No, because it throws out the information we learned in the game. That's the BIG problem I have with The Calling in general. But I don't want to start a massive debate because it seems that people are more than willing to accept this. So we'll just move on, OK?
Not to make a debate out of this, but... would you be okay with it if they reveal and explain it within the game? It's been hinted that we'll learn more in DAI.
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No, because it throws out the information we learned in the game. That's the BIG problem I have with The Calling in general. But I don't want to start a massive debate because it seems that people are more than willing to accept this. So we'll just move on, OK?
Don't want to start a debate about this either but - to be fair, as the stories of Dragon Age have progressed, A LOT has gotten thrown out (timeline stuff, certain characters dying, epilogues being dismissed as 'rumor' and so forth) in favor of the story moving in the direction the writers want. While this trend can certainly be annoying, I've sort of learned to roll with it at this point. And of all the examples of this, the conflict over Alistair's perceived parentage is one of the easier ones for me to swallow, personally 
Whatever I say at this point will bring down someone's wrath since I've already been down this path. But feel free to continue amongst yourselves.
I just played through his dialogue. He had absolutely no idea he couldn't go home again. He expected to return to her as soon as the blight was defeated. I always saw it as a case of him just seeing it as an order of soldiers/knights, and treating it the same way as being in Arl Eamon's army.
It's why I don't personally rage about him leaving his wife. Soldiers get trialled as deserters if they don't go to war, and I imagine all the soldiers there had families also. I have other problems with Jory, mind! But I didn't see his mentality being beyond that of a normal soldier's, and I always imagined the families of soldiers get looked after.
I can understand seeing it that way. My problem is that he didn't get those answers before leaving. The King's army is pretty clear about their mandates, whereas the Wardens are not. I also don't know if Jory thought the Wardens would offer support for his family in payment for his service. If he left without knowing his family would be provided for, I'd have to wonder why he chose to go at all. At least he would know the King's army pays enough to support a family and the soldier mentality would make sense. If he thought they'd be taken care of AND believed he could go home again, then I would agree with your point about him being a regular person who just got in too deep. Since I'm unclear as to whether or not he knew his family would be provided for, and I'm unclear whether or not he assumed he could go home again or was lied to, as a parent I have to ask how he could have gone? If it were me, I'd flat out ask Duncan if I could go home again and if he doesn't give me an answer, I'm gone. He'd have to conscript me at that point. And I'd do whatever I needed - probably crow over Duncan's death too for keeping me against my will - to get by until I had an opportunity to get home again. Since, as a player, I know what the Wardens do; I just wouldn't even volunteer. It may sound selfish but at that point, most Fereldans didn't really believe the threat the Darkspawn posed. If I were in Jory's shoes, and I didn't really "get" the reality of the Blight, I'd have stayed home. If I did believe in the severity of the Blight, I'd put myself to the task as best I could to survive and be victorious so my family lived. I guess for me, Jory should have either not made the choice to go because he had no real reason to do so or he had all the reason to embrace the role - monster blood and all. Even soldiers in the King's army don't get to decide to just up and leave when the tide comes in.
Whatever I say at this point will bring down someone's wrath since I've already been down this path. But feel free to continue amongst yourselves.
Ah, sorry. I was just wondering if it would change anything for you if it was mentioned and explained in DAI.
I personally have nothing against information I believed was one way being proven wrong and revealed to be different, because I see that as learning more rather than retconning. It's also a way to set up unexpected story reveals, and make the reader feel the same way the characters do. At least when it comes to books. *scratches chin*
I can understand seeing it that way.
Oh, I'm not saying what he did was right! Just that I can understand his point of view to an extent? Even if it was careless. Admittedly I'm not a parent, though, so... I don't have that kind of experience under my belt. I didn't think about it TOO deeply, either, I have to admit, just that I don't think backing out of drinking poisonous blood is what I would consider 'cowardly'.
I'm a bit worried that my Quizzy won't have much character development, to be honest. I blame the last AWR video, and that she's using a lower, stronger and more mature voice than I expected. So I heard the samples, and they made me feel like Quizzy was born to rule the worldI hope our Inquisitors aren't said to be TOO skilled/aren't treated like they've lead a whole lot before, because my plans for my male human rogue involve him being young, over privileged, and not thinking about the bad situations others have had to face unless it's right in front of him. Plenty of room to grow if that works out how I envision it!
And I still need to think up personalities for the others. I think I have a mage idea brewing that'll involve an irritable little sod that line faces at all of the bullsh!t.
And that's not how I imagined her. I wonder if the other voice will be just as low? Ah, the downsides of having a voiced protagonist. And awkward. Like a lost mabari puppy. It suited his character well back then. I don't think he looked too old. He just didn't look super-hot-underwear-model perfect ![=]](https://lvlt.forum.bioware.com/public/style_emoticons/default/sideways.png)
And it was great. Funny how Cullen's design is changing to reflect the inner change in him. Now he's a lion.
Oh, I'm not saying what he did was right! Just that I can understand his point of view to an extent? Even if it was careless. Admittedly I'm not a parent, though, so... I don't have that kind of experience under my belt. I didn't think about it TOO deeply, either, I have to admit, just that I don't think backing out of drinking poisonous blood is what I would consider 'cowardly'.
True. What soldier would expect being asked to drink a cup of blood - and monster's blood at that? So his reaction, may not have been cowardly, per se... Most Fereldans were, at least, aware that Darkspawn exposure can lead to the Taint sickness which is a death sentence on its own. A better explanation from Duncan might have helped. (Hence why I can't completely 100% condemn Loghain for distrusting the Wardens...) Maybe if Jory had a moment to consider his situation he would have taken it? I guess that's an answer we'll never have.
Edited for grammar fail... Ugh... I know better than that. Twists ears like Dobby does.
True. What soldier would expect being asked to drink a cup of blood - and monster's blood at that? So his reaction, may not have been cowardly, per se... Most Fereldans were, at least, aware that Darkspawn exposure can lead to the Taint sickness which is a death sentence on its own. A better explanation from Duncan might have helped. (Hence why I can't completely 100% condemn Loghain for distrusting the Wardens...) Maybe if Jory had a moment to consider his situation he would have taken it? I guess that's an answer we'll never have.
Edited for grammar fail... Ugh... I know better than that. Twists ears like Dobby does.
Something I do look forward to is learning more about the Grey Wardens from Blackwall, including what he might disagree with. While I like the Grey Wardens and their lore, there's definitely a lot of grey there and... some stuff that is pretty brutal and questionable.
I'm a bit worried that my Quizzy won't have much character development, to be honest. I blame the last AWR video, and that she's using a lower, stronger and more mature voice than I expected. So I heard the samples, and they made me feel like Quizzy was born to rule the world
Re: Cullen's age. Apparently I'm in the minority, who loved his look in DAO. The square face, and that long pointy nose. He just looked so adorable
I still think she sounds fairly young... Also, I think the examples we heard in the latest video - that one line, and as our qunari mage - were as the 'direct/aggressive' version. If you watch the spit-takes one her 'incredulous surprise' voice is a bit higher 
. So i think funny/diplomatic Alix will sound a bit different - more like what we heard in the E3 trailer.
I've only heard Sumalee in ME3, and couple examples i found on Youtube, but if anything I think she will have a deeper voice that will sound more mature as opposed to less (which is why I really want to hear her in game).
I'm a bit worried that my Quizzy won't have much character development, to be honest. I blame the last AWR video, and that she's using a lower, stronger and more mature voice than I expected. So I heard the samples, and they made me feel like Quizzy was born to rule the world
Re: Cullen's age. Apparently I'm in the minority, who loved his look in DAO. The square face, and that long pointy nose. He just looked so adorable
Yeah, that's what I worry about. Even veteran leaders can develop, of course, but I don't really have any ideas for that kind of development or how I would work it into a character. I suppose I should figure out a couple of characters who know what they're doing and how they can still grow from the experience, just in case.
Yeah, that's what I worry about. Even veteran leaders can develop, of course, but I don't really have any ideas for that kind of development or how I would work it into a character. I suppose I should figure out a couple of characters who know what they're doing and how they can still grow from the experience, just in case.
Well... you could always use the tonal variations to you advantage here - start off with a snarky character who tries to joke or charm their way out of being serious about the task at hand, and then switch to a more diplomatic (and mature) tone, or the more direct (and commanding) responses. Or you could just chalk it up to false bravado that becomes genuine as the game progresses - a fake it 'til you make it situation. Not sure if that helps at all
Well... you could always use the tonal variations to you advantage here - start off with a snarky character who tries to joke or charm their way out of being serious about the task at hand, and then switch to a more diplomatic (and mature) tone, or the more direct (and commanding) responses. Or you could just chalk it up to false bravado that becomes genuine as the game progresses - a fake it 'til you make it situation. Not sure if that helps at all
Yeah, that would be a good solution for one character!
I think what I have planned for my male rogue will work perfectly with our British male voice. And... my female will be based off of Asami Sato from the Legend of Korra, and I think the voices on offer will work well with that. XD;
It's more the story our Inquisitor will be given I'm considering. I'll be able to make a character that works no matter what it is, of course! I just personally hope the Inquisitor is as 'normal' as possible before the fade hand business. I guess because I don't want the Inquisitor to seem too ultra special before they fall into the Fade.
My suspicion is that Jory signed up simply for the glory of being a legendary Grey Warden and hero, but the reality was too hard for him to accept, as was some of the terms and conditions that come with wearing the uniform and being invited to the parties.
Duncan probably gave him a few chances to back out in Highever, but Jory simply ignored it and Duncan was so hard pressed for recruits that he couldn't refuse a willing volunteer, even if he was ill-suited for the life. From "The Calling" we are supposed to infer that Duncan chose Daveth because he reminded him of himself at that age, except that Daveth was fine with being a Warden whereas Duncan initially tried to run away... so it's possible that he thought Ser Jory might rise to the occasion and mature into the role and become a great Warden, much like he did?
Plus we get to see this from Duncan's shoes in Awakening, when we're forced to recruit people because we literally have no-one else left. Oghren's a drunk, but we know he's a great fighter and Sigrun already accepted a way of life that involves dying in the Deep Roads, so they'd make decent enough Wardens. Nathaniel is a strange choice as he initially thinks of it as a punishment, but he can find a sense of purpose in the life, if he embraced it.
On the other hand, you have Anders and Velanna, who are absolutely terrible candidates, since the former just wants to escape the CIrcle and the other just wants revenge. Anders and Velanna are the "Jory's" of Awakening, even if they don't back down from the Joining Ritual. After all is said and done, Anders runs away the first chance he gets, while Velanna is implied to leave either due to resenting the Warden for killing her sister, or leaves to join her.
At the end of the day, Duncan took who he could get, just like we did.
Regarding Fiona being Alistair's mother, I have no clue why people think that makes him a liar, since he still believes that his real mother was serving girl that Maric knocked up. Nor does it make him a hypocrite for being unable to break up with non-human Warden, as he has no clue that he's half-human himself.
I hope our Inquisitors aren't said to be TOO skilled/aren't treated like they've lead a whole lot before, because my plans for my male human rogue involve him being young, over privileged, and not thinking about the bad situations others have had to face unless it's right in front of him. Plenty of room to grow if that works out how I envision it!
And I still need to think up personalities for the others. I think I have a mage idea brewing that'll involve an irritable little sod that line faces at all of the bullsh!t.
I hope so too! I also hope that the Inquisitor voice options don't always sound commanding and strong since I'm hoping their voices will soften when they're just having normal conversations or displaying weakness etc, I don't wanna be BAMF 24/7, lol.
No, because it throws out the information we learned in the game. That's the BIG problem I have with The Calling in general. But I don't want to start a massive debate because it seems that people are more than willing to accept this. So we'll just move on, OK?
Wasn't the Calling out before the game shipped though? Thus, if we'd read the books before playing then we'd have some small idea that Alistair was Fiona's son. But anyway, as you said, let's drop it.
I hope so too! I also hope that the Inquisitor voice options don't always sound commanding and strong since I'm hoping their voices will soften when they're just having normal conversations or displaying weakness etc, I don't wanna be BAMF 24/7, lol.
I definitely have hope the voices will soften and have different nuances and the like. I like to think the strength our lovely British Lady Inquisitor was talking about wasn't so much 'she is a BAMF 24/7', but that she has the strength to continue on, even when at her lowest. That kind of strength I have nothing against, and I would argue is needed for any protagonist. I don't expect the Inquisitor to power through everything, though!
We have that glorious reaction wheel after all~
Lmao! These are hilarious! I love that IB is the one borrowing people's clothing. And Cullen... ha! Ya, you can *fill me in* later. Hur hur... *shameless*
@Fialka, yes, I hope AWR has less badass lines. Because I want my Quizzy to be silly at least 70% of the time Someone has to be silly in that team of super heroic heroes. One Sera is not enough.
@Fialka, yes, I hope AWL has less badass lines.
@Fialka, yes, I hope AWL has less badass lines.
It would be a shame if she doesn't, she does silliness so well!
I can't recall, do the authors of Champions and Heroes allow us to post them on here or not?
The latest one featuring Cullen got me thinking I'd support that for the next game...
It would be a shame if she doesn't, she does silliness so well!
Remember the spit take vid? I'm expecting silly!
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