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[SamaraDraven]

Something like what the Dwarves sing in The Hobbit, that still gives me chills even now!

 

I was soooo thinking that! And looking for a video! Dammit! I got 'd so hard! 

[Hellion Rex]

I was soooo thinking that! And looking for a video! Dammit! I got 'd so hard! 

[Xilizhra]

I've always found Cassandra to be a lot like Cullen, tbh so I couldn't say. I'm waiting for DA:I to finalize opinions, but Cass struck me to be like a female Cullen that the devs created to see if the character truly was a problem. Kind of like seeing if Cullen's biggest dissenters would love the character if it was female, thus proving the theory of sexism surrounding Cullen. That's not true in your case Xil, as you actually articulate good reasons and discussion for your opinions.

 

So, at the end of the day, I see little difference in their personalities. They're both devout and serve the institution of the Chantry in some capacity. They both can be pretty hostile in doing their duties. Cullen kneed Wilmod in the groin and Cass came perilously close to pinning Varrics family jewels to Hawke's journal. They both have seemed to have feelings for a mage and often they both feel they have a duty to perform even when they don't always agree with it. They don't trust mages. Cullen feels mages should be protected (even from themselves). I don't know what Cassandra believes on that but she doesn't seem to trust them either, though her dedication seems to be more for the Chantry or the Divine but that's semantics, really.... Cass's biggest difference from Cullen that I see is in Dawn of the Seeker...

 

Spoiler

  she was wrongly accused of committing murder. She also thwarted a blood mage plot. Not that Cullen did... he did resist though. 

 

I found her story in the movie to be a possible cut and paste for a Cullen arc since not much is known about him and the way she's portrayed reminds me of him. The particular departments of the Chantry they serve are different and their genders are different. That's about all I see. I hope they're given greater distinction in DA:I

If true, your theory disturbs me somewhat as it strongly implies that no one is considering that Cullen's actions could be the main reason why there was such backlash against him, as Cassandra never does any of what Cullen did in that department. Which makes me wonder how important DAI will treat his attempt to incite one Annulment and his participation in another as being...

 

Although I don't think that Cassandra actually had serious feelings for Galyan. I also will say that of all the reasons to dislike Cullen, claiming his fanbase to be one is by far the silliest. To be honest, I rather enjoy it because all the rumors of idiotic fangirlism actually seem to keep the hardcore templar supporters away from his dedicated fanbase.

 

 

Would it really be enough though? Tbh, I think even if he sacrificed himself by fighting off a hoard of rebel/red Templars single handedly to allow a large group of mages to escape it still wouldn't really be enough for you due to your feelings regarding his past actions.

IF he died during said hypothetical scenario then I think maybe you'd possibly consider him redeemed, briefly... but then you'd change your mind because that wouldn't cover the amount of mage lives lost from the time he took up his sword as a Templar to the point in which he died. And if by some stroke of luck he managed to survive such a scenario then you still wouldn't trust him because you'd feel that he'd need to die for his past sins in order to be absolved, lol.

... That's how I've always interpreted your opinion of him, anyway.

No, my idea of redemption mostly just requires one to stop doing bad things and start doing good things. If you can fix the bad things you did before, you should, but it's impossible to do so if they involved murder, so in that case all you can do is the best you can for the future. And I don't require that anyone die to find redemption. So I'm not quite so harsh as you may have thought.

[Hellion Rex]

And....this one. Watch this one, and try not to die. If we get music like this...

 

[wiccame]

Well, breaking off the war against the mages would be a nice start.

 

How is one man supposed to single handedly break off a war that has been going on for ever?

 

He has shown his sympathy toward mages in the past, and even when that faith he had in them was shattered, he still believed in the end they they didn't deserve what some of the other templars thought they deserved.

He has the ability to be reasoned with.

[Xilizhra]

How is one man supposed to single handedly break off a war that has been going on for ever?

 

He has shown his sympathy toward mages in the past, and even when that faith he had in them was shattered, he still believed in the end they they didn't deserve what some of the other templars thought they deserved.

He has the ability to be reasoned with.

All of the companions were stated to be leaders of some kind, so he could at least do so for his own faction.

 

Also, I was never able to reason him out of the Annulment, which was the important thing to begin with...

[xxKitRosalin]

How is one man supposed to single handedly break off a war that has been going on for ever?

 

He has shown his sympathy toward mages in the past, and even when that faith he had in them was shattered, he still believed in the end they they didn't deserve what some of the other templars thought they deserved.

He has the ability to be reasoned with.

 

To my understanding, the mage-templar war will have little to do with the game.

[Lillian]

[Hellion Rex]

  ***you forgot to add "guys" to the top***

[wiccame]

All of the companions were stated to be leaders of some kind, so he could at least do so for his own faction.

 

Also, I was never able to reason him out of the Annulment, which was the important thing to begin with...

Still, I think it would take more than a single faction to win that war.

 

I think he pretty much opposed the Annulment eventually. Well he did in my game.

[Lillian]

 

  ***you forgot to add "guys" to the top***

 

...I might have just found this on the internet and decided to grace you all with these thoughts.

[LolaLei]

No, my idea of redemption mostly just requires one to stop doing bad things and start doing good things. If you can fix the bad things you did before, you should, but it's impossible to do so if they involved murder, so in that case all you can do is the best you can for the future. And I don't require that anyone die to find redemption. So I'm not quite so harsh as you may have thought.

That's very... surprising! So, out of curiosity, if you were given control of Cullen's story arc in DAI surrounding his thoughts/feelings about his past actions and how he progresses/regresses from that, and the writers told you to take his story wherever you wanted, what would you have him do? And hypothetically if you were to have him repent and turn over a new leaf, what action(s) and scenarios would it take for you to trust him and finally consider him forgiven? (If at all).

[xxKitRosalin]

*LOLZSNIP

 

*snorts out drink*

[CuriousArtemis]

 

  ***you forgot to add "guys" to the top***

 

 

The "hey girl" thing is a meme.

[Hellion Rex]

...I might have just found this on the internet and decided to grace you all with these thoughts.

[Hellion Rex]

The "hey girl" thing is a meme.

Oh, I know lol

 

Just f*cking with her.

[Xilizhra]

Still, I think it would take more than a single faction to win that war.

 

I think he pretty much opposed the Annulment eventually. Well he did in my game.

A scene I would never reach, as nothing could ever make me side with the templars.

 

 

That's very... surprising! So, out of curiosity, if you were given control of Cullen's story arc in DAI surrounding his thoughts/feelings about his past actions and how he progresses/regresses from that, and the writers told you to take his story wherever you wanted, what would you have him do? And hypothetically if you were to have him repent and turn over a new leaf, what action(s) and scenarios would it take for you to trust him and finally consider him forgiven? (If at all).

I... would turn control of Cullen's story arc over to another writer, in all likelihood. And then try to get Sera or possibly Vivienne. But if that wasn't an option... I'd have him heavily involved with the Red Templar plot and let him see what's implied to be the bizarre death of Kirkwall via the spread of red lyrium, and have him try to squelch his indecision about mages temporarily to dedicate himself to the defeat of his corrupted brethren. And then possibly see why such corruption could have spread so easily in the first place.

 

To be honest, him working with the Inquisition and contributing to the defeat of any extremist templars and the emancipation within reason of mages would count for a great deal for me. On specifics, I'm not yet sure.

[Lillian]

Oh, I know lol

 

Just f*cking with her.

[Hellion Rex]

[wiccame]

A scene I would never reach, as nothing could ever make me side with the templars.

 

 

 

Even if you side with the mages, he will defend you, order Meredith to stand down stating, that this is not what the order stands for. Then he allows you (possibly a mage) and the mages in your party to leave. I think it's pretty evident he does not believe that the annulment should take place.

[BioFan (Official)]

 

 

he was just joking, I hope you know. He didn't mean anything by it, he was trying to be silly, not rude. 

[SamaraDraven]

If true, your theory disturbs me somewhat as it strongly implies that no one is considering that Cullen's actions could be the main reason why there was such backlash against him, as Cassandra never does any of what Cullen did in that department. Which makes me wonder how important DAI will treat his attempt to incite one Annulment and his participation in another as being...

 

Although I don't think that Cassandra actually had serious feelings for Galyan. I also will say that of all the reasons to dislike Cullen, claiming his fanbase to be one is by far the silliest. To be honest, I rather enjoy it because all the rumors of idiotic fangirlism actually seem to keep the hardcore templar supporters away from his dedicated fanbase.

 

 

 

 

No, my idea of redemption mostly just requires one to stop doing bad things and start doing good things. If you can fix the bad things you did before, you should, but it's impossible to do so if they involved murder, so in that case all you can do is the best you can for the future. And I don't require that anyone die to find redemption. So I'm not quite so harsh as you may have thought.

 

True Cass is never seen participating in an annulment, but neither is she out freeing mages, which you have argued in the past to be the right thing to do. You've also argued that Cullen going along with his orders instead of standing up for mages is also what he should have done. Cass hasn't done this either. You've argued in the past that Cullen simply serving the Chantry, the institution that oppresses mages, makes Cullen deserving of death. Cass also serves that institution and isn't out risking her neck for mage (that I'm aware of). As I see her personality; I'd find believable for her to think the mages in Broken Circle could be possessed and demand their execution, just to be safe because many more innocents could die if they turned out to be abominations. So if I were to switch the two, I'd find them to be pretty much the same character.

 

For you, disliking Cullen may have nothing to do with his fans but it seems to be the case for some. When I ask for reasons why someone doesn't like Cullen, I do get "fanservice" as a justification. So it's not silly to me.

 

I'll also state here, that I agree that Cullen asking for the mages' deaths in DAO was overboard. I ALSO understand why he felt as he did. I'm glad the decision wasn't left to him because I found killing those who are innocent just in case some were not to be going too far. But I don't feel Cullen was in his right mind, having just watched many people he knew mage and templar alike being killed, or possessed and himself tortured. It wasn't premeditated malice on his part.

 

He does defy Meredith in DA2, though I know you view it as too little too late and his release of Hawke to be an act of cowardice. I saw it as, what use would it be? If he challenged Hawke and died, Kirkwall would still need guidance what with all the leaders dead and the circle needed to be put back to order. Had he perished, a worse templar could have taken the lead and then what? So I saw his actions as he was following orders but still disagreeing with them and arguing for leniency. His actions have never struck me as being of willful desire to hurt anyone but a sense of duty he feels is required. And if others of his organization abuse their responsibilities, he has his hands tied about doing anything to stop it until he has proof.

 

For me, his and Cass's stories are the same, except for her experience being accused of murder and his being caught up in events. I see neither of them as being evil people. And to me they both serve the Chantry which is what I feel is the evil. Or at least some of the big wigs running it.

[Xilizhra]

Even if you side with the mages, he will defend you, order Meredith to stand down stating, that this is not what the order stands for. Then he allows you (possibly a mage) and the mages in your party to leave. I think it's pretty evident he does not believe that the annulment should take place.

The fact that this is where he draws the line infuriates me, because it's based on a legal technicality that doesn't carry nearly as much weight as the mass murder currently in progress.

[Damate]

All of this, YES!!!!!!! Music is totally my life and how I see and view the world around me IRL, so I want to hear choirs and singing galore!

Oh, oh! Check this out:


It's such a great "Heading forth to battle/adventure, our mythical heroes!" piece

[Lillian]

he was just joking, I hope you know. He didn't mean anything by it, he was trying to be silly, not rude.