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[MacyNell]

Happy Birthday! 

 

Thank you, Eric. My very own Birthday Cullen! I'm...I'm speechless. 

[jtav]

I'm a third of the way through Last Flight and I must say that the idea of mage!Trevelyan/Cullen or Cass is growing increasingly appealing. Poor exhausted mages and templars.

[Lilaeth]

About Cullen, I would be happy if he will merge with Justice... That would be so much fun...

 

Because the last time Justice merged with someone, it went so well...    Besides, he's still merged with Anders in one of my games, so he's not available.

[Tishina]

I'm a third of the way through Last Flight and I must say that the idea of mage!Trevelyan/Cullen or Cass is growing increasingly appealing. Poor exhausted mages and templars.

And that just makes not being able to read it right now even worse   I may have to get someone to spoiler it for me so I don't let myself get sucked in for a day or two that I can't afford. Or just make myself wait, sigh.

[MacyNell]

Because the last time Justice merged with someone, it went so well...    Besides, he's still merged with Anders in one of my games, so he's not available.

Amen. I love Anders...I mean I really love him, and I accepted Justice for Anders' sake - I even appreciated Justice while I was in the Fade helping Feynreil - but if I could have separated them, I would have. I would rage if Justice were to show up in another LI. I mean, really rage.

[riverbanks]

About Cullen, I would be happy if he will merge with Justice... That would be so much fun...

Yeeeah considering what Justice did to Anders / Anders did to Justice, I'd pass on that union. Cullen has just as much pent up anger and misguided resentment as Anders did, and the same tendency to bottle up his feelings of impotence and inadequacy until they come out in bursts of outrage, so he would have corrupted Justice just as Anders did, and his mind would have been as passive to corruption from righteousness to zealotry too.

In any case, Justice is dead. All that's left is Vengeance at this point. Even in playthroughs where Anders is alive (more like his carcass is still walking, as he was already almost completely lost to Vengeance by the end of DA2 and that was at least a couple of years ago in the timeline), once the spirit sheds its host, there will be only Vengeance left behind. And that guy can stay as faaaar away from Cullen as it can; let it go possess Velanna into leading the elven uprising or something.

[Ina]

Amen. I love Anders...I mean I really love him, and I accepted Justice for Anders' sake - I even appreciated Justice while I was in the Fade helping Feynreil - but if I could have separated them, I would have. I would rage if Justice were to show up in another LI. I mean, really rage.

 

I really love Anders as well. I mean it's weird because I both strongly disagree with some of his ways and empathize greatly with him. I absolutely hated what he did in DA2 and I didn't much care for his personality in Awakening (*ducks tomatoes*) besides maybe some of his humor. I just felt drawn by that character for some reason. I've often thought if I met someone like him in real life, I'd be hard pressed to give them more than a moment of my time cos they'd be just too high maintenance. It's just really weird for me.

[Potato Cat]

Yeeeah considering what Justice did to Anders / Anders did to Justice, I'd pass on that union. Cullen has just as much pent up anger and misguided resentment as Anders did, and the same tendency to bottle up his feelings of impotence and inadequacy until they come out in bursts of outrage, so he would have corrupted Justice just as Anders did, and his mind would have been as passive to corruption from righteousness to zealotry too.
In any case, Justice is dead. All that's left is Vengeance at this point. Even in playthroughs where Anders is alive (more like his carcass is still walking, as he was already almost completely lost to Vengeance by the end of DA2 and that was at least a couple of years ago in the timeline), once the spirit sheds its host, there will be only Vengeance left behind. And that guy can stay as faaaar away from Cullen as it can; let it go possess Velanna into leading the elven uprising or something.

I'd be up for that. Grey DeLisle is at her best when her characters are mentally unstable.

[CuriousArtemis]

Happy birthday, MacyNell!!!!

Regarding Tumblr... It can be a rough place, but to be honest, I needed that roughness. I was really hurt, angry, and depressed after the romance reveals. Still am, really. Sometimes you just need to talk to others who feel the same as you. Bottling it up isn't good; it just prolongs the pain. Sometimes you just need to rant about things you can't say here on the BSN.

[Hellion Rex]

I'm a third of the way through Last Flight and I must say that the idea of mage!Trevelyan/Cullen or Cass is growing increasingly appealing. Poor exhausted mages and templars.

I finished last night. It was pretty good.

[Xilizhra]

Yeeeah considering what Justice did to Anders / Anders did to Justice, I'd pass on that union. Cullen has just as much pent up anger and misguided resentment as Anders did, and the same tendency to bottle up his feelings of impotence and inadequacy until they come out in bursts of outrage, so he would have corrupted Justice just as Anders did, and his mind would have been as passive to corruption from righteousness to zealotry too.

In any case, Justice is dead. All that's left is Vengeance at this point. Even in playthroughs where Anders is alive (more like his carcass is still walking, as he was already almost completely lost to Vengeance by the end of DA2 and that was at least a couple of years ago in the timeline), once the spirit sheds its host, there will be only Vengeance left behind. And that guy can stay as faaaar away from Cullen as it can; let it go possess Velanna into leading the elven uprising or something.

I disagree. I don't think that Justice is dead, or that Vengeance was ever really the name of the spirit. I suspect being extricated from Anders, and no longer being in proximity to his darkspawn taint, would help, or at least be worth trying.

 

And Anders himself is definitely worth preserving. Though I disagree that he's lost.

[MacyNell]

Happy birthday, MacyNell!!!!...

 

Thanks!

 

....Regarding Tumblr... It can be a rough place, but to be honest, I needed that roughness. I was really hurt, angry, and depressed after the romance reveals. Still am, really. Sometimes you just need to talk to others who feel the same as you. Bottling it up isn't good; it just prolongs the pain. Sometimes you just need to rant about things you can't say here on the BSN.

 

I get that. Ranting is an important outlet.  It's when it veers off from ranting about a specfic issue into an attack mode that gets me, as in attacking the devs, attacking other players who are perceived to be part of a different "group", etc. I don't need that in my life. I avoid it whenever I can.

[CuriousArtemis]

I get that. Ranting is an important outlet.  It's when it veers off from ranting about a specfic issue into an attack mode that gets me, as in attacking the devs, attacking other players who are perceived to be part of a different "group", etc. I don't need that in my life. I avoid it whenever I can.

Yeah, just block, unfollow, or otherwise avoid. Because people need to rant. A lot of head canons came crashing down to earth not long ago, and it's an emotional wreck out there! Rants against the devs are okay when it's not on the BSN; where else can you direct your anger?

Basically, if you are happy about the reveals, then you'll tend to find the ranting inappropriate.
If you got majorly shafted, and not in the good way, you're out there ranting.

I would just look elsewhere for now. The person saying Solas is racist has probably been dreaming about romancing him with her qunari for a year now. It's understandable.

[Xilizhra]

oh don't worry, i didn't intend to bring any controversy or flame wars here... i think i was seeking for some consolation maybe .__. because as i said, it hurts me when people sh*t on my favorite characters :/ it's similar to the feeling when you hear someone insulting your friends, without even drawing proofs.

Oh, don't worry: I never **** on Cullen without proofs.

 

Any thoughts on this, thread? I only read it last night.

[MacyNell]

Yeah, just block, unfollow, or otherwise avoid. Because people need to rant. A lot of head canons came crashing down to earth not long ago, and it's an emotional wreck out there! Rants against the devs are okay when it's not on the BSN; where else can you direct your anger?

Basically, if you are happy about the reveals, then you'll tend to find the ranting inappropriate.
If you got majorly shafted, and not in the good way, you're out there ranting.

I would just look elsewhere for now. The person saying Solas is racist has probably been dreaming about romancing him with her qunari for a year now. It's understandable.

 

Oh, I def know exactly what you're saying. I'm not criticizing that you guys are disappointed at all.

[Xilizhra]

Oh, I def know exactly what you're saying. I'm not criticizing that you guys are disappointed at all.

Good, because I was criticized for that.

[Panda]

Justice with Cullen? I doubt that would do any good either, they would just ruin each other like happened with Anders in the end.

[Reaverwind]

Justice with Cullen? I doubt that would do any good either, they would just ruin each other like happened with Anders in the end.

 

Imo, spirit possession just isn't a good idea, period. Look at Wynne - while she didn't turn out to be as destructive as Anders, she was another highly-annoying character with a rather rigid mindset. (The fact she was complicit in yet another possession is highly disturbing in my book.)

[The Elder King]

Oh, don't worry: I never **** on Cullen without proofs.

Any thoughts on this, thread? I only read it last night.

I don't get how dehumanizing his speech when thinking the Warden was an illusion was. He was referring to the demon tempting him, not the Warden. Humans have desire, and he was conflicted about his feelings.

About many of the things stated later on, I don't agree with him at all. Still, I understand why he felt/feels that way. The experience traumatized him. A lot. We can discuss if he should've been able to return to be a templar, but I think his reaction was valid (to clarify, it's not the only one: it is possible to react in more positive ways. It depends on the people).

The same goes for him wanting to kill the mages in DAO. Again, I don't agree with him, but of you expect a person that was tormented for weeks, who have been freed some hours before, to surely be sane and reasonable, I don't know what to say.

As for DA2, the line about the Ferelden Annulment, if i recall, continues in saying that while justified (it certainly made more sense to call one in Ferelden then Kirkwall, which is completely illogical), they managed to save it. The quote meant that he believes that the Kirkwall Circle shouldn't be Annulled. And again, does someone think that any templar would be against Annulments, in principle? Even templars like Thrask or Evangeline would agree on the necessity of the Annulment. Even Aequitarian and Libertarians might agree on Annulment. It's better to keep an open mind, otherwise you might get disappointed if something i the next games turn put differently then what you expect.

It's fine to hate Cullen for what he did and say in the past, based on your values. I don't like a lot of what he did/say, but I understand why he feels that way, and i don't blame him for that.

Plus it's part of his character development. If that fan dialogue Gaider commented is true, he did realize he was wrong in Kirkwall.

[Xilizhra]

I don't get how dehumanizing his speech when thinking the Warden was an illusion was. He was referring to the demon tempting him, not the Warden. Humans have desire, and he was conflicted about his feelings.

"The one thing I wanted but could never have" and "a mage of all things."

 

 

As for DA2, the line about the Ferelden Annulment, if i recall, continues in saying that while justified (it certainly made more sense to call one in Ferelden then Kirkwall, which is completely illogical), they managed to save it. The quote meant that he believes that the Kirkwall Circle shouldn't be Annulled. And again, does someone think that any templar would be against Annulments, in principle? Even templars like Thrask or Evangeline would agree on the necessity of the Annulment. Even Aequitarian and Libertarians might agree on Annulment. It's better to keep an open mind, otherwise you might get disappointed if something i the next games turn put differently then what you expect.

It wasn't justified; it was wholly unnecessary. Only demons had to be killed. As is the case for all Annulments; that's why it's never justified, because the right wouldn't be necessary if demons were the only beings you were killing.

 

 

Plus it's part of his character development. If that fan dialogue Gaider commented is true, he did realize he was wrong in Kirkwall.

And many things more. How many does he realize? Like his apologetics for Tranquility, even the Tranquil Solution.

[Boudicae]

"The one thing I wanted but could never have" and "a mage of all things."

 

 

I don't think he was referring to the Warden, per se, but perhaps something along the lines of "a happy life with the Warden" - that would be called a "thing".

 

I always felt so bad for the other templar who thought the desire demon was his wife, and that he had a family. It was so sad to kill him, but better than to let the demon have her way with him

[Panda]

"The one thing I wanted but could never have" and "a mage of all things."

 

 

It wasn't justified; it was wholly unnecessary. Only demons had to be killed. As is the case for all Annulments; that's why it's never justified, because the right wouldn't be necessary if demons were the only beings you were killing.

 

 

And many things more. How many does he realize? Like his apologetics for Tranquility, even the Tranquil Solution.

 

I guess these issues are pretty much pro-mage vs pro-templar things as well. Personally I'm rather neutral, but I bet some pro-mages would view me as pro-templar ^^;

 

I think that annulment in Ferelden's situation wasn't bad call, tower was run over by abominations, shades, demons and blood mages. Situation was almost lost and without special snowflake Warden and their crew the demons would have won. I don't think Cullen's call in the situation (killing all mages) was completely wrong since it's truth that blood mages and abominations tend to be pretty dangerous and they could have easily kill all remaining templars and then run free in Thedas. However it's was wrong choice morally since innocent shouldn't be killed and Cullen recognizes it in DA2 where he thinks they should watch over the surrender mages instead of killing them, that shows his growth as well.

 

I don't like tranquil solution personally but some mages do request it and if they can't fight against demons, I don't know if it's bad choice then. Cullen seems to think it's better than death and it's debatable if it is, maybe some tranquils find it better while some would rather die. Still, I don't find it as good practice as Cullen seems to find it and I wonder if his views of it have changed for DAI.

[serenai]

A "thing" could be a romance with someone or something along those lines that he wanted. He probably wasn't being too careful with his speech at the time so he could have meant that rather than referring to her, herself, as a thing. Then again, he could have been.. it might depend on interpretation. I tend to try to believe the best of people until proven otherwise. (And yes, that's gotten me into trouble a few times, but I'd still rather do that than the alternative).

 

For those attending EGX, please Please PLEASE take lots of pics and I know Eric will be live tweeting, so is anyone else going to do something similar? I hope you all have a great time!

[The Elder King]

"The one thing I wanted but could never have" and "a mage of all things."

He even call all the other hypothetical desires 'things'. Does he dehumanize everything and everyone?
Isn't it possible to say in english, for example, 'the only thing i want is a baby?' It can be said in Italian, and it refers to women and men as well. It's not means as debumanizing. Or he might have referring to his love for her.
Anyway, you're talking about a person who was tormented for weeks. I don't expect him to be sane at this point.

It wasn't justified; it was wholly unnecessary. Only demons had to be killed. As is the case for all Annulments; that's why it's never justified, because the right wouldn't be necessary if demons were the only beings you were killing.

I didn't say it was justified. I said it made more sense then in Kirkwall. And in the Chantry's laws, it'd be justified, while the second...not so much.

And many things more. How many does he realize? Like his apologetics for Tranquility, even the Tranquil Solution.

Wouldn't this enter in the Kirkwall thing ?

[serenai]

Forgot to add: Happy Belated Birthday Macynell!