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[Panda]

I can say that my Inquisitor will have zero concern for chain of command as far as Cullen goes. *no shame* 

 

I've also been wondering, with all the secrets and espionage going around... What do you think his reaction would be if he were asked to do something for the Chantry (being devout) that he saw as going against those morals? Since I'm not very eloquent this morning - ie: like what if your *insert chosen religious figurehead here* asked you kill someone or lie / cheat / steal in the name of *insert deity*? Would Cullen do it? Could he see past the cardinal sin for the 'greater good'? Or would it be a situation where the ends do not justify the means? 

 

I wonder. feel like Cullen was struggling with himself a lot in the DA2 because of his morality clashing with his superiors orders and his trauma. I think that Cullen has to be grown more between the games and I hope he is more true to himself in DAI and trusts his own values and opinions more than listens what higher-ups says. So if he has had this kinda of character grow then I'd say he says no. In other hand maybe he has become even more withdrawn between the games and throws his morality away and just does what is waited of him. I hope not ^^ So it can go either way.

[Owlfruit Potion]

I can say that my Inquisitor will have zero concern for chain of command as far as Cullen goes. *no shame* 

 

I've also been wondering, with all the secrets and espionage going around... What do you think his reaction would be if he were asked to do something for the Chantry (being devout) that he saw as going against those morals? Since I'm not very eloquent this morning - ie: like what if your *insert chosen religious figurehead here* asked you kill someone or lie / cheat / steal in the name of *insert deity*? Would Cullen do it? Could he see past the cardinal sin for the 'greater good'? Or would it be a situation where the ends do not justify the means? 

 

I imagine that he hugely regrets letting the Kirkwall annulment get started, so I would think after Meredith he'd straight up refuse anything that goes against his personal idea of what Templar / Andrastian morals are. But I'm open to the possibility that things we learn about his character in DAI will contradict that.

[Potato Cat]

Happy Easter everyone!
 
Hey Potato Cat, how are you handling Easter so far?

Spoiler

 
 

Fine...

Some people are so insensitive at Easter.


I have been given two of those big ones and four of the little ones. I've already taken a hammer to some of them. The chocolate bunnies, not the horrible people I call friends and family.

[Dirgegun]

I can say that my Inquisitor will have zero concern for chain of command as far as Cullen goes. *no shame* 

 

I've also been wondering, with all the secrets and espionage going around... What do you think his reaction would be if he were asked to do something for the Chantry (being devout) that he saw as going against those morals? Since I'm not very eloquent this morning - ie: like what if your *insert chosen religious figurehead here* asked you kill someone or lie / cheat / steal in the name of *insert deity*? Would Cullen do it? Could he see past the cardinal sin for the 'greater good'? Or would it be a situation where the ends do not justify the means? 

 

I could see him saying no after what happened in DAII and where he was at in the end of that game. That can change, of course, or be completely wrong, because when it comes down to it we haven't seen all aspects of his character. Still, he seemed pretty concrete about how he felt about the order and what it should be at the end... and I imagine that could, possibly, extend to his faith? That, and after Meredith, it might have opened his eyes to how even the so called most devout and those that should know what they're doing with the power of command they hold can be wrong.

[meanieweenie]

Those are good points. There have been a few discussions on R2's question re: following orders and chain of command in the line of duty. To clarify though, I was thinking more about the religious side of things. I do agree that if put in the position between values and duty, he will ultimately chose to go with what he feels is 'right'. Like when he stood up to Mereidth... better late than never. But what if that order came from someone who was supposed to be speaking for Andraste / the Chantry... where does Cullen draw that moral compass line? Would it matter?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Why do you hate bunnies, Potato Cat?

[meanieweenie]

Fine...

Some people are so insensitive at Easter.

*snip*
I have been given two of those big ones and four of the little ones. I've already taken a hammer to some of them. The chocolate bunnies, not the horrible people I call friends and family.

You have forced me to consume more chocolate.... my soul thanks you. My waistline, not so much. 

[Sifr]

 

I wonder how Cullen and Leliana would get on, if they're both NPC's of equal standing. I wonder if the three possible advisors would have to have as differing personalities and stances as the companions do.

 

You know, given that DA2 and ME3 had beta couple hookups, I wouldn't mind seeing Leliana end up with Cullen if both have been thus-far unromanced. Both are genuinely nice people, devout believers in the Maker and he's exactly the sort of decent bloke that Leliana would be attracted to.

 

Yeah, I could see those two together.

[Potato Cat]

Why do you hate bunnies, Potato Cat?

They are incredibly vicious beasts. I have been bitten more times than I care to count. Not to mention: deceptive, cruel, heartless, sneaky, gluttonous, randy, untrustworthy and all round frightening. Vile creatures.

[Sifr]

They are incredibly vicious beasts. I have been bitten more times than I care to count. Not to mention: deceptive, cruel, heartless, sneaky, gluttonous, randy, untrustworthy and all round frightening. Vile creatures.

 

All the same reasons with which I justify my completely rational fear of butterflies...

 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

They are incredibly vicious beasts. I have been bitten more times than I care to count. Not to mention: deceptive, cruel, heartless, sneaky, gluttonous, randy, untrustworthy and all round frightening. Vile creatures.

[Potato Cat]

All the same reasons with which I justify my completely rational fear of butterflies...
 

I also hate them. Also moths. Both of them always fluttering around like they own the place. And why don't moths just go out in the day if they like the bloody light?! Idiots.

[Panda]

Those are good points. There have been a few discussions on R2's question re: following orders and chain of command in the line of duty. To clarify though, I was thinking more about the religious side of things. I do agree that if put in the position between values and duty, he will ultimately chose to go with what he feels is 'right'. Like when he stood up to Mereidth... better late than never. But what if that order came from someone who was supposed to be speaking for Andraste / the Chantry... where does Cullen draw that moral compass line? Would it matter?

 

Ah in that case I'm not sure. Cullen definitely is andrastian but I don't think games have show how religious he exactly is. Religion is also tricky thing, some people are really religious and will do anything for religion, some people pray and stuff but don't follow their religion as closely.

[R2s Muse]

Those are good points. There have been a few discussions on R2's question re: following orders and chain of command in the line of duty. To clarify though, I was thinking more about the religious side of things. I do agree that if put in the position between values and duty, he will ultimately chose to go with what he feels is 'right'. Like when he stood up to Mereidth... better late than never. But what if that order came from someone who was supposed to be speaking for Andraste / the Chantry... where does Cullen draw that moral compass line? Would it matter?

That would be fascinating. I always imagine him being very faithful. So... what if the Divine asked him to do something most would consider morally despicable. Like... I dunno, heh, to borrow a sort of example from my recent fic, what if the Chantry learned of real honest to goodness descendants of Andraste and sent him to 'take care' of the infidels and the possible threat they pose to the stability of the Chantry. Or, there's some evidence that Andraste was a mage, and he's asked to 'remove' it and its purveyors. Something like that. Hmmm... 

 

On one hand he's spent his career doing something similar, potentially killing mages who are a threat, all in the name of Andraste. But this is outside the context of what he's been trained for. Would he follow suit? Would it create a situation where he had to think about it? Huh. I have no idea. It would be interesting to write about, tho. 

[Adela]

LOL poor potato cat....(never tell your  fears on the forum.. ppl.. like me will terrorize you)

[Dirgegun]

Those are good points. There have been a few discussions on R2's question re: following orders and chain of command in the line of duty. To clarify though, I was thinking more about the religious side of things. I do agree that if put in the position between values and duty, he will ultimately chose to go with what he feels is 'right'. Like when he stood up to Mereidth... better late than never. But what if that order came from someone who was supposed to be speaking for Andraste / the Chantry... where does Cullen draw that moral compass line? Would it matter?

 

Ah! I didn't word what I meant the best. I think that he might be willing to question the Divine more after Kirkwall? (I could be proven wrong here, of course, and I would have nothing against it if I am proven wrong because this is just speculation, but anyway...!) He might be willing to see her more as a person/someone who can have faults after his experiences. He's been burned twice by now, after all. I imagine that could encourage anyone to start asking more questions of those around them, including those within their faith. Especially if you're supposed to take someone's word as the word of your chief religious figure. 

 

So I could see him possibly pausing to ask the question "but wait, does this contradict Andraste's teachings?" or something akin to that.

[Dirgegun]

All the same reasons with which I justify my completely rational fear of butterflies...

 

 

Butterflies are creepy! I like moths, though. 

 

And grasshoppers, man. Screw grasshoppers.

[R2s Muse]

They are incredibly vicious beasts. I have been bitten more times than I care to count. Not to mention: deceptive, cruel, heartless, sneaky, gluttonous, randy, untrustworthy and all round frightening. Vile creatures.

Gotta be careful... 

 

[Potato Cat]

Ah in that case I'm not sure. Cullen definitely is andrastian but I don't think games have show how religious he exactly is. Religion is also tricky thing, some people are really religious and will do anything for religion, some people pray and stuff but don't follow their religion as closely.

The thing that confuses me is if he's meant to be a NPC, why would he still be the leader of our military if we always go against the Chantry, the Templars and his beliefs? Surely he'd turn against us, but then we'd need another leader. And it seems weird to have two characters perform pretty much the same role and lines.

[Dirgegun]

The thing that confuses me is if he's meant to be a NPC, why would he still be the leader of our military if we always go against the Chantry, the Templars and his beliefs? Surely he'd turn against us, but then we'd need another leader. And it seems weird to have two characters perform pretty much the same role and lines.

 

It's possible we might find out some dirty secrets the Chantry has that will lead him to sticking around and seeing it through? And possibly ruin all that the poor boy believes in a third time. 

[R2s Muse]

The thing that confuses me is if he's meant to be a NPC, why would he still be the leader of our military if we always go against the Chantry, the Templars and his beliefs? Surely he'd turn against us, but then we'd need another leader. And it seems weird to have two characters perform pretty much the same role and lines.

Yeah, the 'against the Chantry thing' is interesting. I can't wait til they finally explain that. I like to think that the Inquisition is  not so much an enemy of the Chantry, but instead an independent organization that happens to disagree with the Chantry's approach to 'saving the world' or whatever we're doing with the Veil rifts. That being said... doesn't really augur well for Cullen being part of the Chantry institution, does it?  Hmmm. 

[Crunchycarp]

Gotta be careful... 
 

That's why I want giant fire breathing nugs as enemies in inquisition

[meanieweenie]

That would be fascinating. I always imagine him being very faithful. So... what if the Divine asked him to do something most would consider morally despicable. Like... I dunno, heh, to borrow a sort of example from my recent fic, what if the Chantry learned of real honest to goodness descendants of Andraste and sent him to 'take care' of the infidels and the possible threat they pose to the stability of the Chantry. Or, there's some evidence that Andraste was a mage, and he's asked to 'remove' it and its purveyors. Something like that. Hmmm... 

 

On one hand he's spent his career doing something similar, potentially killing mages who are a threat, all in the name of Andraste. But this is outside the context of what he's been trained for. Would he follow suit? Would it create a situation where he had to think about it? Huh. I have no idea. It would be interesting to write about, tho. 

Your fic may be what prompted my pondering... something that would be totally catastrophic to the Chantry that could changed the entire belief system would be insane! Like having a UFO land on the steps of St. Peter's Basilica to tell humans that everything we ever believed in was wrong. 

[Dirgegun]

Your fic may be what prompted my pondering... something that would be totally catastrophic to the Chantry that could changed the entire belief system would be insane! Like having a UFO land on the steps of St. Peter's Basilica to tell humans that everything we ever believed in was wrong. 

 

I'm always so confused over 'Aliens will destroy religion!" Man, maybe God/the force/whatever actually exists out there just didn't think aliens were any of our business? 

 

People meeting aliens in Mass Effect went much better than I imagine it actually would. Even with the first contact war. 

[R2s Muse]

Your fic may be what prompted my pondering... something that would be totally catastrophic to the Chantry that could changed the entire belief system would be insane! Like having a UFO land on the steps of St. Peter's Basilica to tell humans that everything we ever believed in was wrong. 

Hmm... you know, thinking about it that way, as "Thedas shattering," I bet it would dredge up some of the same questions about the greater good and the ends justifying the means. Sort of "DaVinci Code"-esque high jinks might ensue, with secret societies coming out of the woodwork to set things right (*cough*Seekers?*cough*). Is it bad that I want to see that?? LOL