The Official Cullen Discussion Thread v.3.0
#71651
Posté 06 septembre 2014 - 03:26
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#71652
Posté 06 septembre 2014 - 03:26
I've loved and enjoyed all the Bioware games I've played so far, although I understand where some people come from with their disappointment with regards certain elements.
I play them for what they are, I rarely spot inconsistancies in lore or plot (I'm not the brightest bulb in the box, so I often miss the obvious lol), this allows me to appreciate what I see in the moment without reading too much into things or second guessing. I can only imagine how frustrating it must be for lore fiends when something is contradicted or retconned, it has just never bothered me in the slightest *shrug*.
My concern with Cullen as a character has less to do with a potential lyrium addiction and more to do with how unlikeable I've found him in both previous games. I don't have an issue with him being in Inquisition as he does seem to make sense from a story perspective, but I have a feeling I'll be less than cordial. My character is going to be very much about freedom and I don't think him and a bigot--like Cullen--will get along very well.
It is absolutely your choice to see it that way, although I don't agree that he is a bigot by the time DAI comes around. Hopefully you will see a more positive side to him in game ![]()
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#71653
Posté 06 septembre 2014 - 03:29
I don't believe he is either, especially after the events in DA 2. By this point, he's older and having seen his fair share of different things. And if he is willing to work with different races in Inquisition, I don't believe he is that much of a bigot. Or, at least, he doesn't allow it to rule him.
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#71654
Posté 06 septembre 2014 - 03:39
I expect my qunari mage will get on quite well with him. He was actually her intended LI before the final reveal because I'd given up hope for Blackwall and figured Cullen would be the main LI for women and therefore ungated. Oops. I'n still trying to come up with a way to make what I thought worked about Cullen/Adaar with one of the available backgrounds.
So I don't hate him, My favorite ME characters are Miranda and Thane for heaven's sake. I'm just having a bit of trouble having a young Inquisitor's fancy turn to thoughts of love.
#71655
Posté 06 septembre 2014 - 03:40
My concern with Cullen as a character has less to do with a potential lyrium addiction and more to do with how unlikeable I've found him in both previous games. I don't have an issue with him being in Inquisition as he does seem to make sense from a story perspective, but I have a feeling I'll be less than cordial. My character is going to be very much about freedom and I don't think him and a bigot--like Cullen--will get along very well.
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#71656
Posté 06 septembre 2014 - 03:41
I expect my qunari mage will get on quite well with him. He was actually her intended LI before the final reveal because I'd given up hope for Blackwall and figured Cullen would be the main LI for women and therefore ungated. Oops. I'n still trying to come up with a way to make what I thought worked about Cullen/Adaar with one of the available backgrounds.
So I don't hate him, My favorite ME characters are Miranda and Thane for heaven's sake. I'm just having a bit of trouble having a young Inquisitor's fancy turn to thoughts of love.
If you don't mind me asking, how do you have your qunari mage?
#71657
Posté 06 septembre 2014 - 03:43
I don't believe he is either, especially after the events in DA 2. By this point, he's older and having seen his fair share of different things. And if he is willing to work with different races in Inquisition, I don't believe he is that much of a bigot. Or, at least, he doesn't allow it to rule him.
Yeah, I feel the same way. I'm a big believer in redemption, and I think a person can change and grow, and as long as they're going in the right direction, that is all we can ask. Cullen seemed to be making progress in the right direction during the course of DA2. I'm going to wait and see what is going on with him in Inquistion before making those judgment calls.
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#71658
Posté 06 septembre 2014 - 03:46
Yeah, I feel the same way. I'm a big believer in redemption, and I think a person can change and grow, and as long as they're going in the right direction, that is all we can ask. Cullen seemed to be making progress in the right direction during the course of DA2. I think it would behoove everyone to wait and see what is going on with him in Inquistion before making those judgment calls.
They can make their opinion, of course, but I always think waiting to see before judging is sometimes the best course. Sometimes I don't, but I try to keep that thought with some things. With Cullen, after DA 2, I am optimistic that he has change for the best. I am curious for in-story reasons with his race gating, but that's not a deal breaker with me unless he is a hardcore racist.
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#71659
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Posté 06 septembre 2014 - 03:47
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Hey, I certainly am going to give the guy a chance. If he's came around and realized the error of his ways and is willing to work with me in securing freedom for those who deserve it then I'll have no issues with him. All I can go off of is my personal experiences with Cullen from the perspective of my characters and that hasn't been very positive.
#71660
Posté 06 septembre 2014 - 03:50
Hey, I certainly am going to give the guy a chance. If he's came around and realized the error of his ways and is willing to work with me in securing freedom for those who deserve it then I'll have no issues with him. All I can go off of is my personal experiences with Cullen from the perspective of my characters and that hasn't been very positive.
I don't think he is going to support full-force freedom for mages. After Origins, I can't see him supporting that. However, I do believe he would want things to change to benefit both the mages and templars.
#71661
Posté 06 septembre 2014 - 03:54
In honest regards to Cullen's character in DAO, I will say that he is pretty damn bigoted, full stop.
DA2, it's a bit more grey, but I still have very fervent memories of him spouting that "Divine Right" crap against mages, which made me want to Fireball him. However, the reason that I am interested in him now is to see how having his faith shattered by Meredith affects him, cause he is at a crossroads. Also, I want to know what he's been up to since the Gallows fell and Kirkwall fell to magic.
#71662
Posté 06 septembre 2014 - 03:56
I honestly hope he doesn't lose his faith, but decides to see things differently on certain things, particularly the situation with the mages.
#71663
Posté 06 septembre 2014 - 03:59
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#71664
Posté 06 septembre 2014 - 04:05
If you don't mind me asking, how do you have your qunari mage?
Ooh I love talking about my PCs.
Adaar (no names yet because I don't have a sense of the naming scheme for Vashoth) was going to be fairly...practical (in the no we are not going to stop for the civilians while the keep is under attack sense, not in the kick puppies sense) Her goal was to stop the breach before any other concerns. She was a soldier and had seen the worst of life, so idealism was suspect. But she was also curious and creative in her magic, part;y because the Qun would never have allowed it. Templars never really registered as a threat. Her own hands weren't clean so she can't judge Cullen.
When the gates were revealed, I pretty much took the soldiering and built a new character to reflect getting Blackwall. But I'm still expecting her to be military-focused and get along great with Cass and Cullen. She's more iwilling to help others for one.
But I was looking forward to pairing him with a pragmatic sort,colder and not inclined to judge him.
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#71665
Posté 06 septembre 2014 - 04:07
I think all templars exhibit the withdrawal symptoms if they don't get their regular dose, so yes, Cullen's an addict. Really, being a templar and a Warden are quite similar. The role is necessary, and there's a horrible, inescapable cost. It's not a matter of if you'll lose yourself but when.
Yup, he is. There's no way to prevent or cure lyrium addiction.Cullen's definitely addicted. A Knight Captain for nearly ten years, in Kirkwall? Oh yeah, he's hooked.
Granted, you don't need to chug lyrium after lyrium to keep the addiction in check. At least, that's what Asunder shown.
Indeed he was in DAO. While I don't agree with his stance back then though, I understand why he felt that way, expecially considering that he was still been tortured moments before our arrival. Same about Fenris.In honest regards to Cullen's character in DAO, I will say that he is pretty damn bigoted, full stop.
DA2, it's a bit more grey, but I still have very fervent memories of him spouting that "Divine Right" crap against mages, which made me want to Fireball him. However, the reason that I am interested in him now is to see how having his faith shattered by Meredith affects him, cause he is at a crossroads. Also, I want to know what he's been up to since the Gallows fell and Kirkwall fell to magic.
I think in DA2 he shown some development between the start to the game and the end (sadly, the most can be seen only on templar route). I'm interested as well in how he reacted to Meredith and the templars' actions in DA2, and Gaider's response to that fanmade dialogue makes me hopeful on his character development going were I thought and I hope it'll go.
Plus, what the blurb stated he did between DA2 and DAI makes him a badass.
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#71666
Posté 06 septembre 2014 - 04:08
Ooh I love talking about my PCs.
Adaar (no names yet because I don't have a sense of the naming scheme for Vashoth) was going to be fairly...practical (in the no we are not going to stop for the civilians while the keep is under attack sense, not in the kick puppies sense) Her goal was to stop the breach before any other concerns. She was a soldier and had seen the worst of life, so idealism was suspect. But she was also curious and creative in her magic, part;y because the Qun would never have allowed it. Templars never really registered as a threat. Her own hands weren't clean so she can't judge Cullen.
When the gates were revealed, I pretty much took the soldiering and built a new character to reflect getting Blackwall. But I'm still expecting her to be military-focused and get along great with Cass and Cullen. She's more iwilling to help others for one.
But I was looking forward to pairing him with a pragmatic sort,colder and not inclined to judge him.
Ooh, I love this character! I have been trying to decide if my Adaar character, who is suppose to be with Iron Bull, will be mage or not. Depends on my Lavellan character, I guess.
At least she will get along with Cullen and Cass. ![]()
#71667
Posté 06 septembre 2014 - 04:18
Well what I typed up was the Adaar tailored to Cullen. She's more noble now. I'd like to translate the original one into something for Cullen but I'm drawing a blank.
#71668
Posté 06 septembre 2014 - 04:19
Well what I typed up was the Adaar tailored to Cullen. She's more noble now. I'd like to translate the original one into something for Cullen but I'm drawing a blank.
Hm...well, I guess the first thing to think is which race do you see Cullen with?
#71669
Posté 06 septembre 2014 - 04:30
Cullen's definitely addicted. A Knight Captain for nearly ten years, in Kirkwall? Oh yeah, he's hooked.
So, he's the stoner romance. Cullen is the Oghren of DAI in his down time. Do I smell the Cullen romance starting as one night stand when he's higher than Skyhold.
#71670
Posté 06 septembre 2014 - 04:32
Hm...well, I guess the first thing to think is which race do you see Cullen with?
I think Dalish would be easier. I have this image of Trevelyan as fairly sheltered. Plus the Lavellans areprotectors and leaders, like Cullen, And, hm, the Dalish we've met did seem to like dealing with problems with a certain degree of certainty. My Dalish mage is pretty noble and wanting to save everyone but maybe a hunter wouldn't be?
Sorry, just thinking out loud.
#71671
Posté 06 septembre 2014 - 04:33
My character is going to be very much about freedom and I don't think him and a bigot--like Cullen--will get along very well.
Right like people who care more about "some" people being allowed to live among regular folks more then the potential danger that can be caused from that have any room to talk about intolerance of bigotry.
:/ its fine to condemn Thedas to demons, possessions and the like because we need to turn Thedas social policy into 21st century Sweden!
#71672
Posté 06 septembre 2014 - 04:33
With Iron Bull as a romance? I don't think soSo, he's the stoner romance. Cullen is the Oghren of DAI in his down time. Do I smell the Cullen romance starting as one night stand when he's higher than Skyhold.
The fact that he's addicted doesn't mean he's high. Unless the suffer from some side-effects (which depends a lot one Willpower. Gregoir is very old and he was still fine), consuming lyrium doesn't cchange your behaviour.
#71673
Posté 06 septembre 2014 - 04:34
I am really curious how DA:I will handle the issue of lyrium addiction.
Cullen went without lyrium for quite some time when he was captured by Uldred. Will there be some sort de-tox process developed, or will all Templars without comnstant, regular access to lyrium become raving lunatics?
Samson seemed to fair better than the man (cant recall his name) imprisoned in Howe's basement in DA:O. Samson was accessing lyrium for sure, but not necessarily in regular doses.
As for Cullen being a bigot - I think it is fair to say that after being tortured by a Mage mercilessly for days, weeks, months, and watching all his fellow templars being slaughtered by Mages - his reaction to mages afterwards (hatred and fear) was understable. Over time and with the experiences at the Gallows he has probably become less "bigoted" towards mages. Let's not forget that Cullen's underlying feelings about mages was positive (pre-tortured Cullen)
Cullen's religious conviction would likley also lead him to have preferences towards those who share his religious beliefs - not neccessarily making him a bigot. There are lots opf people who prefer to marry, for example, inside their own culture, race or religion - but I don't think thats because they are all bigots.
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#71674
Posté 06 septembre 2014 - 04:37
#71675
Posté 06 septembre 2014 - 04:40
I am really curious how DA:I will handle the issue of lyrium addiction.
Cullen went without lyrium for quite some time when he was captured by Uldred. Will there be some sort de-tox process developed, or will all Templars without comnstant, regular access to lyrium become raving lunatics?
They're gonna handwave the hell out of that. You can argue that he was a young enough member at the time not to have any major addiction to the substance, so he could hold out longer.
Regardless, as we see with Evangeline in Asunder, a Knight Captain level member can more than likely go a week or a little more without having any issues. As Cullen was a Knight Captain for about a decade, he's probably even more addicted than she was.
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