True I think he is a special case as well but...wait what about the MP character that was raised Dalish? The archer I think?
I always the Sabrae clan...until I each gave each a chop to the neck...which resulted in me reloading.
He's not raised Dalish. The Dalish teach him how to hunt and survive, but send him away once he's 16 and capable of taking care of himself. He's got no vallasin either.
Oops. My relative ignorance of the lore surrounding elves shows itself
Thanks for the correction.
Not really a correction, just adding to the discussion. My lore knowledge has a billion gaps 
It seems that in some places the elf-blooded are raised among humans precisely to conceal their elven parentage and avoid the social stigma. That doesn't necessarily mean raised by the human parent though, since in most cases they seem to be unwanted.
True I think he is a special case as well but...wait what about the MP character that was raised Dalish? The archer I think?
Wasn't he allowed to stay only long enough to learn skills to survive, then pushed out?
Here's what DG said in this post:
Thank you so much for finding this! I searched for the thread but it said there was no such thread, so I started sifting through the pages. So this helps clear up some of my cloudiness...but still I have one word that could change everything...MAGIC. *Cue the song "Magic"*
Wasn't the story Leliana tells of the original Aveline about a human child raised by Dalish? It's less clear that she was sent away involuntarily, of course, so there does seem to be some trend of them taking in helpless orphans at least for a time.
edited for grammar, sigh.
I wonder, while Cullen is attracted to Elves, how would he feel about having an Elf-blooded child?
While we know that a lot of humans take elven lovers, it does seems like something that's considered an embarrassment, at least when it comes to nobility? I don't think Cullen wouldn't accept an Elf-blooded child, but how do you think he'd deal with the social stigma, even if it's mother was the Inquisitor?
The stigma wouldn't be so much on the child (as they'd look human and could easily pass as one if no one told otherwise), but on the involvement between the human and the elf, specially if it's a commited relationship. Soris from DAO, in example, has a human lover, but it only goes awry for them when he marries her.
I feel like Cullen would have cared more about such a thing if this was a couple years ago, when he was Knight-Captain and had a reputation to maintain, the face of the Order to save. We don't know much about current Cullen, but everything leads to a Cullen who's sort of drifting along, neither here nor there, finding his place in the world. But he seems like he's come to a point of his life where he just doesn't care anymore - what people will say if he bangs the boss, what people will say if he bangs the elven boss, what if babies happen. He knows who he is, at least, and doesn't need anybody to tell him what he should be. So at this point? I don't think Cullen would give a rat's ass. If he loves Lavellan and their love produces a little elf-blooded Noodlet, he'll be the happiest father ever, and anyone who has an opinion can shove it.
Plus, you know, it's the Inquisitor. Even if there was any concern over social stigmas left, he's having a child with the Herald of Andraste herself (nevermind that she may despise that name, for all purposes that's what Andrastians are gonna call her like it or not). Andraste's chosen has chosen him. Put a stigma on that. 
He's not raised Dalish. The Dalish teach him how to hunt and survive, but send him away once he's 16 and capable of taking care of himself. He's got no vallasin either.
Ah okie dokie. ![=]](https://lvlt.forum.bioware.com/public/style_emoticons/default/sideways.png)
Wasn't the story Leliana tells of the original Aveline about a human child raised by Dalish? It's less clear that she was sent away involuntarily, of course, so there does seem to be some trend of them taking in helpless orphans at least for a time.
edited for grammar, sigh.
Meh I hardly care about grammar when I am so anal about it at school. So when I am doing things like this, I let my grammar become far less structured than it usually is.
As for the story of Avelene, Leliana was speaking to my Amell about it I think Saturday...but I don't recall all the specifics.
The elven mother being powerful and influential would certainly help a lot against the social stigma. After all, the Warden-Commander's race in DA:A is very rarely brought up, even if the Warden is an elf.
But there's still a stigma, since even after saving all of Thedas by ending the Fifth Blight, the elf Warden wasn't able to marry Alistair and instead had to remain his dirty little secret on the side. And if they abandon Amaranthine in DA:A, people will still whisper that it was part of a larger elven plot to destroy human settlements.
That's gratitude for you, eh?
Meh I hardly care about grammar when I am so anal about it at school. So when I am doing things like this, I let my grammar become far less structured than it usually is.
Grammar matters when you leave out the verb in a sentence 
But there's still a stigma, since even after saving all of Thedas by ending the Fifth Blight, the elf Warden wasn't able to marry Alistair and instead had to remain his dirty little secret on the side. And if they abandon Amaranthine in DA:A, people will still whisper that it was part of a larger elven plot to destroy human settlements.
That's gratitude for you, eh?
And right here is the perfect time for this!
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Grammar matters when you leave out the verb in a sentence
Pshhhh I leave out nouns...verbs as well, but I do edit...most of the time, just depends how tired I am.
But there's still a stigma, since even after saving all of Thedas by ending the Fifth Blight, the elf Warden wasn't able to marry Alistair and instead had to remain his dirty little secret on the side. And if they abandon Amaranthine in DA:A, people will still whisper that it was part of a larger elven plot to destroy human settlements.
Yes, but the elf isn't noble, or at least not born noble even with the bann/teyrn thing. Besides, the nobles have daughters they want to make queen, only someone who's a higher noble than they are with a long blood line is going to pass muster if they have anything to say about it.
I never agreed to be Alistair's mistress unless I was playing an open-minded character who understood there were bigger things at stake than her own happiness. Consequently, it was only in my very first playthrough that I did it with a Dalish elf. She understood Alistair would need to make heirs without her and she accepted it. She was not the least bit jealous or self-conscious so she was perfectly fine with the arrangement.
My second playthrough was a mage who suffered the break up because being his mistress wouldn't be enough for her. She didn't perform the dark ritual either, so I like to think Alistair is devastated and forever haunted in that playthrough.
Then I have a Queen Cousland who put herself on the throne because she's not sharing. And my current playthrough is a City Elf who selfishly wanted Alistair all to herself, so she put Anora on the throne by herself and Alistair remained with her and the Wardens. I'm actually really liking this playthrough in the end, because Alistair never really wanted the responsibility anyway.
I haven't decided what my "main" canon playthrough is, but I'm pretty sure I'll be going with Queen Cousland for my first Inquisition playthrough.
Part of me hopes the Cullen romance won't be nearly as convoluted yet at the same time, I've romanced Alistair four different times now and with four different "endings" which really just goes to show how versatile these romances can be.
Can't wait to see all the art and the fanfic you guys come up with for the new thread, btw. 
I'm not sure it's clear that a mage's non-mage children will be forever stripped of the rank. And isn't a mage Hawke an exception to this as well? I suspect the devs have some flexibility on this-if they want it.
They are. Connor loses all rights to the Guerin lineage, too. One of the slides even mentions Isolde rushing Eamon to make another heir.
Hawke is not really an exception, because he/she never went to the Circle. They're raised back to nobility while keeping their magic (an open) secret, but if they were to be captured and sent to a Circle, they'd lose rights to the Amell name all over again.
Hawke is not really an exception, because he/she never went to the Circle. They're raised back to nobility while keeping their magic (an open) secret, but if they were to be captured and sent to a Circle, they'd lose rights to the Amell name all over again.
Indeed. They were given exception by Meredith because Hawke wasn't causing too much trouble, more or less. If she wanted to toe the line, I think she easily could have.
Part of me hopes the Cullen romance won't be nearly as convoluted yet at the same time, I've romanced Alistair four different times now and with four different "endings" which really just goes to show how versatile these romances can be.
I kinda hope because Brienne is such a sweet and nice person and basically not Gaider 
(I love the man, but he enjoys breaking my heart just a tad too much with his romances, wow) that the conclusion to Cullen's romance will be along the lines of:
See, it's versatile! Lots of different ways it can go!
There was a pretty good looking black guy in the CC at Gamescom(?) iirc. But I'm really looking forward to seeing a black woman Inquisitor!
Bah! That was shown for 5 seconds! I want to see a screenshot. In the meanwhile I have Viviene to look at as a basis for a black woman in DAI. 
I love my fluff but I have to admit that I love my angst, so if we get multiple "romance" endings I definitely want one that will completely and utterly break my heart.
But then I've always been a glutton for punishment, so ...
I love my fluff but I have to admit that I love my angst, so if we get multiple "romance" endings I definitely want one that will completely and utterly break my heart.
Hmm I can enjoy angst in the middle of the romance (my favorite romances are Zevran and Fenris, I'm familiar with angst ), but I don't really want unhappy endings. More for Cullen's sake than for mine - he's lived through way too much to have even this fall apart before his eyes. He deserves to find some measure of happiness in his life and not have to see even that taken away from him. I'll admit I care less for my PC's fate in the end than for how that fate will affect Cullen, and I'll do everything in my PC's power to not be the one to break his heart this time.
I just want him to be happy... 
Hey, I have a Cullen question:
The devs say we are able to get to know Cullen, about how why he joined the Order and such, as well as see him let his hair down.
1.) Why do you think Cullen joined the Templars, as opposed to somewhere else?
-and-
2.) What things do you think Cullen does for fun?
1. I think it will depend on his backstory. There has been some speculation that he's orphan raised by Chantry or that he's farmer's boy who dreamed being templar. Both of them would fit him I think.
2. I honestly have no idea! Everytime we see and talk to him in DAO and DA2 he seems so job oriented. Even in mage origin while he's being flustered and cute, he talks about his job XD So I'd see him quite workaholic.
I'll admit I care less for my PC's fate in the end than for how that fate will affect Cullen, and I'll do everything in my PC's power to not be the one to break his heart this time.
I just want him to be happy...
My first Inquisitor is probably one of my more emotionally resilient characters, so I'm less worried about her and more worried about her potential LIs too If the romance goes badly, she'll be able to get over it eventually, but Cullen has had so many awful things happen to him that I don't wanna add to that list.
Folks have been talking about. Right now, it looks like we're doing about 7-10 pages, so ideally we won't hit Page 3000 til the weekend.
We should probably sound off, tho, with who will be contributing. As a reminder:
1. It can be anything so long as it's Culleny. Fic, photo manips, banter, recipes, art, etc.
2. If it's longer than about 500 WORDS, post it elsewhere and link.
3. Beware NSFW. Links only, with warnings. (inside spoiler tags don't count)
4. No chatter on Page 3000, just celebration. You can congratulate and comment once we hit 3001.
5. If you won't be around, let me know and I'll save you a spot.
Just reposting in case. I look forward to seeing what people do.
Watch my Fëanor Lavellan if the dalish do something to get in the way of closing the BreachBecause I don't like restrictions being placed on what is supposed to be "my" character. Having the tattoos be mandatory immediately makes the Dalish Inquisitor Pro-Dalish, eliminating roleplaying options.
.So far I don't see why a CE makes more sense then a dalish.And yet not all adults wear them. Prime example: Gheyna. She is an adult considering that she calls Cammen a child(and Lanaya only says he is a child rather than both if you get them together) and yet her face doesn't have Vallaslin.
I saw the Male Elf pic. I can still clearly see them. So if that is the 'invisible' equivalent, I'm out of luck.
It better be a good reason. There is a thread about it and so far there are more reasons why they should be City Elf rather than Dalish Elf.
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