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[phyreblade74]

Not quite,I said that whether someone finds elves or dwarves pretty,is entirely based on their preferences.
Not that it's impossible for Cullen to not be physically attracted to,in fact what I said to Urazz had nothing to do with what Cullen might or might not like.
I basically,disagreed with his/her statement that elves are prettier because dwarves are short.Conventionally attractive,doesn't always equate that it will fit everyone's preferences.

 

Her, lol.

 

But you also said physical attraction is subjective.  Therefore, you contradicted yourself -- because it's impossible to disagree with someone's merely subjective opinions.  Unless what you're saying is that it's at all appropriate to put rules to people's attractions.  As in, "you must not find this or that particular physical trait unappealing".

[ilikesocks]

It also kinda pisses me off when people say the only reason Solas is attracted to elven females is because they're his baby maker. As if women could have no other use to a man!

*Edit: because maybe "use" isn't the right word but I hope you get the jist of what I'm saying because my phone is dying. XD Stupid power outage! Can't charge it.

[Owlfruit Potion]

What is it you're disagreeing with?  The dwarves Cullen has encountered tend to be course, rough, drunken and outrageously gregarious, and generally physically unattractive.  Did I miss something, that you'd disagree with that?  Or are you rather disagreeing with my premise that elves are prettier, as a general rule?  Let me repeat what you just said, then -- "physical attraction is subjective" -- because I never said otherwise. 

 

For me at least, it's not that you've directly said otherwise, it's that you've made other statements (elves are prettier, the height difference makes Alistair/dwarf hard to believe) that frame your subjective opinion as fact. I mean, (1) I have no problem with Cullen being race-gated and I'm sure the actual reasons are perfectly logical, and (2) I have now become guilty of my second-most-hated Dragon Age Fandom Party Foul by saying "having X opinion about Dragon Age is like having Y opinion about the real world" with my previous post, so I'm going to bow out of this conversation after this one, but can you really not see how you're coming off as a bit hostile? As I clarified in my edit, I play human in DA and it's no skin off my nose, but as someone who felt represented by FemShep's body type in a way I didn't feel represented by other games and loved it, I can't begrudge the short and/or curvy ladies who love playing as dwarves the validation some of them have posted about having felt from Alistair's romance being open to them, etc.

 

(EDIT: And if this wasn't A Thing, which I have seen posted about many times, I wouldn't be saying that, because I imagine that last bit could come off as pretty condescending otherwise. I am not saying short humans are dwarf-like or anything, just that some short humans I know IRL and others whose posts I have read online especially enjoy playing as them.)

 

(SECOND EDIT: And agreed with below--it would def. be weird if he was suddenly not into either of the races he's been into before.)

Modifié par Owlfruit Potion, 03 septembre 2014 - 11:44 .

[phyreblade74]

Did you read of the post? Like the story reasons?

 

If the devs had simply said Cullen's preferences were for elves and humans and left it like that (and not tried to pretty it up with "the gates are for story reasons! Honest!") I would've mehed and moved on. But story reasons for romancing dalish but not dwarves? Uh...yeah I'm gonna need to see the receipts.

 

Story reason = he was attracted to elves before and is, thus, capable of being attracted to elves now.  It would be strange, considering the story of DAO where Cullen could flirt with a Surana, for him to suddenly find elves unattractive.  The story of both Origins and DA2 also include several references to possible negative considerations of both dwarves and qunari, up to and including comments Cullen actually made.

 

The fact remains the story as it's currently understood describes reasons for Cullen to feel the way that he does.  The story as Inquisition progresses may make even more allusions to his reasoning that we haven't yet seen.  Until then, all we can do is speculate.

[Not a Cat Doll]

It also kinda pisses me off when people say the only reason Solas is attracted to elven females is because they're his baby maker. As if women could have no other use to a man!

*Edit: because maybe "use" isn't the right word but I hope you get the jist of what I'm saying because my phone is dying. XD Stupid power outage! Can't charge it.

Yeah, I agree. It strikes me as somewhat misogynistic to assert that the only reason Solas could be straight is for the sake of having children. He could just be straight because women are f***ing awesome.

[Ryzaki]

Story reason = he was attracted to elves before and is, thus, capable of being attracted to elves now.  It would be strange, considering the story of DAO where Cullen could flirt with a Surana, for him to suddenly find elves unattractive.  The story of both Origins and DA2 also include several references to possible negative considerations of both dwarves and qunari, up to and including comments Cullen actually made.

 

The fact remains the story as it's currently understood describes reasons for Cullen to feel the way that he does.  The story as Inquisition progresses may make even more allusions to his reasoning that we haven't yet seen.  Until then, all we can do is speculate.

 

That's...not. Oi vey. Being attracted to female X because your attracted to female X is not a story reason. You can choose not to have a relationship with someone you find attractive. Much like not being attracted to X because you're not attracted to X isn't a story reason.

 

Being not attracted to X because traumatizing/humiliating/whatever moment Y made you afraid/disgusted/leery/etc of them is a story reason. (thus why I get the whole he's not into Qunari because of the Qunari seige of kirkwall thing. It's not my Qunari's fault but I get it.)

 

But him having a negative view of my character for something she wasn't involved in at all will endear me to him surely. Ah Cullen. You will get all the crappy jobs if that ends up being the case.

 

Also his negative considerations of dwarves involved their religious beliefs. You know an issue that dalish will also have.

 

But yeah all we can do is speculate til November.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 03 septembre 2014 - 11:42 .

[iheartbob]

I'm sorry to all the femDwarves and femQunari that can't romance Cullen, but can I just say that I am super grateful for the extra development time now that has even enabled this romance to be possible for anyone?

 

November can't come soon enough.

[phyreblade74]

For me at least, it's not that you've directly said otherwise, it's that you've made other statements (elves are prettier, the height difference makes Alistair/dwarf hard to believe) that frame your subjective opinion as fact. I mean, (1) I have no problem with Cullen being race-gated and I'm sure the actual reasons are perfectly logical, and (2) I have now become guilty of my second-most-hated Dragon Age Fandom Party Foul by saying "having X opinion about Dragon Age is like having Y opinion about the real world" with my previous post, so I'm going to bow out of this conversation after this one, but can you really not see how you're coming off as a bit hostile? As I clarified in my edit, I play human in DA and it's no skin off my nose, but as someone who felt represented by FemShep's body type in a way I didn't feel represented by other games and loved it, I can't begrudge the short and/or curvy ladies who love playing as dwarves the validation some of them have posted about having felt from Alistair's romance being open to them, etc. (EDIT: And if this wasn't A Thing, which I have seen posted about many times, I wouldn't be saying that, because I imagine that last bit could come off as pretty condescending otherwise. I am not saying short humans are dwarf-like or anything, just that some short humans I know IRL and others whose posts I have read online especially enjoy playing as them.)

 

No, I can't see how anything I've posted can be taken as "hostile".  I find dark-haired men more attractive than blonde-haired men, too.  That doesn't mean I'm hostile in the least towards blonde-haired men, nor even that I can't appreciate why someone else might feel different than me.  Persons' attractions, to me, are nothing to be judged so critically.  What people find appealing, or not -- to me, that's not something I think can be truly controlled or dictated, in fact.

[Apricot]

It makes me mad that people are calling Cullen a racist for only being romanceable by humans and elves. Some people don't want to jump into/onto every person they come across. That doesn't make them racist. I guess people need a reason to just hate Cullen. It's not one, but hey, whatever.

 

It cracks me up that people react like these characters are real people. He's not going to stop being racist (if he was) because someone called him racist (if they did) because he's not actually a person. Someone may have written him that way for the purpose of the story they want to tell, but it's not like we're all making him feel bad. Of course, maybe we could if we could point it out to him in game. That'd be interesting.

[loominousfish]

I know it's speculation, but I keep seeing that the reason why Cullen may not want to romance dwarves is due to a difference in religion, and I mean, it could still be a reason (after all, this is all just speculation), but as people have pointed out, he can romance elves, who are Dalish, so that doesn't really make sense. Also, the only time I can remember him saying anything along those lines is when you bring Oghren to the Broken Circle quest, and in that case, I'm pretty sure he's talking specifically about Oghren and calling him a heathen rather than all dwarves in particular. 

 

I dunno, they said story reasons. Could be religious reasons, could not be. It could say, have something to do with lyrium, or the lyrium trade (and hey, that could be a religious reason in itself, sort of, since the Chantry controls the lyrium trade). Or how the Qunari attacked Kirkwall or something. Or maybe he's just not attracted to them. Or maybe it has something to do with the racial backgrounds in particular and not the entire race. I mean, dwarves are (ex?)-carta, and the qunari are/were a part of a mercenary band. Cullen seems pretty moral. And I'm rambling now. 

[DragonRacer]

It makes me mad that people are calling Cullen a racist for only being romanceable by humans and elves. Some people don't want to jump into/onto every person they come across. That doesn't make them racist. I guess people need a reason to just hate Cullen. It's not one, but hey, whatever.

 

Just wanted to add my support and sympathy. We've been getting a bit of folks like that in the Solas thread as well in regards to Solas only going for female elves.

 

Got quite a bit of racist/bigot/where's-your-open-mindedness-now sort of garbage. Mostly calmed down now, but after the initial announcement, it was rather rough.

 

I find it a bit mind-blowing, really, because people in real life are allowed to have preferences or natural likes/dislikes for romance. Why do we hold these characters to different standards?

[MacyNell]

What are they saying?

Suffice it to say some people think the devs should cater to their every desire and get very unreasonable when that does not happen. 

 

And here's a beautiful Cullen pic because I love it so much and Cullen is wonderful.....

 

Artist: http://reellifejanew...deviantart.com/

[Apricot]

I know it's speculation, but I keep seeing that the reason why Cullen may not want to romance dwarves is due to a difference in religion, and I mean, it could still be a reason (after all, this is all just speculation), but as people have pointed out, he can romance elves, who are Dalish, so that doesn't really make sense. Also, the only time I can remember him saying anything along those lines is when you bring Oghren to the Broken Circle quest, and in that case, I'm pretty sure he's talking specifically about Oghren and calling him a heathen rather than all dwarves in particular. 

 

I dunno, they said story reasons. Could be religious reasons, could not be. It could say, have something to do with lyrium, or the lyrium trade (and hey, that could be a religious reason in itself, sort of, since the Chantry controls the lyrium trade). Or how the Qunari attacked Kirkwall or something. Or maybe he's just not attracted to them. And I'm rambling now. 

 

I think we're all kind of rambling at this point. It's one of those things that will either make sense when we play the game, or it wont and we'll always be kind of irritated about it. The point being, I guess, that there's not much we can do about it but hope we find something to enjoy about what options we do have in the romance department.

[Ryzaki]

I think we're all kind of rambling at this point. It's one of those things, I think, that will either make sense when we play the game, or it wont and we'll always be kind of irritated about it. The point being, I guess, that there's not much we can do about it but hope we find something to enjoy about what options we do have in the romance department.

 

aww I would run out of likes *likes*

[Apricot]

aww I would run out of likes *likes*

 

It's the thought that counts!

[alwayshungry]

Greg Ellis ‏@ellisgreg  10s

“@pcgamer: Dragon Age: Inquisition's tactical view revealed in new screen: http://bit.ly/1qe3I7l ” What does this mean #cullenites ?

 

I don't know why, but that kinda made me laugh! 

[Lady Shayna]

aww I would run out of likes *likes*

 

I'll like it on behalf of both of us.  

[Ryzaki]

I'll like it on behalf of both of us.  

 

thx

 

It's the thought that counts!

 

 

Hopefully I can troll Cullen as a human fem mage. At least I have someone for her now. FemQunari's getting everyone else XD

[phyreblade74]

That's...not. Oi vey. Being attracted to female X because your attracted to female X is not a story reason. You can choose not to have a relationship with someone you find attractive. Much like not being attracted to X because you're not attracted to X isn't a story reason.

 

Being not attracted to X because traumatizing/humiliating/whatever moment Y made you afraid/disgusted/leery/etc of them is a story reason. (thus why I get the whole he's not into Qunari because of the Qunari seige of kirkwall thing. It's not my Qunari's fault but I get it.)

 

But him having a negative view of my character for something she wasn't involved in at all will endear me to him surely. Ah Cullen. You will get all the crappy jobs if that ends up being the case.

 

Also his negative considerations of dwarves involved their religious beliefs. You know an issue that dalish will also have.

 

But yeah all we can do is speculate til November.

 

And the devs have already said our inquisitors can only truly attract Cullen through the course of their actions, choices and decisions, too.  But romantic attractions have to start somewhere.  If every time you look at a person with gray skin and horns and remember that time a bunch of gray-skinned, horned people dragged innocent people through the streets or otherwise slaughtered them indiscriminately, it may be difficult to feel inclined to see them as a romantic interest.  If your personal experience with some particular group is negative, you may not look upon people from that group with real romantic interest, I mean. 

 

Hey, he's not attracted to men, either.  I don't think it requires some terrible trauma to explain that inclination of his, it's not as if he's been some victim of awful abuse and so that his lack of attraction to men is only then justified.  It's merely a subjective preference, shrug.

[Potato Cat]

Greg Ellis ‏@ellisgreg  10s
“@pcgamer: Dragon Age: Inquisition's tactical view revealed in new screen: http://bit.ly/1qe3I7l ” What does this mean #cullenites ?
 
I don't know why, but that kinda made me laugh! 

He's so adorable!

[Owlfruit Potion]

 

Greg Ellis ‏@ellisgreg  10s

“@pcgamer: Dragon Age: Inquisition's tactical view revealed in new screen: http://bit.ly/1qe3I7l ” What does this mean #cullenites ?

 

I don't know why, but that kinda made me laugh! 

 

As ahellbornlady pointed out, it is wicked cute how he's asking us for help. Looking forward to a lot of "??? what is elfroot halp" if he really does find time to play through.

[thats1evildude]

It also kinda pisses me off when people say the only reason Solas is attracted to elven females is because they're his baby maker. As if women could have no other use!

That's silly! Clearly it's because he's a vampire and requires the blood of elven women to fuel his immortality.

[Ryzaki]

And the devs have already said our inquisitors can only truly attract Cullen through the course of their actions, choices and decisions, too.  But romantic attractions have to start somewhere.  If every time you look at a person with gray skin and horns and remember that time a bunch of gray-skinned, horned people dragged innocent people through the streets or otherwise slaughtered them indiscriminately, it may be difficult to feel inclined to see them as a romantic interest.  If your personal experience with some particular group is negative, you may not look upon people from that group with real romantic interest, I mean. 

 

Hey, he's not attracted to men, either.  I don't think it requires some terrible trauma to explain that inclination of his, it's not as if he's been some victim of awful abuse and so that his lack of attraction to men is only then justified.  It's merely a subjective preference, shrug.

 

Yeah we're not going to agree on this and not to mention I already mentioned the Qunari thing making sense. But whatever I have no desire to run around in circles over something that's going to be answered anyway.

 

Good thing the devs didn't say there was a story reason for him being straight then isn't it? Only for the race gates. But whatever I'm done arguing this same point. It's tiresome and I feel like my cousin's hamster in that damn wheel.

[The Elder King]

I was expecting the racist comments after Cullen's announcement as race-gated. I'll see how the game will handle this topic.
I thought this was possible, though in my scenario Wall would've been bisexual...I wasn't really expecting this. I'm Sorry for all this e who wanted to romance him .

[Apricot]

 

Greg Ellis ‏@ellisgreg  10s

“@pcgamer: Dragon Age: Inquisition's tactical view revealed in new screen: http://bit.ly/1qe3I7l ” What does this mean #cullenites ?

 

I don't know why, but that kinda made me laugh! 

 

 

He's sort of adorably clueless isn't he?