Er, I'm lesbian?
It wasn't necessarily easy, true (though... how long has Cullen been with the Order, and is it enough for the addiction to truly set in?). I appreciate that his situation was difficult, but his priorities were not... helpful to the greater good, I suppose.
So, I'm straight, and sometimes I go for lesbian romances in DA games. Just wondering if you would go for Cullen. Maybe if Cullen was Cullena?
So, I'm straight, and sometimes I go for lesbian romances in DA games. Just wondering if you would go for Cullen. Maybe if Cullen was Cullena?
I believe Samara may have super ninja'do me in some points lol!
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So, I'm straight, and sometimes I go for lesbian romances in DA games. Just wondering if you would go for Cullen. Maybe if Cullen was Cullena?
I'm straight as well and I like to play around with gay/lesbian relationships as well. I tend to play in terms of what my character is as opposed to my own personality. :3
Cassandra and Cullen being similar could be on purpose.
Two people with similar personalities and occupations can still react to one instance completely different.
Could even have some "How can you stand this/you know what they're like/ect" conversations.
Do you remember the line when he says "I defended you when Thrask (I think it was thrask) started whispering that you were crazy!" Or something like that. I really think he was trying to keep a lid on people questioning and rebelling against Meredith. So going to a total wild card source outside the order and warning him about her would not only be major mutiny but could potentially make the situation way worse. (Mutiny may not be the right word)
I'm not sure he defended her because he believed in her though, rather than needing to ease his own mind. I think he didn't want to see the truth about her for a while. And even so, slipping a tip to Hawke wouldn't be mutiny unless it threatened Meredith's command. I'm thinking there was a lot he couldn't do directly but could give someone else a chance to remedy. He does warn about what he's heard regarding Bethany. But I'm guessing his sense of duty keeps that from being feasible which brings me back to how sudden his flip does seem. It wasn't unbelievable but it did seem to go from doubts to action rather quick, though granted, killing Hawke was an obvious big red sign. I know he questioned before then as well. I guess I just can't let go of the idea of Cullen and Hawke working together. Headcanons suck that way. 
I'm not sure he defended her because he believed in her though, rather than needing to ease his own mind. I think he didn't want to see the truth about her for a while. And even so, slipping a tip to Hawke wouldn't be mutiny unless it threatened Meredith's command. I'm thinking there was a lot he couldn't do directly but could give someone else a chance to remedy. He does warn about what he's heard regarding Bethany. But I'm guessing his sense of duty keeps that from being feasible which brings me back to how sudden his flip does seem. It wasn't unbelievable but it did seem to go from doubts to action rather quick, though granted, killing Hawke was an obvious big red sign. I know he questioned before then as well. I guess I just can't let go of the idea of Cullen and Hawke working together. Headcanons suck that way.
PERSONALLY, I believe that the reason Cullen defended her was because he, himself, had been a subject to rumors, and thus knows the damage that it can do to a person ( ending of DA:O). He most likely believed that they were what they were: rumors and wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt, unless proved otherwise.
You know I'm betting someone has said this already but I'm tired so I may have missed it.
Cullen's actions were also probably the direct result of his faith. This is a man who has been told his entire life that the Templars serve the chantry and the maker and defying the Chantry or the Templars is going against the Makers (or Andrastes) will. It would probably be more scary because the Maker is already considered a deity that isn't to fond of humans anyway. To us in a modern setting this may not seem logical or a very big deal but you can bet in a society like that and with the way he was raised and trained it means everything. He also talked about how he would never go against/question the order in the first game. Cullen was probably worried that defying Meredith was heresy.
As a real world example people in Spain allowed to Spanish Inquisition to go on for an incredibly long time (in fact it wasn't disbanded until 1820 although it had really calmed down by then) because they were worried about their souls and that those around them who weren't religious would anger God. (They were also worried you could catch being a heretic) The people for the most part actually wanted those investigations around.
So back to Cullen religious motivation along with duty AND his past experiences and trauma are major factors in his unwillingness to make a move. Oh and that he wasn't the hero of the story-that was a great point made
So judging Cullen's inaction by our modern standards without that religious societal pressure doesn't seem entirely fair.
So, I'm straight, and sometimes I go for lesbian romances in DA games. Just wondering if you would go for Cullen. Maybe if Cullen was Cullena?
I'm straight as well and I like to play around with gay/lesbian relationships as well. I tend to play in terms of what my character is as opposed to my own personality. :3
Um... 
"So"? Really? Ok then... You really just told a lesbian to simply pretend Cullen's a girl? Like what you're comfortable doing, everyone else should be comfortable with too? 
I think I need to leave for a while...
Cassandra and Cullen being similar could be on purpose.
Two people with similar personalities and occupations can still react to one instance completely different.
Could even have some "How can you stand this/you know what they're like/ect" conversations.
To be honest, from the tiny bit we know, I don't see their personalities being similar. Cassandra's character kit talks about how she is: practical, short tempered, rigid, emotionless save for anger and aggression. That's not how I would describe what we've seen of Cullen. He seems polite and diplomatic to a fault, in fact almost to his detriment. He defended Meredith til the end, he smooths over the tranquil issue, doesn't talk **** about the Order but instead talks in generalities. "They say" "it's a commonly thought" He rarely tells you what he thinks, but instead gives the PR answer for the Order. We've seen him angry and aggressive, but in very extreme situations. Otherwise he seems very cool, calm and collected. In fact, kind of the opposite of how they describe Cassandra.
I'm not sure he defended her because he believed in her though, rather than needing to ease his own mind. I think he didn't want to see the truth about her for a while. And even so, slipping a tip to Hawke wouldn't be mutiny unless it threatened Meredith's command. I'm thinking there was a lot he couldn't do directly but could give someone else a chance to remedy. He does warn about what he's heard regarding Bethany. But I'm guessing his sense of duty keeps that from being feasible which brings me back to how sudden his flip does seem. It wasn't unbelievable but it did seem to go from doubts to action rather quick, though granted, killing Hawke was an obvious big red sign. I know he questioned before then as well. I guess I just can't let go of the idea of Cullen and Hawke working together. Headcanons suck that way.
Um...
I think I need to leave for a while...
Samara, I wasn't referring to you with the comment, I was referring to Chanda. You're entitled to play however you want. I was just talking to Chanda about how I also play like that, too.
Oh, I can HATE video game characters with a passion, but, for some reason, that just doesn't translate over to DA or Mass Effect or Bioware games in general. Instead I find myself appreciating all the characters for what they are instead of being all "You little sh!t, why do I have to put up with you for the entire game?!"
Hell, maybe it's the roleplay aspect that leads me to be like that? While I'm just appreciating the characters for how they're written, my Warden/Hawke/Shepard are free to hate who they wanna hate without my personal feelings clouding how much I can roleplay. I honestly have no idea. o.o
I think it's maybe the writing. I also think that's why, for me anyway, there's sometimes real hatred. Ok, not *hatred*, but...for example-as a mother, I want to have the option for my warden to, in no uncertain terms, tell Isolde that she's a selfish, selfish woman, and she is why Redcliffe can't have nice things. I kind of hate her, and I wouldn't, if her writing (and her VO, to be sure) weren't so on point.
And while I *love* Tim Curry's voice (dear gods.), with my Cousland, Rendon Howe's last words make me want to revive him and shank his ass again. 
That's what sucked me in, to be honest-a world full of characters I give a sh!t about, one way or another.
I think it's maybe the writing.
And while I *love* Tim Curry's voice (dear gods.), with my Cousland, Rendon Howe's last words make me want to revive him and shank his ass again.
That's what sucked me in, to be honest-a world full of characters I give a sh!t about, one way or another.
Howe was/is/will be one of the most despicable video game characters I have/will/ever will have met. >.<
Why did I run out of likes when the conversation tonight is so gooood?!?!! LIKE, DAMN YOU! LIIIIIIKKKEEE
But seriously, I think you bring up a good point. Now as a rule I like to avoid talking about religion, politics or personal sexuality online -- it just tends to end poorly. At least when speaking about it in an RL sense. But the question of faith does seem to be something that is important to Cullen's character, so it's a valid point to bring up here.
I also think we need to keep in mind the differences between the in-game reality and ours: WE don't have to deal with abominations. We don't have to deal with Tevinter Magisters who feel/felt free to slaughter people to fuel their blood magic. So I think it's easier for many of us to say "Hey! Stop oppressing those mages!" -- now say abominations and blood magic was a very real concern RL... as a mother I sure as hell wouldn't want my kids under the thumb of a Magister or a posse of Abomination running rampant around my neighbourhood. I'd want some kind of police force to try and prevent that from happening. To the degree that the chantry goes about it? I hope not... but to some degree or another? Yes.
In that light I am more likely to view someone like Cullen sympathetically: Both because he does seem to care about the well being of the whole and because he does eventually find the courage to say "We can't do our job properly and morally as Templars if we stand about like sheep led by this crazy, red-lyrium addled madwoman" -- it's a progression of his character, one I hope to see extended in DAI.
This is an important point, as I personally think this is key to his character. As I've often pointed out, he doesn't stand up to Meredith because he's saving Hawke, he stands up to her because "this is not what the Order stands for." He cites this issue several times throughout Act 3. I think he believes deeply in his faith and his Andraste-given duty. When you talk with him in Act 1 about how the templars need to lighten up, his response is that, yes, maybe if everyone had a better education in the Chantry's tenets they "wouldn't go against the will of Andraste herself." Following the Order, the probably idealized version he sees in his head, is a huge part of his faith.
Sorry. I meant that, if there had been more time for development, would Cullen's doubts have had a more natural progression from "I'm not sure..." to "STAND DOWN MEREDITH!" Then it got me thinking... If Cullen was experiencing doubts at a more natural pace and Hawke was pro-mage, might he have come to her o warn of things? Or to ask for help? Like how Thrask does? I would think questioning himself would lead him to do... I dunno, something - no matter how small - before The Last Straw. I just think it would have been neat. He clearly wondered about the Order before it all went to hell so why not show us this a bit more concretely? He brought the trouble regarding Aveline to Hawke when I doubt Meredith would have approved because I can see her wanting control of the guard. So why weren't his doubts more... visible? I wonder if it was just due to time constraints and rushed release of the game.
Um...
I think I need to leave for a while...
Really? I didn't realise it was offensive... Especially since we're talking about a fantasy world with pixellated characters. Maybe I should have worded it differently. How about, "If Cullen was a female, but with the same exact personality and past, would you romance her?"
Samara, I wasn't referring to you with the comment, I was referring to Chanda. You're entitled to play however you want. I was just talking to Chanda about how I also play like that, too.
Blasted notifications... I KNOW you weren't talking to me. I'm not a lesbian. I thought you were both being off-hand-ish about Xil's declaration that she's a lesbian in response to whether or not she'd romance Cullen. And I find "So? just pretend he's a girl" to be an offensive answer. Apologies if you weren't doing that but I'm walking out before I go on a diatribe.
Um...
I think I need to leave for a while...
I don't play myself in any of Bioware's games, so I can easily have characters romance different people. I understand that people also like to play themselves, however, and that's why they only go with one gender or something. It's totally cool!
...Honestly if I rped myself, all my characters would be single. None of the characters we've had thus far have hit my usual personality types. None of the characters that are options, anyway. *eyes Varric, Sten, Vivienne if she ends up not an option, that one Turian general* 
To be honest, from the tiny bit we know, I don't see their personalities being similar. Cassandra's character kit talks about how she is: practical, short tempered, rigid, emotionless save for anger and aggression. That's not how I would describe what we've seen of Cullen. He seems polite and diplomatic to a fault, in fact almost to his detriment. He defended Meredith til the end, he smooths over the tranquil issue, doesn't talk **** about the Order but instead talks in generalities. "They say" "it's a commonly thought" He rarely tells you what he thinks, but instead gives the PR answer for the Order. We've seen him angry and aggressive, but in very extreme situations. Otherwise he seems very cool, calm and collected. In fact, kind of the opposite of how they describe Cassandra.
I agree with you, it was more a general statement
I would like some banter between the two about their respected jobs though. I can see Cullen whipping out the good 'ol "With all due respect (kiss my ass)"
Blasted notifications... I KNOW you weren't talking to me. I'm not a lesbian. I thought you were both being off-hand-ish about Xil's declaration that she's a lesbian in response to whether or not she'd romance Cullen. And I find "So? just pretend he's a girl" to be an offensive answer. Apologies if you weren't doing that but I'm walking out before I go on a diatribe.
No, this is not what I was doing. I was talking about how I, personally, role play, and got excited because someone else does the same thing I do with rping. That is all.
I don't play myself in any of Bioware's games, so I can easily have characters romance different people. I understand that people also like to play themselves, however, and that's why they only go with one gender or something. It's totally cool!
...Honestly if I rped myself, all my characters would be single. None of the characters we've had thus far have hit my usual personality types. None of the characters that are options, anyway. *eyes Varric, Sten, Vivienne if she ends up not an option, that one Turian general*
Me too! If I played myself, none of my characters would be in relationships! xD
I don't play myself in any of Bioware's games, so I can easily have characters romance different people. I understand that people also like to play themselves, however, and that's why they only go with one gender or something. It's totally cool!
...Honestly if I rped myself, all my characters would be single. None of the characters we've had thus far have hit my usual personality types. None of the characters that are options, anyway. *eyes Varric, Sten, Vivienne if she ends up not an option, that one Turian general*
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