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[Xilizhra]

Or one case of mages overwhelmed by demons or blood magic to such a degree that it was no longer possible to tell friend from foe.  We have no way of knowing.

If I ever saw such an Annulment, maybe I'd believe it.

 

 

But the RIte is necessary to kill an entire Circle full of abominations.  Yes, Cullen was emotionally compromised.  He had been the plaything of demons for weeks or more (who knows what he had been forced to eat and drink during that time  ) And saw people he knew, friends, even, literally become monsters before his eyes.  The very idea of that happening again terrifies him, even years later.

 

And while the Warden may be wrong, Irving does agree with the asseement.  So it's a case of hindsight being 20/20

But it's not. They're all gribbly lumps of flesh, except for the one obvious cackling lunatic. Demons have never been shown to be subtle beings once they're in the physical world.

 

 

Cullen deserves no sympathy for being in favor of an alternative to killing mages?

Given what it entails, no.

[MacyNell]

Oh that's true Well, I was mainly speaking for myself. I don't mean to say anyone is blinded by love here. But I may have been, a little bit. All these little flaws are just what makes him a good character though.

He's just so..."human." I can't help but apply my own RL experience. I was raised in a certain culture, with certain beliefs.  It was a real effort to broaden and change my mind.  I think about the people I met along the way, the ones who were patient with me, who did not dismiss me out of hand, who gave me the benefit of the doubt and made an effort to continue to have faith in me. Those people allowed me time to come to the right conclusions on my own, and offered nothing but support when I did...not condemnation for the times I was wrong in the past. I am so grateful to have them in my life.

 

This is why I always talk about redemption, and that the direction a person is growing toward in their world view is way more important than any one position at any one time. Does that make any sense? I'm not sure I'm explaining it well. 

[Xilizhra]

He's just so..."human." I can't help but apply my own RL experience. I was raised in a certain culture, with certain beliefs.  It was a real effort to broaden and change my mind.  I think about the people I met along the way, the ones who were patient with me, who did not dismiss me out of hand, who gave me the benefit of the doubt and made an effort to continue to have faith in me. Those people allowed me time to come to the right conclusions on my own, and offered nothing but support when I did...not condemnation for the times I was wrong in the past. I am so grateful to have them in my life.

 

This is why I always talk about redemption, and that the direction a person is growing toward in their world view is way more important than any one position at any one time. Does that make any sense? I'm not sure I'm explaining it well. 

Were I speaking to Cullen IRL, I'd be significantly less harsh. And asking more questions. But this is the assessment that I've taken.

[CuriousArtemis]

He's just so..."human." I can't help but apply my own RL experience. I was raised in a certain culture, with certain beliefs.  It was a real effort to broaden and change my mind.  I think about the people I met along the way, the ones who were patient with me, who did not dismiss me out of hand, who gave me the benefit of the doubt and made an effort to continue to have faith in me. Those people allowed me time to come to the right conclusions on my own, and offered nothing but support when I did...not condemnation for the times I was wrong in the past. I am so grateful to have them in my life.
 
This is why I always talk about redemption, and that the direction a person is growing toward in their world view is way more important than any one position at any one time. Does that make any sense? I'm not sure I'm explaining it well. 

It makes great sense And wow, kudos to you; I was pretty lucky to be raised in a fairly egalitarian environment... although I did encounter racism pretty early on, but I always knew it was straight up bullsh!t and never bought into it... which is not to say I'm a saint; I'm very aware that I benefit from "privilege" in many ways and I try not to be blind to the everyday difficulties that others face.

But yeah, people grow. And so can characters.

[Caja]

Thank you! 

 

 

Thanks, Adela!  I did have a great day!

Happy belated birthday !

 

So, all my hard work on my fiction and drawing for pg 3000, and I won't be here.  This'll be my last real day checking the Cullen thread in general

 

There's just too much debate for me heart any more.  I used to not mind a good debate... shot of adrenaline, thrill of the hunt, get points and win!  I used to be on the debate team

 

Sadly, when I get that competitive shot anymore, it causes chest pain and difficulty breathing because my BP is still much to high, and I'd rather not go back to the hospital when all I have to do is stop reading a forum  Pretty much, I'll be reading the twitter thread for tweets and that'll be it for BSN.  I'm just far too competitive for my own good lol.  It's leaving me a little lost to be honest... what am I going to do when I have to avoid the internetz?  

 

Thanks for being such a great group of people.  I will see you guys around in the future, I hope.

 

Ah, it's really sad to see you leave - even though I only started to post in this thread a few months ago. I hope you get better soon. We should team up. I'm not very competitive. We might complete each other well  . I hope you don't mind me saying this but have you ever tried meditation, yoga or tai chi? I've heard it really helps to calm people down.

[Miss Dragon Age]

Here have some hugs and let things return to how they were before the debate started 

 

 

Oh and happy late birthday!

[MacyNell]

It makes great sense And wow, kudos to you; I was pretty lucky to be raised in a fairly egalitarian environment... although I did encounter racism pretty early on, but I always knew it was straight up bullsh!t and never bought into it... which is not to say I'm a saint; I'm very aware that I benefit from "privilege" in many ways and I try not to be blind to the everyday difficulties that others face.

But yeah, people grow. And so can characters.

 

My background is southern, rural, and isolated.  Don't get me wrong, there are things about country living that I wouldn't trade for the world, but it also takes a lot longer to change the things that need changing around here, if you get what I'm saying.  On top of all that, I was (am) a Baptist preacher's daughter, which comes with a whole set of other issues.  By the time I was in my teens, I was well on my way to questioning just about everything that I'd taken for granted as a child...and was butting heads with almost everyone in my family because of it.  I'm still the black sheep sort of...but I've learned to like it. 

[MacyNell]

Happy belated birthday !...

Thanks! (I love that smilie!) 

[Xilizhra]

My background is southern, rural, and isolated.  Don't get me wrong, there are things about country living that I wouldn't trade for the world, but it also takes a lot longer to change the things that need changing around here, if you get what I'm saying.  On top of all that, I was (am) a Baptist preacher's daughter, which comes with a whole set of other issues.  By the time I was in my teens, I was well on my way to questioning just about everything that I'd taken for granted as a child...and was butting heads with almost everyone in my family because of it.  I'm still the black sheep sort of...but I've learned to like it. 

Well, I'm very happy for you for escaping that.

[MacyNell]

 

 

Oh and happy late birthday!

*snip pretty b-day pic*

 

Thank you! 

[Liadan]

Happy belated birthday MacyNell  !

 

Spoiler

 

[phyreblade74]

In our own modern society we seem to accept the notion there needs to be some degree of control over the ownership and transfer of various weapons and substances, in order to better safeguard the community.  We only tend to disagree on the nature of that control, I think.

 

How much harder would it be, if the weapons were so innate they were little more than manifestations of someone's emotions?  Lose control of your temper and you can obliterate a street block with little more than a thought, for instance.  Really, we're supposed to find it unreasonable, that in a world such as that they'd impose controls over such chances?  That they'd not act to secure the community as a whole from any such possibility?

 

Makes me think of Redcliffe, actually.  A whole town of people, savaged and brutalized, killed outright or tormented at length -- and all by one single tiny mage who lost control!  Sorry, but no.  I don't blame the common, ordinary people from feeling fear enough over such possibilities that they'd look for some kind of solution, some sort of control.  Why would anyone feel different facing an entire Tower full of such mages, even?  Normal, rational people don't look at such a situation and think, "Oh, gee.  It would be so terribly mean to defend ourselves and our community, here.  Let's only be nice to them ..."

 

I think it's a good man, rather, who looks at such situations and rages, but doesn't act out of hand.  He doesn't go rushing in there, sword blazing -- he presents his argument to those in charge and then grudgingly subsides.  He takes the time to heal but never forgets the chance and the danger.  He doesn't go off dragging mages into the friggin' sewers to rape and tranquil them.  He even steps in front of blades that would kill them, rather.  This is a good man struggling to find the best way along a very dangerous line, so that everyone is better off.  Including mages, mind you.

 

No, I'm looking forward to getting to know more about that sort of man.  Where he came from and what he's growing to be.  It'll be so much fun!

[Aunty Social]

Happy belated birthday !

 

 

Ah, it's really sad to see you leave - even though I only started to post in this thread a few months ago. I hope you get better soon. We should team up. I'm not very competitive. We might complete each other well  . I hope you don't mind me saying this but have you ever tried meditation, yoga or tai chi? I've heard it really helps to calm people down.

 

I don't mind at all  I did yoga for quite awhile, but haven't since my accident (I fell down the stairs in July).  I definitely notice a difference in my (RAWR BURN ALL THE THINGS TO MAKE SURE IM SAFE) response  Im pretty mellow when I get to exercise.  It was just bad luck, with my BP problems I occasionally get tunnel vision, narrowed to pinpricks, and my cat was following me, so I tripped over him and bad accident was bad.  Poor guy had to go the vet and he refused to even talk to me for like 4 whole days!  (sad panda club).  Bad luck and a compounding heart problem... it was just craziness.  Hopefully Ill be cleared to workout again soon (physical therapy just started), and then I can come back and actually read the internetz haha.

 

And (since Ive actually forgotten to type this twice now) Happy Belated Birthday Macy!  I hope your day was fantastic, and super cereal I love those mugs  Best present ever

[serenai]

I don't mind at all  I did yoga for quite awhile, but haven't since my accident (I fell down the stairs in July).  I definitely notice a difference in my (RAWR BURN ALL THE THINGS TO MAKE SURE IM SAFE) response  Im pretty mellow when I get to exercise.  It was just bad luck, with my BP problems I occasionally get tunnel vision, narrowed to pinpricks, and my cat was following me, so I tripped over him and bad accident was bad.  Poor guy had to go the vet and he refused to even talk to me for like 4 whole days!  (sad panda club).  Bad luck and a compounding heart problem... it was just craziness.  Hopefully Ill be cleared to workout again soon (physical therapy just started), and then I can come back and actually read the internetz haha.

 

And (since Ive actually forgotten to type this twice now) Happy Belated Birthday Macy!  I hope your day was fantastic, and super cereal I love those mugs  Best present ever

 

Sounds like a bad run of luck there.. time for it to turn around! I hope you feel better soon! I also hope you're much better by the time the actual game comes out.. would hate for you to have to wait to play. If there is anyone around who like to take us from one emotional extreme to the other, it's Bioware.

 

Those mugs are something I would get for myself in a heartbeat, too, but they would probably encourage way too much teasing from the heathen children

[morie91]

macy, sorry for belated wishes, but with noodles we had to bake you a b-day cake :3

 

 

ohh and i'm sad to hear that your health has got worse, aunty :c i hope you'll get well soon, and be able to come back to us! ♥

[MacyNell]

macy, sorry for belated wishes, but with noodles we had to bake you a b-day cake :3

 

 

ohh and i'm sad to hear that your health has got worse, aunty :c i hope you'll get well soon, and be able to come back to us! ♥

AwwwWWWwwww....That's AWESOME! Thank you, thank you, thank you! 

[LolaLei]

Oh, you guys! Thank you all. I love this place...

 

I should post a pic of my birthday present to myself....

 

Nice, are they not? Mmmmm. 

 

Hey, look at that! All three of my protagonist's boyfriends! I think I need those!

[MacyNell]

Hey, look at that! All three of my protagonist's boyfriends! I think I need those!

Yep...same here.  Makes my coffee all the better! 

[LolaLei]

Happy birthday, Macy! 

[MacyNell]

Happy belated birthday MacyNell  !

 

Spoiler

 

 

I'm swooning w/ all these Birthday Cullens! Thank you! 

[Iakus]

If I ever saw such an Annulment, maybe I'd believe it.

 

 Darn near saw it in Ferelden

 

But it's not. They're all gribbly lumps of flesh, except for the one obvious cackling lunatic. Demons have never been shown to be subtle beings once they're in the physical world.

 

 

Demons can be quite subtle, though not all are.  Remember Kitty in the Stone Prisoner?  The demons possessing the Templars in DA2? 

 

Heck fully rival Anders and he confesses at the end that Justice/Vengeance took over, and masqueraded as Anders in planting the bomb in the Chantry "I turned my friend into a demon!".

 

Abominations are not universally "gribbly lumps of flesh"  They are capable of subtle manipulation, laying low, even going dormant in people.

 

Given what it entails, no.

 

So you seriously don't think that if Pharamond had found a legitimately better alternative to Tranquility, that Cullen would not have embraced it?  He' rather kill 'em all or rob them of their emotions?

[MacyNell]

I don't mind at all  I did yoga for quite awhile, but haven't since my accident (I fell down the stairs in July).  I definitely notice a difference in my (RAWR BURN ALL THE THINGS TO MAKE SURE IM SAFE) response  Im pretty mellow when I get to exercise.  It was just bad luck, with my BP problems I occasionally get tunnel vision, narrowed to pinpricks, and my cat was following me, so I tripped over him and bad accident was bad.  Poor guy had to go the vet and he refused to even talk to me for like 4 whole days!  (sad panda club).  Bad luck and a compounding heart problem... it was just craziness.  Hopefully Ill be cleared to workout again soon (physical therapy just started), and then I can come back and actually read the internetz haha.

 

And (since Ive actually forgotten to type this twice now) Happy Belated Birthday Macy!  I hope your day was fantastic, and super cereal I love those mugs  Best present ever

 

Thanks for the b-day wishes.  And also, I wish you good luck with your BP issues.  I've battled that particular problem since my first pregnancy, and boy has it been a ******.  Finally found a med that worked, and now I'm good, but I feel for you! Good thoughts and vibes being sent your way as I speak!    

 

Happy birthday, Macy! 

 

Thanks Lola.  I guess everyone knows what I REALLY want for my b-day, right? *waggles eyebrows* *grin*

[riverbanks]

So, a question I was wondering about, to get back on the topic of Cullen. We've gone over how we expect our Inquisitor's initial relationship with him to play out in a romance playthrough, but for those who are planning on doing various characters, how do you think your Inquisitors who are NOT romancing Cullen will take to him? Will they get along, or butt heads? Are you planning any playthroughs where you will completely antagonize him just to see where his character goes?

I'm thinking my Dorian-mancing Inquisitor may be my ~mage rights~ playthrough, and I'd kind of like him to be a complete and utter ass to Cullen at first just to see how Cullen reacts to it. It probably won't last long, knowing myself, because I'd hate to see Cullen stuck helplessly hating me/my PC with his hands tied because he's not allowed to leave the Inquisition no matter how much the Inquisitor annoys him, but I'm curious to see the writing for his character from the other side of being his best friend or lover.

And the other aspect of his writing/character I really want to explore is the pure friendship path, without any romance or flirting involved. Just being friends, or at least mutually respectful co-workers. I think this would be interesting to develop on either my qunari or Dalish playthroughs, because I plan those quizzies to be very tunnel-visioned on their cultures so they'll inevitably clash with Cullen's devoted Andrastianism in the beginning, but how interesting would it be for such different people to overcome their cultural differences and become good friends in the end? Specially with a qunari 'Quiz, Cullen would have to first overcome his distrust of qunari and the bitter taste they left on his mouth after Kirkwall, but wouldn't it be neat if after all that baggage he could still come to call a qunari a true friend? In any case, I hope we get some really interesting, unique conversations with him from these non-human, non-Andrastian Inquisitors.

So how about ya'll, how do you think your non-Cullenmancer Quizzies will fare with him?

[Reaverwind]

I don't plan on playing any mages, due to the combat system, so I don't see any of my characters butting heads with Cullen at all. Were Bioware to re-implement crime features that were present in the BG series, then there might be a few disputes over the concept of "ownership". However, I just don't see that happening.

[Panda]

So how about ya'll, how do you think your non-Cullenmancer Quizzies will fare with him?

 

Valpur: She probaply will admire his resolve and strenght. She's warrior herself and prefers straight approach to things over politics and espionage which she finds too sly and complicated for her Inquisition. So I think she will go with Cullen's advice most of times. I can't see any reason why two of them wouldn't get along.

 

Skye: He is pro-mage and isn't too happy about chantry nor templar order. I think he will debate with Cullen alot. Since he's very headstrong as well, I'm not sure where their debates will go. He won't dislike Cullen for having different views than him though and although they might disagree alot, I think Skye'll still be rather friendly with Cullen. As long he's not too annoyed with him.

 

Tamarin: He might find Cullen too righteous and his approach too direct so I think he won't take his advices much. Most likely his and Cullen's relationship will just stay as work-oriented since I don't see them interacting much outside of work business, I doubt they would share anything nor disagree much in anything either.