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[brushyourteeth]

I personally view dwarves as stocky disgusting children look alikes.

 

Maybe Cullen is the same?

 

ahem...

 

 

Hey guys!!!

I just want to say that I'm a dwarf-player and built like a lady dwarf IRL and NO ONE is going to make me feel inferior about it, neither people on the forums who insist that dwarves are too short and ugly to love, nor the lack of validation from Cullen's race-gate. I'm gorgeous and haters can line up to the left. 

 

They are to me.

 

So yeah; Maybe its as simple aesthetics, if you can't get it up to a race, i don't see the issue.

 

I don't view every one that passes me in the office as attractive.

 

... I'm sure they're really upset about that. 

 

seriously bro, it's a message board. Everyone has an opinion. Saying "dwarves aren't my favorite" is plenty when it comes to describing your distaste for what's likely someone else's favorite thing (and maybe a reflection of what they look like irl). 

 

Just know that Bioware Forums are a lot like elementary school -- if you aren't nice, no one will like you.

[Not a Cat Doll]

ahem...

 

 

 

 

 

... I'm sure they're really upset about that. 

 

seriously bro, it's a message board. Everyone has an opinion. Saying "dwarves aren't my favorite" is plenty when it comes to describing your distaste for what's likely someone else's favorite thing (and maybe a reflection of what they look like irl). 

 

Just know that Bioware Forums are a lot like elementary school -- if you aren't nice, no one will like you.

I have to say that I like you, brushyourteeth.

[Panda]

Cullen actually specifys why he calls qunaris as heathens in the DA2 and the reason is because: "they will not stop until they have erased Chantry." So it's religious thing really. Tal-Vashoth Inquisitor in other hand isn't threat to chantry unless you want to play them that way (like you can every race). Of cource Cullen might not know difference between Qunari who follow and those who left Qun but after he gets to know Inquisitor he will. So that's why reasoning Cullen's race-gate with him thinking qunaris are heathens are is rather dull for me, we aren't Qun-following Qunari after all.

[Mrs.Chestbeard]

I'm fine with Cullen being race-gated, I planned to romance him with a human anyway. I'll just pair up my Qunari with Iron Bull and my dwarf with Josie, Sera or Blackwall.

I do feel that they could have made more of the LIs bi, though, if only to make more players happy.

 

Also, the "limited in scope" worries me a little, but I guess we'll just have to see how it goes.

 

 

*Delurks* Don't worry, they just meant limited as in not available to all race/gender combos!

 The content itself is still up to par with the "core LI's."

 

Here, Mike Laidlaw clarified this himself on twitter:

 

 

I hope this helps!

[Lorien19]

Yeah...Personally,the more I think about it the more I come to the conclusion that race-gating,while now adapted to fit their story-arc,is mainly a result of Cullen and Solas being upgraded to LI status later on.

Still,I'm really curious about his story reasons,since religious belief doesn’t appear to be the cause,because the Elfquisitor is Dalish,therefore non-Andrastian.

[john-in-france]

First, if you are disappointed for the race-gated Cullen....*HUGS*

 

I was expecting it, and for me personally it made some sense with his background from DAO and DA2. But yeah, sucks to be someone who had already planned their female quizzys expecting no race gate.

 

*HUGS* to all the sad pandas amongst the Cullenites.

[TreeHuggerHannah]

I'm really sorry for everyone who didn't get their desired pairing. *hugs* It's disappointing, and you have my complete sympathy, sincerely. I know they're just games, but we all obviously have feelings about them or we wouldn't be posting here. I wish everyone could somehow have exactly what they wanted.

 

I'm really glad we finally know, so people can start processing the disappointments before release and not be blindsided when we're supposed to be enjoying the excitement of a new game.

 

On a personal and completely selfish level, I was very happy to hear once and for all that Cullen is not gated against mages. This is going to sound silly, but I got a little teary about it, because I was seriously worried that everyone was going to reject my Inquisitor, and that made me sad because she's so sweet and cares so much about other people. Hearing that Tempest has a chance with Cullen after all was pretty uplifting of my mood. I realize they might still not get along, but based on what we know of Cullen I think they're quite compatible, so they have a shot if anyone does.

 

(I was also really happy about Blackwall. He's going to be my second playthrough romance for sure.)

 

As to the whys of the race-gating, I'm just going to wait and see. (I really hope it's not all about baby-making. That would be disappointing in terms of the view of women it represents and a fair bit of insensitivity toward people facing fertility challenges. I don't see any evidence that's the case, though, so I'm not going to fret about it unless it actually happens.) I feel like at this point I don't have enough information to speculate, so I'll decide how I feel about it when we know more.

[vieralynn]

Okay, I was joking a bit with that to ease the tension but sure, let me rephrase.

Original: Exactly! I mean, I don't like to engage in sexual intercourse with my house plants. Does that mean I dislike all house plants? No, it doesn't. House plants are cool.

Rephrased: Exactly! I mean, I don't like to engage in sexual intercourse with my Qunari/dwarven friends. Does that mean I dislike all Qunari and/or Dwarves? No, it doesn't. I have cool friends.

I'm not trying to say they're irrelevant or in any way less important than other characters. I'm simply saying that in regards to Cullen not romancing those races, it does not make him a racist. Like I said in my previous post, not everyone wants to bang every person they come across yet this seems to be the standard some people carry and therefore call Cullen a racist. I mean, I could say, maybe a Dwarven/Qunari female could come along that he falls head over heels for, and that would be awesome, but he's not a real person and his role in the game is imagined by someone else. Im surprised I haven't read about people calling him a homophobe, seeing as how he engages females only in a sexual way. I'm straight but does that mean I hate others who aren't straight? Heck no! I love all human beings. I'm sorry if I offended you with my sarcasm. It's hard to convey certain emotion through text. Thankfully, most of my fellow Cullenites know me and my humor by now, but I honestly didn't mean any offense by that post.

 

I think you should step back and THINK about what you just said because you have unintentionally said something very uncool.

 

Replace Qunari/Dwarven with a real world racial or ethnic group and re-read your statement:  "I don't like to engage in sexual intercourse with my ______ friends. Does that mean I dislike all _____ and/or ____? No, it doesn't. I have cool friends."

 

If someone said this using a real world racial or ethnic group, *that* is bigotry.  I suspect you didn't mean that, right?

 

After all, that is the exact same bigotry that drives some of fandom to white-mod characters because they think those mods make the characters more attractive. NOPE. Just nope.

 

Sure, a person can have certain preferences for types whom they are more attracted to, but when an entire racial group is automatically excluded, let's call it what it is. You say you are a straight female. If you automatically excluded all men of a certain race/ethnicity, could you excuse that by saying it is not bigotry? Or not some sort of internalized idea of beauty/attractiveness?  

 

Look, I find Cullen very interesting. He's a fascinating character but he has problems and very large biases, and I don't make excuses for them. We don't yet know the story reasons for why Cullen will only romance human and elven characters. As is, we have actual canonical evidence that points to him being a bigot toward dwarves and qunari, or at least being a very ignorant person regarding those of other races. 

 

So, until we know the story reasons for why Cullen is race-gated, please try to refrain from making the excuses you made because it maps horribly onto real world situations and -- trust me -- non-white fans side eye these kinds of excuses when made by fandom. So please don't be one of those people, okay?

[BioFan (Official)]

Hey guys!!!

I just want to say that I'm a dwarf-player and built like a lady dwarf IRL and NO ONE is going to make me feel inferior about it, neither people on the forums who insist that dwarves are too short and ugly to love, nor the lack of validation from Cullen's race-gate. I'm gorgeous and haters can line up to the left.

Really, I have to say that I DO think Cullen is racist (hear me out before the hackles get raised!)

I don't believe that Cullen is maliciously racist, definitely not the "kill the infidels!" type of racist. But I CAN believe that he could be the much more well-meaning (though no less ugly) type of racist where he's sincerely wondering things like "Is your blood the same color as mine?" Dwarves and Qunari may just feel so "other" amd so foreign that he doesnt yet know what to think of them. i think he's much more comfortable with the elves and humans that he grew up with his whole life rather than the dwarves and qunari who are much more of a mystery for him. Barring Sten (who he may never have run into) he may never have met a qunari until your inquisitor, and they have a reputation across Thedas for being monsters and fanatics who intend to conquer everything and stomp out the Chant. Dwarves aren't embraced by the Maker and don't even go to the same place as humans when they die, whereas even the Dalish pass into the Fade the same as humans do. I'm reminded of a really sweet comic Aimo did where Alistair came to her warden in tears because we was concerned that she'd return to the Stone when she died and he would be separated from her for eternity. That's a big fear! And Cullen's religion has always been important to him, whether fans have wanted that or not. The Chantry embraces elves in a really limited capacity and it's possible that elven Cullenmancers will have to deal with him trying to convert them all game long (Maker forbid.)

It's really quite possible that it just takes Cullen longer than the length of the game to get over these issues.

And I love Cullen. I'm excited to romance him with a non-dwarf character. I'm not upset by this announcement -- I still have sooo many more options than I did I DAII, and playing a dwarf isn't everything. We'll have a great friendship and I'll still love him a lot, and he WILL love me back even if he isn't giving me all the secks. ;D

 

 

 

HI BRUSH!!!!       

 

 

That's a very good point and now it kinda makes sense.... ish. 

[vieralynn]

Here is a really good article that is relevant to this fandom:  How to be a fan of problematic things.

[Lorien19]

Her, lol.

 

But you also said physical attraction is subjective.  Therefore, you contradicted yourself -- because it's impossible to disagree with someone's merely subjective opinions.  Unless what you're saying is that it's at all appropriate to put rules to people's attractions.  As in, "you must not find this or that particular physical trait unappealing".

That's a bit late but a girl has to sleep...But  whoa when did I say that?I just disagreed with her statement that dwarves aren't as pretty as the elves because, it's MY opinion and it's subjective.Of course it's possible to disagree with someone's subjective opinions, it's what makes them subjective in the first place.
So all things considered, I believe I have every right to agree or disagree with this statement.I didn't demand from her to change her opinion according to what I do or don't consider attractive.

I'd appreciate it if you didn't put words in my mouth that I didn't say or imply.I think it's more than ok to discuss our opinions whether we agree or disagree with each-other.

 

 

[Asperath]

Wow FINALLY caught up and somewhat in shock!

I really didn't think Blackwall would be an LI but I happy for those who wanted to romance him, I might actually give him a go in one of my later PTs.

 

I'm sorry for those who are disappointed with Cullen being race-gated

I can't say I'm really surprised, I had suspected but I was hoping I was wrong because it was only a feeling I had and nothing really was giving that away.

 

I do wonder why they waited til now to reveal that though?

 

 

/hugs to all!

[alwayshungry]

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[Milady]

Really like his pleased look. Lol, the smugness!

[The Elder King]

On the topic of the female elf, I laughed yesterday that the PC that has more options is the one I'm less likely to play, due to the noodle arms shown in the official site and the combat trailer .

[Ananka]

*Delurks* Don't worry, they just meant limited as in not available to all race/gender combos!

 The content itself is still up to par with the "core LI's."

 

Here, Mike Laidlaw clarified this himself on twitter:

 

 

I hope this helps!

 

Thank you for that clarification I'm glad to hear that

[Panda]

On the topic of the female elf, I laughed yesterday that the PC that has more options is the one I'm less likely to play, due to the noodle arms shown in the official site and the combat trailer .

 

I have to agree..

 

I'm pretty skinny and weak myself but I want to play strong looking women in the games. Kinda ideal of what i want to be so qunari for me was good news. Also I don't like making dalish characters much, I did it in DAO but I find creating backstories for them hard. It's always about 1) I hate being dalish or 2) I hate shemlen. City elves would have been better in my point of view.

[Caja]

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I like the angry and silly ones. Gosh, it's so hard to draw consistent characters. I don't know how comic artists do that.

[Iceyone]

Complete change of tact for me, I'm not going to get involved in the rights or wrongs, at this stage its not even productive. I was just thinking and decided to jot it down.

 

I took a step back and considered how the writers might be feeling this morning, maybe they don't care but I have a notion, some of them are pretty hurt at some of the posts and responses.

They have grown, cultivated, nurtured and lived inside these characters for such a long time, undoubtably emotionally attached and proud of them. I imagine very similar but on a grander scale to how we have built up and grown attached to our own Inquisitors, we have only dabbled though, imagine bulding your quizzy with the depth of information and knowledge that the writers have when they write a character. Our attachment to our Inquisitors, I think, pales into insignificance. That said, I imagine many of us wouldn't take to kindly to somebody with only half-stories and half-truths about our Inquisitors motivations and backstories, literally tearing our characters apart. That's what some of us are doing now with Bioware.

I briefly browsed some of the other "hot" topics and it makes me sad, sad to read the bickering and at times outright venom and vitriol but even sadder to think of David or Sheryl or any of the Bioware folks reading some of the things currently being said about their world, their characters & their creations.

 

Constructive criticism is often a good thing but there is a difference between being constructive and destructive.

If you really dislike Bioware and/or it's decisions, sure thing make your point, it's one of only two powers you have, they've said on more than one occasion that they appreciate the feedback. If that still isn't enough for you, you use the only other power you have left and don't buy the game. It really is that simple.

 

Given what I've read, although I personally would be upset, I wouldn't be atall surprised if DA4 ended up with no romance content atall. I just can't fathom why the Bioware writers put themselves through this nonsense, every. single. time. I love and appreciate them for doing so but it must be really difficult for them at times like this.

 

 

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Sweet!! I want to see silly Cullen

[Tishina]

As far as the specific story reasons for Cullen, until we actually see them in game context in November, all we're doing is speculating. Though I've been surprised not to see anyone suggest he had an elven parent so far, I rather hope that isn't one of the reasons since people tend to draw a parallel between him and Alistair already. Cullen's personality seems quite different to me, but it's easy for people to seize on the obvious things (blonde, human, ex-templar, etc.)

[Urazz]

First, if you are disappointed for the race-gated Cullen....*HUGS*

 

I was expecting it, and for me personally it made some sense with his background from DAO and DA2. But yeah, sucks to be someone who had already planned their female quizzys expecting no race gate.

 

*HUGS* to all the sad pandas amongst the Cullenites.

And that's their fault for planning out their Inquisitors in such detail already and not expecting to have to change things around based upon that.  My second playthrough was gonig to be a female dwarf romancing Varric but he turned out to not be an option so I adjusted it to be a female Qunari who is going to romance Iron Bull.

[The Elder King]

I have updated some of my characters and their romances. I'd like to share with you guys:
Male Dalish mage: Fëanor Lavellan, Josephine.
Male Qunari mage: Ataash Adaar, Dorian.
Male human warrior: Gawain Trevalyan, Cassandra.
Male dwarf warrior: Thorin Cadah, Cassandra.
Female human mage: Rebekah Trevalyan, Cullen.
Female dwarf rogue: Arya Cadash, Blackwall.
Female qunari rogue: Asaaranda Adaar, Iron Bull.
Female human warrior: Brianne Trevalyan, Sera.
Female Dalish mage: Luthien Lavellan, Solas.

[Tishina]

I have updated some of my characters and their romances. I'd like to share with you guys:
Male Dalish mage: Fëanor Lavellan, Josephine.
Male Qunari mage: Ataash Adaar, Dorian.
Male human warrior: Gawain Trevalyan, Cassandra.
Male dwarf warrior: Thorin Cadah, Cassandra.
Male qunari warrior: Kata Adaar, Josephine.
Female human mage: Rebekah Trevalyan, Cullen.
Female dwarf rogue: Arya Cadash, Blackwall.
Female qunari rogue: Asaaranda Adaar, Iron Bull.
Female human warrior: Brianne Trevalyan, Sera.
Female Dalish mage: Luthien Lavellan, Solas.

Wow, you've got them all planned down to the names! I usually only plan the first couple in detail since once I'm in the game and discover the actual personalities, my ideas change.

[BioFan (Official)]

I have updated some of my characters and their romances. I'd like to share with you guys:
Male Dalish mage: Fëanor Lavellan, Josephine.
Male Qunari mage: Ataash Adaar, Dorian.
Male human warrior: Gawain Trevalyan, Cassandra.
Male dwarf warrior: Thorin Cadah, Cassandra.
Male qunari warrior: Kata Adaar, Josephine.
Female human mage: Rebekah Trevalyan, Cullen.
Female dwarf rogue: Arya Cadash, Blackwall.
Female qunari rogue: Asaaranda Adaar, Iron Bull.
Female human warrior: Brianne Trevalyan, Sera.
Female Dalish mage: Luthien Lavellan, Solas.

 

 

 

I did that as well:

[The Elder King]

Wow, you've got them all planned down to the names! I usually only plan the first couple in detail since once I'm in the game and discover the actual personalities, my ideas change.

To be fair, I only planned deeply Fëanor. The others are really vague at the moment . The names and classes won't change though. Their romances (again, other then Fëanor) might not go well after I develop their personalities .

I did that as well:

That's impressive .