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[LolaLei]

Petrice....

I've seen a fair few people that wanted to romance her, lol. She came close though!

[SamaraDraven]

It's a story. An interactive story, sure, but one created by writers/developers all the same. Puppet-masters, pulling the strings so that we as the player can enter into this fantasy world and play about in it, affect it, change it, but always within the prescribed confines of the story base they've created. As such there are some core truths-of-the-plot that we as players cannot change no matter how much we may wish to. Within that story all characters are bound to key behaviors/actions: We as the protagonist only have a limited number of options and paths we can ever take. NPCs are going to behave in a manner that the writers/devs deemed necessary to further their story along.

If the above is true, then saying that a (relatively) bit-part NPC in the story (Cullen) should behave like the protagonist and hero...makes no sense. The comparison lacks any equal footing because if Cullen had been a character who could take on the corrupted Chantry/Templar establishment all on his own... well, then he'd be the hero of the tale, not Hawke.

For better or worse, Cullen - as he has existed in the games thus far - is a pawn within the story. IF he is a companion, then we can probably expect to have more of a chance to influence his actions in one direction or another which tends to the case with Followers/Companions as opposed to NPCs. Until we have a chance to see what the character does when his role is much broader and his actions directly/more strongly influenceable by the protagonist, then we really don't have enough information yet to decide just how much he truly buys into the tenants of the Templar order or not.

 

My impession of what Xil was getting at is that Cullen isn't "good" because of what he serves and what that participates in, necessitating he do things some feel are wrong/evil. I don't disagree with that. The Order does do some pretty awful things to mages and I've always said I'd love to see a better system in place. The caveat of invoking "scripted story" is true... but it's also worth noting that Cullen was still written to be a certain way and not everyone will see the character positively because he's a part of something that abuses a given group of people. For example, take Loghain. I know he has his supporters and they have their reasons and they could tell me how I can't hold the scripted story against him. To which I'd ask; "why not?" He was written to be the character he is. And I just don't think he's "good". And I never felt he did anything to redeem himself though I did try to understand him better. So were I supposed to take a character at face value, I wouldn't like Cullen. It's because he has nuance that I like him. I find he is doing things that redeem him and prove he's not a total jerk. It's because I've seen his struggles that I hold judgement. It's because he's questioned himself and the Order that I think he's "good". If you want people to just judge the story at face value, Cullen becomes not someone I can sympathize with because of how the story plays out. It hardly protects him. If the result of DA2 is inevitable, the writers probably just didn't invest in making every little aspect match up, so Cullen's actions seem weird. looking beyond the script at all the little pieces given are what make it a morally grey tale on both sides, IMO.

[Potato Cat]

Petrice....

I think it's weird that it's me, a Qunari supporter, actually keeps her alive, when I've seen very anti-Qunari peoples hate her.

[SamaraDraven]

I wonder if the DA franchise will ever make a character that is universally disliked for being a complete arsehole, like Joffrey is/was from GoT?

 

lmao! that would be something! "Dragon Age fans finally united in a common cause!"

[Hellion Rex]

I've seen a fair few people that wanted to romance her, lol.

 

I don't think I have ever hated a video game character as much I did Petrice. She is a vile, petty, woman who deserved the death that she got. My only caveat is that I wasn't able to shove a lightning bolt through her chest.

[Potato Cat]

lmao! that would be something! "Dragon Age fans finally united in a common cause!"

I think that person could have been Arl Howe if he wasn't voiced by Tim Curry.

[Hellion Rex]

I think it's weird that it's me, a Qunari supporter, actually keeps her alive, when I've seen very anti-Qunari peoples hate her.

 

 

Enemy.

[Potato Cat]

 
 
Enemy.

Yeah yeah, we've been over this before.

[TheJediSaint]

Vaughan from the City Elf origin is pretty unsympathetic.

[LolaLei]

There are people who are worse than him, I concede.

Most definitely!

Mostly I'm interested in your opinion of his pro-Templar scenes... not that I believe it would change your feelings about him, nor would I expect it to, I'm just curious to hear your thoughts on each scene/dialogue exchanged after watching them.

[Hellion Rex]

Yeah yeah, we've been over this before.

Lol

[Phate Phoenix]

I wonder if the DA franchise will ever make a character that is universally disliked for being a complete arsehole, like Joffrey is/was from GoT?

 

I'm... trying really hard to think of one, although when I think of villains I love to hate, I go to Umbridge from Harry Potter. I don't think there's a character like that in Dragon Age. Petrice is close, I think, but the fact that she's anti-Qunari gives her common ground with some people, so it's less, "I hate you" and more "I agree, but you're doing this wrong".

[Hellion Rex]

I'm... trying really hard to think of one, although when I think of villains I love to hate, I go to Umbridge from Harry Potter. I don't think there' a character like that in Dragon Age. Petrice is close, I think, but the fact that she's anti-Qunari gives her common ground with some people, so it's less, "I hate you" and more "I agree, but you're doing this wrong".

Oh my God. Great analogy with Umbridge. Vile, petty, *****

[Chanda]

Xilizhra, once you get Cullen in your party, and get to know him, would you ever romance him?

[CandraRose]

I'm... trying really hard to think of one, although when I think of villains I love to hate, I go to Umbridge from Harry Potter. I don't think there's a character like that in Dragon Age. Petrice is close, I think, but the fact that she's anti-Qunari gives her common ground with some people, so it's less, "I hate you" and more "I agree, but you're doing this wrong".

I think for me it'd have to be Arl Howe didn't really have any redeeming qualities and my hate grew worse in Awakening
from hearing how horrible he was to Nathaniel.

[Potato Cat]

I think for me it'd have to be Arl Howe didn't really have any redeeming qualities and my hate grew worse in Awakening
from hearing how horrible he was to Nathaniel.

His voice totally counts as a redeeming quality in my eyes.

[Phate Phoenix]

Vaughan from the City Elf origin is pretty unsympathetic.

 

That's pretty close, but he's such a small part that I don't know if it counts. For me, at least. A character that I'd hate on the level of Umbridge would need to be there a lot. They'd need to be a threat to me, for reasons that I cannot ever agree with. In a game like Dragon Age, where everyone has a reason, and generally good reasons, for what they do, it's hard to make me outright hate a character.

[LolaLei]

His voice totally counts as a redeeming quality in my eyes.

The fact that I've seen his VO in drag makes him redeemable, LOL!

[SamaraDraven]

Getting smuggled lyrium doesn't seem gigantically difficult, given all the lyrium smugglers we see (and templar Hawke).

 

 

 

True. Given that fact, it may be possible. Looking beyond the facts however, he'd need to be able to buy lyrium which means he'd need work. He's a Fereldan refugee and runaway templar - who would hire him? And given Cullen's apparent straightlaced personality, he may balk at the idea of breaking the law in that way. Then there's Samson, he was selling mages into slavery for his fix of lyrium. That's how desperate he was, so I'd argue it's not as easy as all that to get. Hawke & Co. do because they have connections and money. Cullen wouldn't have that benefit unless he was in good with someone like Hawke, though I doubt he'd welcome being beholden to anyone in that manner. 

 

  Also, as I said before, being a knight is a part of his identity. That's not an easy thing to let go of. Especially if you feel you can make a difference. Had he just left, he's helping no one. Or, at least, not until he can settle into being a civilian. Given what he states his beiiefs of what being a templar is about, I'd wager he'd find leaving a dereliction of his duty and thus his self. He could try to change things from within, though we know how futile that has seemed and now that so much has gone awry, he may have to admit to himself that changing things from within wasn't ever going to work. Provided he even thinks in terms of revolution of course. He may just be a staunch believer in the way things were before, like back at Kinloch Hold before it all went sideways (Thanks Uldred). In which case, I'd still believe him to be a good man but brainwashed to serve a corrupt system and thus collateral damage. Kind of like Fenris if your friendship with him isn't very high when you side with the mages.

[Hellion Rex]

I'm... trying really hard to think of one, although when I think of villains I love to hate, I go to Umbridge from Harry Potter. I don't think there's a character like that in Dragon Age. Petrice is close, I think, but the fact that she's anti-Qunari gives her common ground with some people, so it's less, "I hate you" and more "I agree, but you're doing this wrong".

Handsome Jack. Such an awesome villain, but I hated the everliving hell out of him.

[Crunchycarp]

Some people hate me for this but my least favorite character in the DA franchise is Fenris

[Hellion Rex]

Some people hate me for this but my least favorite character in the DA franchise is Fenris

[LolaLei]

Man, I really need sleep but the conversation is really interesting!

[Potato Cat]

Does it have to be a villain? Because I've never seen anyone say they liked Sumia from Fire Emblem Awakening. She doesn't say anything that doesn't make me want to punch her in the throat.

[CandraRose]

His voice totally counts as a redeeming quality in my eyes.

True, Tim Curry is AMAZING but I still can't like Arl Howe as a character.
Not after my poor nephew