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[Chrys]

Anora never marries if she's alone on the throne. In fact, all outcomes point to a succession crisis in the future - sole king Alistair will probably end up just as heirless regardless of marriage.

[R2s Muse]

By the way, I do not have source nor do I remember where I heard or read this from, but I think there is some dialogue with Alistair and his GW Queen about having children or a child. I think he said he knew of two Grey Wardens who had a child so while it is nearly impossible, there still is that small chance. 

 

Speaking of which do you think it is possible for a child of two GWs to have an immunity to the taint, as in they would not have a death sentence over their head as soon as they were born? Also imagine if Blackwall is a child of two passed GWs, that would be interesting at least in my eyes it would be. 

 

 

Well an Alistair/Warden pairing is infertile, so there never will be any bastards (or legitimate children in a royal marriage with Ciusland) so yeah, he needs those heirs. And mistress Warden gets to be a Fereldan Madame du Pompadour and never has to worry about being divorced because of said infertility. Not a bad deal, reallly.

I believe it was DG who said that two grey wardens can't have children by normal means, but it doesn't rule out non-normal means. So he seemed to stop short of saying 'impossible.'

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[QueenofFereldan]

So by non-normal means...help from a mage?

[Zarro-Morningstar]

I believe it was DG who said that two grey wardens can't have children by normal means, but it doesn't rule out non-normal means. So he seemed to stop short of saying 'impossible.'

You see I have problems of hearing things or reading things, but I can never remember where I gathered this information from. I think also subconsciously imagine information, but eh I would rather have an overactive imagination rather than no imagination. So thank you for clearing that up

[Zarro-Morningstar]

So by non-normal means...help from a mage?

This mage playthrough is looking up...for this Amell at least...after the incident with Neria I kind of forced myself not to play a mage. Since it was my first PT having a character actually romance someone other than Leliana or Morrigan, I did not know what Alistair would do if he was in a romance with your character and in the final battle. Needless to say...I was traumatized for quite some time. 

[Sifr]

I wonder, while Cullen is attracted to Elves, how would he feel about having an Elf-blooded child?

 

While we know that a lot of humans take elven lovers, it does seems like something that's considered an embarrassment, at least when it comes to nobility? I don't think Cullen wouldn't accept an Elf-blooded child, but how do you think he'd deal with the social stigma, even if it's mother was the Inquisitor?

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*BABY SEAL NOISES*

[R2s Muse]

So by non-normal means...help from a mage?

I believe he gave an example of... magical means or something... sadly, the overtired memory isn't what it used to be...

 

You see I have problems of hearing things or reading things, but I can never remember where I gathered this information from. I think also subconsciously imagine information, but eh I would rather have an overactive imagination rather than no imagination. So thank you for clearing that up

I would attempt to clear it up more by citing the post... but my sasafrasafrakkindkskfjkdj bookmarks from the old BSN aren't even CLOSE to working this time. But I believe the DA:O thread  was called "- Is there really any point in warden being marride to King/Queen cause of the taint "

[Zarro-Morningstar]

I wonder, while Cullen is attracted to Elves, how would he feel about having an Elf-blooded child?

 

While we know that a lot of humans take elven lovers, it does seems like something that's considered an embarrassment, at least when it comes to nobility? I don't think Cullen wouldn't accept an Elf-blooded child, but how do you think he'd deal with the social stigma, even if it's mother was the Inquisitor?

Considering the Inquisitor could kind of...rain demons down on the nobility if he or she wanted to...I don't think this really applies to her in this case. However, regarding Cullen...hmm...I don't know I don't think he would be thrilled about it but I also don't think he would be an ass about it.

[Tishina]

I'm not entirely sure a human mage's child, if a non-mage, would automatically be excluded from the succession, since an Amell is from a noble family herself. Of course, there's the difficulty of keeping the chantry from taking the child when born...

[Zarro-Morningstar]

I believe he gave an example of... magical means or something... sadly, the overtired memory isn't what it used to be...

 

I would attempt to clear it up more by citing the post... but my sasafrasafrakkindkskfjkdj bookmarks from the old BSN aren't even CLOSE to working this time. But I believe the DA:O thread  was called "- Is there really any point in warden being marride to King/Queen cause of the taint "

Hmmm...I believe it may be time for me to allow my inner Sherlock to take over! I will search for this thread...Maker knows it will probably take a while but eh the journey is always half the fun.

[Sable Rhapsody]

I wonder, while Cullen is attracted to Elves, how would he feel about having an Elf-blooded child?

 

While we know that a lot of humans take elven lovers, it does seems like something that's considered an embarrassment, at least when it comes to nobility? I don't think Cullen wouldn't accept an Elf-blooded child, but how do you think he'd deal with the social stigma, even if it's mother was the Inquisitor?

 

From what we saw of Halamshiral in Masked Empire and Feynriel in DA2, most elf-blooded children are raised by the elven parent because the human parent more often than not wants nothing to do with them    The elven mother being powerful and influential would certainly help a lot against the social stigma.  After all, the Warden-Commander's race in DA:A is very rarely brought up, even if the Warden is an elf.

 

If anything, I'd worry more about the stigma from the Dalish side, since the Dalish are not generally welcoming of human/elf pairings.

[Zarro-Morningstar]

I'm not entirely sure a human mage's child, if a non-mage, would automatically be excluded from the succession, since an Amell is from a noble family herself. Of course, there's the difficulty of keeping the chantry from taking the child when born...

Tishina...I have been debating the thing with Amell being a noble for a few nights now and not being recognized for it. I realize that the Amells are pretty much trashed but they are still technically a Noble House, the mage who is an Amell is still technically a Noble. You see I will use Game of Thrones for an example. Jon Snow is a bastard but even so he is still considered to be a noble in King's Landing, now I am not saying he isn't ridiculed but he is technically a noble. And that is how most medieval societies worked, on technicality and since DA follows these...it is kind of...annoying to me at least that there is no credit. Hell, if we go by technicality then the Amell Mage is higher than Anora.

[Tishina]

I wonder, while Cullen is attracted to Elves, how would he feel about having an Elf-blooded child?

 

While we know that a lot of humans take elven lovers, it does seems like something that's considered an embarrassment, at least when it comes to nobility? I don't think Cullen wouldn't accept an Elf-blooded child, but how do you think he'd deal with the social stigma, even if it's mother was the Inquisitor?

I've wondered if Cullen might not be elf-blooded himself. And there's a hint that one of the Fereldan banns may be half-blooded himself. If you go into the Gnawed Noble during the Landsmeet when all the nobles are gossiping, the one who always votes with Loghain will refer to the man at the back talking to the woman (sister to the Templar in Howe's dungeon) as "half-breed" I believe. Of course, since he has an accent, it MIGHT mean he's half-Orlesian, but I took it as elf-blooded (let me go see if I can trigger that dialogue). But yes, it would be a major issue since I don't think most Dalish clans will let a human-blooded child be raised within the clan.

[Zarro-Morningstar]

I've wondered if Cullen might not be elf-blooded himself. And there's a hint that one of the Fereldan banns may be half-blooded himself. If you go into the Gnawed Noble during the Landsmeet when all the nobles are gossiping, the one who always votes with Loghain will refer to the man at the back talking to the woman (sister to the Templar in Howe's dungeon) as "half-breed" I believe. Of course, since he has an accent, it MIGHT mean he's half-Orlesian, but I took it as elf-blooded (let me go see if I can trigger that dialogue). But yes, it would be a major issue since I don't think most Dalish clans will let a human-blooded child be raised within the clan.

Feynerial?

[riverbanks]

Tishina...I have been debating the thing with Amell being a noble for a few nights now and not being recognized for it. I realize that the Amells are pretty much trashed but they are still technically a Noble House, the mage who is an Amell is still technically a Noble. You see I will use Game of Thrones for an example. Jon Snow is a bastard but even so he is still considered to be a noble in King's Landing, now I am not saying he isn't ridiculed but he is technically a noble. And that is how most medieval societies worked, on technicality and since DA follows these...it is kind of...annoying to me at least that there is no credit. Hell, if we go by technicality then the Amell Mage is higher than Anora.

 

The problem in this specific case is not that the Amell family is trashed or not, though, but simply that the Amell Warden is a mage. Mages are removed from nobility and stripped of all claims to name and land upon being taken to the Circle. The Amell family is still noble, the Amell mage is no one. It may not match other fantasy worlds, but this is the lore in Dragon Age - once you show magical power, you no longer have any claim to nobility, and will never have again.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Feynerial?

 

Feynriel IMO was a special case due to being somniari.  The Sabrae clan also seems relatively welcoming to strangers since Marethari gives the PC a severe tongue-lashing for shooting human intruders.  They're certainly a lot nicer than other clans we've seen.

[Chrys]

From what we saw of Halamshiral in Masked Empire and Feynriel in DA2, most elf-blooded children are raised by the elven parent because the human parent more often than not wants nothing to do with them    The elven mother being powerful and influential would certainly help a lot against the social stigma.  After all, the Warden-Commander's race in DA:A is very rarely brought up, even if the Warden is an elf.

 

If anything, I'd worry more about the stigma from the Dalish side, since the Dalish are not generally welcoming of human/elf pairings.

 

Actually, the wiki says most elf-blooded live among humans and that Halamshiral and Feynriel are special cases. That matches my memories of some codex somewhere.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Actually, the wiki says most elf-blooded live among humans and that Halamshiral and Feynriel are special cases. That matches my memories of some codex somewhere.

 

Oops.  My relative ignorance of the lore surrounding elves shows itself  Thanks for the correction.

[Tishina]

Feynerial?

Nope, Arl Bryland, and it turns out he's half Orlesian after all. Oh well.

[fontofnothing]

I believe he gave an example of... magical means or something... sadly, the overtired memory isn't what it used to be...

 

I would attempt to clear it up more by citing the post... but my sasafrasafrakkindkskfjkdj bookmarks from the old BSN aren't even CLOSE to working this time. But I believe the DA:O thread  was called "- Is there really any point in warden being marride to King/Queen cause of the taint "

 

Here's what DG said in this post:

 

A Grey Warden can have a child... just not with another Grey Warden. So in the case of Alistair being married to a female PC the only possible result is no heir (unless Alistair has a child with someone other than his wife, I suppose). Grey Wardens have a limited chance of conception with a non-Grey Warden, but it does happen... and the child is not tainted in any fashion.

 

Well... just because it's never happened doesn't mean it never could, I suppose. There are always exceptions. So if you involve some mysterious Tevinter fertility charm... why not? Really I'm just talking about the fact that Grey Wardens never produce offspring together naturally. Unnaturally is an entirely different story.

 

I'll point out that Alistair does bring this up, and in fact breaks up with a female player because he feels it's his duty to bear children -- unless she convinces him that there are more important things, like being happy.

If being able to marry the man you love is insufficient because you must also bear his children in order for you to be happy, then sure. I guess you'll be unhappy -- barring some kind of unforeseen circumstance occuring.

And my second post was not a pat-pat on the poster's head to make her feel better... there are always ways that these sorts of rules can get circumvented. Alistair did not, after all, say to you "two Grey Wardens cannot have children, except for the extremely rare possibility of them recovering the Holy Elixir of Saradesh or somehow purging their blood of the taint through unknown sorts of blood magic... but normally? Not a chance."

As far as anyone (including Alistair) knows, under normal circumstances two Grey Wardens cannot have children with each other. I didn't mention unknown exceptions because they're unknown -- that should just be assumed. And that's just the way it is.

[Zarro-Morningstar]

The problem in this specific case is not that the Amell family is trashed or not, though, but simply that the Amell Warden is a mage. Mages are removed from nobility and stripped of all claims to name and land upon being taken to the Circle. The Amell family is still noble, the Amell mage is no one. It may not match other fantasy worlds, but this is the lore in Dragon Age - once you show magical power, you no longer have any claim to nobility, and will never have again.

There is a loophole....there is always a loophole, lol! I don't know if there is one but you can count on me to try and find one! Like what if...this family has been in power since forever but then everyone is killed by the noble child who is a part of the Ciricle. Now let's say they have a great mind and they are even better leaders, I think maybe that mage would be able to rule...if not then you know what? TIVENTER FOR THE WIN!

 

Feynriel IMO was a special case due to being somniari.  The Sabrae clan also seems relatively welcoming to strangers since Marethari gives the PC a severe tongue-lashing for shooting human intruders.  They're certainly a lot nicer than other clans we've seen.

True I think he is a special case as well but...wait what about the MP character that was raised Dalish? The archer I think?

 

I always the Sabrae clan...until I each gave each a chop to the neck...which resulted in me reloading.

[Zarro-Morningstar]

Nope, Arl Bryland, and it turns out he's half Orlesian after all. Oh well.

Eh you tried, that's all that matters

[Tishina]

The problem in this specific case is not that the Amell family is trashed or not, though, but simply that the Amell Warden is a mage. Mages are removed from nobility and stripped of all claims to name and land upon being taken to the Circle. The Amell family is still noble, the Amell mage is no one. It may not match other fantasy worlds, but this is the lore in Dragon Age - once you show magical power, you no longer have any claim to nobility, and will never have again.

I'm not sure it's clear that a mage's non-mage children will be forever stripped of the rank. And isn't a mage Hawke an exception to this as well? I suspect the devs have some flexibility on this-if they want it.