Just going from this site, he looks to me to be about 36.
He's definitely not meant to be 36. Late 20's to early 30's, I'd say 34 at a push according to the dev in question. That being said, I find it really hard to guess some peoples ages, a lot of the time I'll assume someone is older and then it turns out they're the same age as me and my mind gets blown, LOL! But I tend to forget that I don't look or act my age, which is where I throw myself off, lol.
Exactly this, I wouldn't call him a coward - just someone who got too caught up in the 'glory' of being a Warden, without actually thinking about what it means. So I would say he was a bit on the stupid side sure, but not a coward. Not brave either, mind you - just an average guy lacking the foresight to realize what he was getting into.
He abandoned his pregnant wife to be a hero then chickened out when it came time to be a real wo/man...
He left his wife temporarily to go fight in a war that could endanger her, much like a lot of men there did, I imagine. And would have done, anyway, if the King had waited for the reinforcements from Redcliffe. He 'chickened out' when he was told to drink the poisonous blood of monsters and hope for the best.
It did seem like he didn't understand the Grey Wardens and the like at all, though.
I'm not about to call myself a fan, mind, and I don't think anyone should be a fan if they disagree with him, but I don't like seeing his character hand waved as something it's not. That goes for any character, though. 
He left his wife temporarily to go fight in a war that could endanger her, much like a lot of men there did, I imagine. And would have done, anyway, if the King had waited for the reinforcements from Redcliffe. He 'chickened out' when he was told to drink the poisonous blood of monsters and hope for the best.
I'm not about to call myself a fan, mind, I just don't like seeing his character hand waved as something it's not.
I'd have to disagree. He was whining nearly the entire time in the Kocari Wilds. So I wasn't all that surprised he refused the ritual. If he was so concerned about his pregnant wife, why did he leave her in the first place? Staying to defend her would have made more sense, but he wanted to run off and play at being a hero.
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I thought Alistair is supposed to be about 20/21 in DA:O?
Anyway, I think people found Cullen's crush on the female mage to be creepy also (in part) due to his character model looking old as balls, lol! DA2 Cullen definitely looks like he's in his mid to late 20's, but his new model I can't really put a physical age on because he looks different in every bloody shot, LOL!
Mind you, Cole's VO is 28 and he looks older, but he sounds WAY younger.
Haha, yes - it was a bit weird seeing this guy who looked about 35 shyly stuttering over my probably-about-18 mage. Though i did figure from his dialogue that he was new to this whole being a Templar business, so I placed him at about 20 because of that. There were also people who interpreted his "I will do my duty" speech as him being proud of being chosen to slay our character should their Harrowing fail, which I didn't get from his tone at all. To me, it sounded more like he was trying to convince us and himself what he was doing was right, even if he didn't quite believe it himself. Like a dutiful soldier talking himself up to do something he was ordered to do, even though he found it difficult or distasteful.
He's definitely not meant to be 36. Late 20's to early 30's, I'd say 34 at a push according to the dev in question. That being said, I find it really hard to guess some peoples ages, a lot of the time I'll assume someone is older and then it turns out they're the same age as me and my mind gets blown, LOL! But I tend to forget that I don't look or act my age, which is where I throw myself off, lol.
I say 36 cause I have a lot of male friends that age and they have those same lines on their face while still being handsome, like a more mature version of the people I knew 10-15 years ago. EDIT: I know you're saying he isn't that age; I just mean that's what he "looks" like in those pics.
I'm not about to call myself a fan, mind, and I don't think anyone should be a fan if they disagree with him, but I don't like seeing his character hand waved as something it's not. That goes for any character, though.
Not hand-waving really, just more like disagreeing about his character, no biggie 
I'd have to disagree. He was whining nearly the entire time in the Kocari Wilds. So I wasn't all that surprised he refused the ritual. If he was so concerned about his pregnant wife, why did he leave her in the first place? Staying to defend her would have made more sense, but he wanted to run off and play at being a hero.
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Oh, I have my problems with him, but I can't call someone a coward for not wanting to drink the poisonous blood of monsters. I guess because I know I would probably react like Jory did if someone told me to do that. So... I guess I'd be the one getting gutted with the dagger. 
Haha, yes - it was a bit weird seeing this guy who looked about 35 shyly stuttering over my probably-about-18 mage. Though i did figure from his dialogue that he was new to this whole being a Templar business, so I placed him at about 20 because of that. There were also people who interpreted his "I will do my duty" speech as him being proud of being chosen to slay our character should their Harrowing fail, which I didn't get from his tone at all. To me, it sounded more like he was trying to convince us and himself what he was doing was right, even if he didn't quite believe it himself. Like a dutiful soldier talking himself up to do something he was ordered to do, even though he found it difficult or distasteful.
Agreed! His voice sounded very young and inexperienced and, like you said, he made it clear that he was new to "all this" so I figured he was supposed to be a lot younger than his model depicted. He's actually the only character who's physical appearance I mod in DA:O, generally I prefer to keep them all looking as they're supposed to but since we know Cullen was supposed to be younger than he looked and because he looks young in DA2 I use a mod that keeps his face the same but changes the skin texture to someone in their late teens/early 20's so that he looks age appropriate lol.
If he was so concerned about his pregnant wife, why did he leave her in the first place?
I think that is what really gets me. Although maybe in his defense she had massive support while he was gone, like she was related to the whole village or something lol
So... I guess I'd be the one getting gutted with the dagger.
Oh yeah, me, too "Are you out of your frickin' mind?!?!" *Duncan STAB!*
Agreed! His voice sounded very young and inexperienced and, like you said, he made it clear that he was new to "all this" so I figured he was supposed to be a lot younger than his model depicted. He's actually the only character who's physical appearance I mod in DA:O, generally I prefer to keep them all looking as they're supposed to but since we know Cullen was supposed to be younger than he looked and because he looks young in DA2 I use a mod that keeps his face the same but changes the skin texture to someone in their late teens/early 20's so that he looks age appropriate lol.
A few characters had the reverse problem of Cullen. There's a couple of characters that talk about knowing you since you were a baby/small and helping care for you and it's like "you look like you're my age, though."
Random thought inspired by DA:O re-play:
You know a little 'cameo' I wouldn't mind in DAI? Running into Ser Jory's wife and child. >:
I would love to see that. Is it weird that I always picture Helena as being just as smoking hot as Jory described her being, so you'd kind of wonder how she ended up with him? She's probably not, but it'd be a real shock to discover if she really was a contender for the title of Miss Thedas 9:30 Dragon.
Or... they could be utterly cruel and pull a "Jono" from Mass Effect on us, where we're around to discover his mother dying on the Alarei and find his father dying on Rannoch. How cruel would it be to discover that Jory's wife and child lived in Crestwood, if we abandoned it?
I admit my eyes are getting old, though the reason I remembered the charges on those shields was my first reaction was "well, there's the Scottish royal lion." But I went and read the text for the shield description, and it does say two dogs (though it doesn't actually say mabari) supporting a crown. Interesting.
Yeah, it took me a while (and a trip to the wiki) to see what they were as well, as they do look a lot like the stylised lions on the Royal Arms, which I guess was intentional, since Ferelden is supposed to be a stand in for medieval England.
Is that a sensitive subject among Alistair fans?
I never got the fury about this, what's wrong with Fiona being his mother among some Alistair fans?
Oh, I have my problems with him, but I can't call someone a coward for not wanting to drink the poisonous blood of monsters. I guess because I know I would probably react like Jory did if someone told me to do that. So... I guess I'd be the one getting gutted with the dagger.
Yeah, I'm not defending his character either - I think calling him a 'coward' is too simple however. Though I dislike him, I do think he was a great example of 'the common soldier,' and was used to illustrate the difference between a common, if talented (remember he did win that tournament, so we can assume he was an excellent fighter), soldier and a Grey Warden - and why it's such a special thing that not everyone is cut for.
I never got the fury about this, what's wrong with Fiona being his mother among some Alistair fans?
I guess because it makes Alistair a liar? That's some of the anger I've seen, anyway, though I never understood it, either. Alistair was just going off of the story he was personally told. He can't help it if no one told him he was the son of an elven mage.
A few characters had the reverse problem of Cullen. There's a couple of characters that talk about knowing you since you were a baby/small and helping care for you and it's like "you look like you're my age, though."
LOL, I guess not as much thought goes into the npcs!
Still, in DAI all our companions and advisors look age appropriate especially since they're all experts in their field. Sera looks the youngest but she's an Elf and they're supposed to age spectacularly well, plus she's more "under ground" leadership than "I control a huge army after rising through the system" like Cullen and Cassandra so she could quite easily be a fair bit younger, Cole looks young for obvious reasons but he's not actually a leader of anything, Josie also looks quite young, but not so young that it would be unbelievable for her to be pulling strings in influential circles.
... I think the only one that's going to look a bit out of place for her title in terms of physical age will be my me!Inquisitor, but if I do end up playing as an Elf then I can just hand wave it as Elven genetics LOL!
I guess because it makes Alistair a liar? That's some of the anger I've seen, anyway, though I never understood it, either. Alistair was just going off of the story he was personally told. He can't help it if no one told him he was the son of an elven mage.
People think that makes him a liar? Some people are strange, the poor boy was just going off what he'd been told. He had no reason to believe otherwise. Personally, I always liked the idea of Fiona being his mother, lol.
I guess because it makes Alistair a liar? That's some of the anger I've seen, anyway, though I never understood it, either. Alistair was just going off of the story he was personally told. He can't help it if no one told him he was the son of an elven mage.
Right? I never understood why people assume that Eamon, who kept the truth about Alistair secret from his own wife, would have told Alistair - who was only a child when Eamon last had contact with him. That's not the sort of secret you trust a child to keep.
A few characters had the reverse problem of Cullen. There's a couple of characters that talk about knowing you since you were a baby/small and helping care for you and it's like "you look like you're my age, though."
Thedas seems to breed hot grandma's. ie: Marethari or Hawke's mom
LOL, I guess not as much thought goes into the npcs!
Still, in DAI all our companions and advisors look age appropriate especially since they're all experts in their field. Sera looks the youngest but she's an Elf and they're supposed to age spectacularly well, plus she's more "under ground" leadership than "I control a huge army after rising through the system" like Cullen and Cassandra so she could quite easily be a fair bit younger, Cole looks young for obvious reasons but he's not actually a leader of anything, Josie also looks quite young, but not so young that it would be unbelievable for her to be pulling strings in influential circles.
... I think the only one that's going to look a bit out of place for her title in terms of physical age will be my me!Inquisitor, but if I do end up playing as an Elf then I can just hand wave it as Elven genetics LOL!
I hope our Inquisitors aren't said to be TOO skilled/aren't treated like they've lead a whole lot before, because my plans for my male human rogue involve him being young, over privileged, and not thinking about the bad situations others have had to face unless it's right in front of him. Plenty of room to grow if that works out how I envision it!
And I still need to think up personalities for the others. I think I have a mage idea brewing that'll involve an irritable little sod that line faces at all of the bullsh!t.
Hi there!!!!How goes it everyone? Long time no see...
Right? I never understood why people assume that Eamon, who kept the truth about Alistair secret from his own wife, would have told Alistair - who was only a child when Eamon last had contact with him. That's not the sort of secret you trust a child to keep.
And Eamon would have had even less reason to mention it later since he was putting him forward for the throne (neither elf nor mage as a parent would exactly have improved Alistair's chances, considering attitudes toward those).
Thedas seems to breed hot grandma's. ie: Marethari or Hawke's mom
In DA2, I felt like everyone looked between 20 and 30. It was weird. Origins was better but... yeah... When Wynne would go on and on about her age as if she was supposed to be this decrepit old woman it was always a little weird since she looked about 50. And I always got the impression that Greagoir and Irving were supposed to be the same age... which made finding Greagoir kind of hot slightly awkward
Given that the Grey Wardens aren't exactly forthcoming about whether or not you'd come home again and if/how your family would be supported in return for your service, I find leaving said family a bit... selfish. I can understand joining a job to support a family but if Jory didn't know that he couldn't go home again and knew he would want to, why leave at all? If he did know he'd never go home again, then he can't start blubbering about his wife and kid when he gets in up to his eyeballs. I always found his case to be strange. Was he conscripted? I forget... but if not and he joined voluntarily, I have to side-eye him for his choice. All he knew about the Wardens seemed to be the tales of valor and glory. While those may be true, NOT getting any answers about what would happen to his family or if he would see them again should have kept him from going - I know it would me, unless I had no other option and a guarantee of them being taken care of.... but I'd do everything else to support them before doing something like joining the Grey Wardens . In my mind at least. I do think he was a regular guy who just got in over his head. But that isn't an excuse. Instead it smacks of poor judgment and a somewhat self-centered thinking process. Once Duncan took the knife out, though... If I were Jory, I'd be like "Gimme dat cup!" Death or take a chance. If he survived, he might have someday been able to at least get back home again. Maybe. I mean look what happened with Alistair's "sister" and Anders. I dunno... I'd just... not forsake what options I do have to see my family again. But that's me. 
People think that makes him a liar? Some people are strange, the poor boy was just going off what he'd been told. He had no reason to believe otherwise. Personally, I always liked the idea of Fiona being his mother, lol.
No, because it throws out the information we learned in the game. That's the BIG problem I have with The Calling in general. But I don't want to start a massive debate because it seems that people are more than willing to accept this. So we'll just move on, OK?
Given that the Grey Wardens aren't exactly forthcoming about whether or not you'd come home again and if/how your family would be supported in return for your service, I find leaving said family a bit... selfish. I can understand joining a job to support a family but if Jory didn't know that he couldn't go home again and knew he would want to, why leave at all? If he did know he'd never go home again, then he can't start blubbering about his wife and kid when he gets in up to his eyeballs. I always found his case to be strange. Was he conscripted? I forget... but if not and he joined voluntarily, I have to side-eye him for his choice. All he knew about the Wardens seemed to be the tales of valor and glory. While those may be true, NOT getting any answers about what would happen to his family or if he would see them again should have kept him from going - I know it would me, unless I had no other option and a guarantee of them being taken care of.... but I'd do everything else to support them before doing something like joining the Grey Wardens . In my mind at least. I do think he was a regular guy who just got in over his head. But that isn't an excuse. Instead it smacks of poor judgment and a somewhat self-centered thinking process. Once Duncan took the knife out, though... If I were Jory, I'd be like "Gimme dat cup!" Death or take a chance. If he survived, he might have someday been able to at least get back home again. Maybe. I mean look what happened with Alistair's "sister" and Anders. I dunno... I'd just... not forsake what options I do have to see my family again. But that's me.
I just played through his dialogue. He had absolutely no idea he couldn't go home again. He expected to return to her as soon as the blight was defeated. I guess he treated it like he treated being in Arl Eamon's army? Except more fancy because the Grey Wardens are all special and stuff.
Edited 'cause I don't want to argue over Jory of all characters, and I think I'm just failing at wording what I mean. orz
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