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[Hello-Nurse]

Just started the broken circle quest. If I am unable to bribe someone with cookies at least once in Inquisition I will be very sad. And I would love the option to threaten anyone with a jar of bees at any time, just have Sara hold it menacingly. Mwhahaha

[CuriousArtemis]

awww birthday lists...  I feel old now.

 

I'll be turning 34.......

 

Birthday lists are even more important now because I keep wanting more and more expensive stuff!

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

I know that we discussed Cullen's possible reaction to his past crush before. Still, I would like to add one or two things. Not that I want to argue but I have to respectfully disagree with you. 

First of all, I don't think that the writers will make a huge deal out of it. They haven't done so in the past. Cullen mentions the female Amell just once in DA 2. Compared with the overall amount of dialogues in the game, that's really very little. Therefore I believe that if he mentions her again in DAI the amount of text and time will be similar. And my interpretation of his wiki entry is that other Templars discussed his crush on the Warden much more than he did it himself. Cullen doesn't strike me as the person who goes on and on about his feeling. That's another reason why I don't believe that there will be an issue.

 

However, I DO believe that a person as a whole is the sum of several smaller parts. And with "parts" I mean the experiences that we make in the past and which define us. A crush is just one of those experiences. Cullen's crush on the Warden shaped his memories. To get my point across I'll give you an hypothetical example: Let's assume that Cullen started to question the harrowing while he was in Ferelden because he didn't want to kill someone he cared deeply about. He would never admit that so he shut away his thoughts in some dark corner of his mind. Years later he meets another Templar who has a crush on a mage. That mage is also supposed to do her harrowing and Cullen notices how much the Templars suffers. Reminded of his own feelings, Cullen finally steps up and somehow  he manages to abolish the harrowing entirely. Had he never had a crush on the fem!Warden, he wouldn't care so much. But he does because he remembers how he felt.

And that's why feelings can define a person. They can change a persons philosophy or attitude. One doesn't necessarily have to be in love for that. So, yes, I think it's possible that even if he only loved the fem!Warden from the distance and that was all ten years ago, it's still a part of who he is now.  

 

That being sad, I think most us agreed the last time we discussed this that it would be okay if Cullen mentions the fem!Warden but that we all hoped that he has moved on by now .

 

Very well said Caja. 

 

I think some people are concerned that he will still have feelings for her but I highly doubt that. I have on more than one occasion reminisced about past crushes with my partner. I would tell him the silly things that I used to do and he would come to the conclusion that I was an even bigger dork than I am now, lol. I remember them all fondly and I don't think there is anything wrong with that, it doesn't at all mean that I have some lingering feelings for a person from 10-15 years ago and it's more of just a pleasant memory and I always recount them with a a big smile on my face.

 

There is nothing wrong with Cullen remembering her fondly, we always appreciate that Cullen is a very human character and that is a very human thing to do. Everyone holds on to some aspects of their past and he probably has very few fond memories from his life as a Templar so I'm all for her being a happy memory for him. Of course, if he were to go on about her in a longing way I think we could all agree that that would suck! None of us want to feel like our Quizzy's are second best to Amell/Surana. *gets ready to punch Amell/Surana in the face * But that will not happen as she is a crush from 10 years ago and the Quizzy is in the now. Unfortunately, I probably wont get any of that dialogue as my import will be Tabris but I am considering making Amell my canon import just so I can get the extra content, no matter how small the discussion might be. 

 

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[Melca36]

I know that we discussed Cullen's possible reaction to his past crush before. Still, I would like to add one or two things. Not that I want to argue but I have to respectfully disagree with you. 

First of all, I don't think that the writers will make a huge deal out of it. They haven't done so in the past. Cullen mentions the female Amell just once in DA 2. Compared with the overall amount of dialogues in the game, that's really very little. Therefore I believe that if he mentions her again in DAI the amount of text and time will be similar. And my interpretation of his wiki entry is that other Templars discussed his crush on the Warden much more than he did it himself. Cullen doesn't strike me as the person who goes on and on about his feeling. That's another reason why I don't believe that there will be an issue.

 

However, I DO believe that a person as a whole is the sum of several smaller parts. And with "parts" I mean the experiences that we make in the past and which define us. A crush is just one of those experiences. Cullen's crush on the Warden shaped his memories. To get my point across I'll give you an hypothetical example: Let's assume that Cullen started to question the harrowing while he was in Ferelden because he didn't want to kill someone he cared deeply about. He would never admit that so he shut away his thoughts in some dark corner of his mind. Years later he meets another Templar who has a crush on a mage. That mage is also supposed to do her harrowing and Cullen notices how much the Templars suffers. Reminded of his own feelings, Cullen finally steps up and somehow  he manages to abolish the harrowing entirely. Had he never had a crush on the fem!Warden, he wouldn't care so much. But he does because he remembers how he felt.

And that's why feelings can define a person. They can change a persons philosophy or attitude. One doesn't necessarily have to be in a romantic relationship for that. So, yes, I think it's possible that even if he only loved the fem!Warden from the distance and that was all ten years ago, it's still a part of who he is now.  

 

That being sad, I think most us agreed the last time we discussed this that it would be okay if Cullen mentions the fem!Warden but that we all hoped that he has moved on by now .

 

That was beautifully said and much better than what I said.

[JasonPogo]

I'll be turning 34.......

 

Birthday lists are even more important now because I keep wanting more and more expensive stuff!

 

Ha I'm 31 and have not had a birthday list since I was like 16.  My parents would just laugh at me if I tried it now....  I think I will give them one this year.  See what happens.

[Lorien19]

Ha I'm 31 and have not had a birthday list since I was like 16.  My parents would just laugh at me if I tried it now....  I think I will give them one this year.  See what happens.

I don't even have to make a birthday list,my family knows me so well they always bring me exactly what I want.

[QueenofFereldan]

 

I think the Female amell was more signifigant because she was the mage that upset Cullens balance of who a templar should fall in love with. The very fact he harboured feelings for a mage rocked his world and he began to quesiton some things. So it isn't amell per se, more that fact she is a mage.

 

If the quizzy is a mage he will probably mention amell as being the first time he realized he couldn't live up to the order.

 

That actually makes a lot of sense. Granted I can't remember what he said when you play a male Surana/Amell in Origins, but he was very uncomfortable and worrying over the fact he had to kill the female mage if she failed. Add to the fact that he was tortured with the thing he wanted most but couldn't have, which was the female mage. Because of who she was and him being a Templar. So for it to somewhat shape him if you import that origin with the female gender makes sense, especially if he romances a mage Quizzy. It actually makes me wonder what he would say to the fact that he fell in love with ANOTHER mage.

[CuriousArtemis]

I think the Female amell was more signifigant because she was the mage that upset Cullens balance of who a templar should fall in love with. The very fact he harboured feelings for a mage rocked his world and he began to quesiton some things. So it isn't amell per se, more that fact she is a mage.

 

You guys are all writing really beautiful stuff here, and I think it says a lot about Cullen that he can inspire such contentious and yet thoughtful discussion of his character and motivations. 

 

But the thing here is that nearly all of this is headcanon. And that's wonderful! I love headcanon. Anyone who habitually romances a guy who pretends for three years like he never had sex with you has to love headcanon. But the base game itself doesn't really confirm anything regarding Cullen's relationship (or lack of relationship) with a female mage Warden. Dialogue options allow you to be sweet to him, lovey-dovey, rude, or confused (as in, Who is this guy again??). 

 

So for BioWare to have Cullen canonically reminisce about the female mage Warden becomes a problem if your headcanon is that your Warden barely knew the guy. Suddenly the character comes across as a sad sap or a creep who can't get over a one-sided crush he had as a boy. 

 

It may not canonically have been the case that Cullen was in love with the female mage Warden. He may have only started noticing her a couple weeks before her Harrowing. So then to say that this brief crush was a formative moment in the history of his character is, again, a headcanon. It asserts that the crush itself was meaningful to him, when we don't have confirmation of that (him mentioning her fondly in Kirkwall a year later doesn't equal meaningful).

 

(fanofthecullen, I know you said "I think"; sorry to seem to be picking on you; I just quoted you since you were last lol)

 

That's why I really hope they don't mention anything about a crush, or feelings, or a "fondness." I would simply prefer "I knew the Hero of Ferelden, yes. She was a strong person, perhaps stronger than I could have ever been." *pause as he remembers that moment, when he was trapped and afraid, and she bravely went on* 

 

Anything along the lines of "She meant a lot to me at one time" or "I still remember her fondly" or "I may never meet her like again" would be BioWare confirming him as either are sad sap or a creeper, assuming you headcanoned your female mage Warden as not having had much to do with him.

 

I hope all of this makes sense

[Hellion Rex]

THOSE TEASING MEANIES!!!!!

 

Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw 

I'm saying it now: one of my very favorite characters is the leader of the Inquisition scouts.

 

Karin Weekes ‏@KarinWeekes 

@Mike_Laidlaw YES.

 

Patrick Weekes ‏@PatrickWeekes 

@KarinWeekes @Mike_Laidlaw YES.

 

Mark Darrah ‏@BioMarkDarrah 

@Mike_Laidlaw "hey boss, we've run into a few problems"

 

Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw 

@BioMarkDarrah

 

Aaryn Flynn @AarynFlynn

@Mike_Laidlaw @BioMarkDarrah I was almost like, "Oh you mean...?" but then realized I should shut my mouth!

[Asperath]

I'll be turning 34.......

 

Birthday lists are even more important now because I keep wanting more and more expensive stuff!

 

I still write a list only I want less but what I do what is more expensive.

At 34, I still get into trouble if I don't hand over a birthday/xmas list (I have the advantage of only 1 week apart) and even if I said I want >this< nope I have to write it all down and probably go buy it just so it's the exactly what I want (colour/size/type)... geez my family must think I'm fussy or something! (and yes I have never been able to pretend to like a present I dislike)

 

At Gamescon, do you think they'll stick to combat and mechanics or do you think there's a chance to find out the last 2 LIs?

[Asperath]

Do you think we'll get to see Cullen at Gamescon at all?? D:

 

Personally, I don't think we will. I actually think we've been quite lucky with the pics and info we're had.

I'm more keen to find out the last 2 LIs

[QueenofFereldan]

I hope they show us how the advisor part of the game works.

[QueenofFereldan]

...That's part of the reason I want to see that part. XD But seriously, we saw the combats and tactics. Considering that the choices we make with the advisors are to show how we move forward and to get some attribute checks (if I am thinking on this right), I believe we need to see how it works on a basic level.

 

If that is the only time we get to see Cullen and his interaction, it would make me happy.

[phyreblade74]

He either dies of the taint or eventually loses himself to lyrium addiction. It's a bad future, either way. And I don't see how 'Hawke chose' the Grey Wardens for Carver. It was bad luck with the Darkspawn, luck at having Anders there and Hawke choosing to honour how Carver wanted to come into the deep roads that makes Carver a Grey Warden. 

 

He is in no frame of mind, in that instance, to choose for himself, though.  We can argue, and say he most likely would've chosen it given the other option.  But the fact remains, it's always Hawke choosing for him, there.  Being a Templar is HIS decision, not something Hawke himself ever had any control over.  Nor am I saying that being a Templar is any easier than being a Warden, although most likely better than being dead, shrug.  I was happier with the chance for HIM to choose, is all.

[rapscallioness]

alrighty then. how 'bout sum half nekkid Cullen everybody! always brings a smile to my face...

 

 

[rapscallioness]

ooohhh, or this one again by our own Lorien19:

 

 

gosh, i already feel like poor Cinderella hoping i can go to the ball and dance with the "prince".

[Asperath]

That fanart by Lorien19 makes me think about how willingly a Dalish elf (male or female) would be willing to actually dress up and participate in the ball.

I'm certain there may not be a choice but it's bound to get a different reaction? I can't imagine nobles etc treating an "elf" as well as a human or even dwarf... oh yeah not to mention how qunari will be perceived. I wonder if they'll be snide remarks and dirty looks etc. I think the current situation of the inquisition would play a part as well. I hate to think it's glossed over esp as I would imagine that this would be a situation where racial/cultural difference would appear.

 

Maybe over thinking it a little

[CuriousArtemis]

I'm more keen to find out the last 2 LIs

 

I know, right  If they think not knowing is making me want to buy the game MORE they really don't know how this all works.

[rapscallioness]

i don't think you're overthinking at all. i mean this group is a bunch of nobles. they're gonna be catty anyway, but for the elf and qunari in particular...i would expect it to be turned up to catty 11.

[CuriousArtemis]

That fanart by Lorien19 makes me think about how willingly a Dalish elf (male or female) would be willing to actually dress up and participate in the ball.

I'm certain there may not be a choice but it's bound to get a different reaction? I can't imagine nobles etc treating an "elf" as well as a human or even dwarf... oh yeah not to mention how qunari will be perceived. I wonder if they'll be snide remarks and dirty looks etc. I think the current situation of the inquisition would play a part as well. I hate to think it's glossed over esp as I would imagine that this would be a situation where racial/cultural difference would appear.

 

Maybe over thinking it a little

 

In my sad fanfic which I shall never complete now lol I had the Orlesian nobles all ignoring my Dalish inquisitor, so Cullen danced with him to sort of show the a-holes that he was as good as any human.

 

They've been talking about race reactivity so I can see this as being one of those times, yeah. Funny, I have on Dalish quizzy who will be reluctant to participate in the silly human pomp and circumstance, and another who will be like, Oh boy, what do I get to wear?! Tee-hee