with him. ^_^

 

I think he'll likely come to terms with it once he sees that the Inquisition is accomplishing it's goals because (in theory) it'll make him see that leaving the Order was definitely the right thing to do, especially if your Inquisitor accomplishes these goals without being ruthless or corrupted by the power she/he commands (in terms of being the top dog), he could reason with himself that the Maker wanted him to go through all those trials because he had bigger plans for him and needed him ready for this catastrophic event. Double that if you romance him because not only would he feel like these were the Makers plans for him, but in the process he found a little love and happiness along the way. Win-win!


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Good lord, did they only do half the research for this article? :P

 

I doubt they done any research at all. That sort of thing really gets on my t!ts.


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Well, these are the people who confused Sera and Josephine. :P

 

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Just to be devil's advocate, but this screw up would be on the head of the graphic designer who put the magazine pages together, not the author who wrote the content of the article. So the mix up likely would have been made by someone who hasn't been following the game and doesn't know the characters in the first place; either the layout notes they were working from weren't clear or they simply ballsed it up.  :lol:


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