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[LolaLei]

So I was going to write a big long post om whether Cullen was a good person, but I see that's not necessary.

 

It would be pointless, lol.

[Adela]

I don't have permission for that 

 

On a side note, my badass mage from the BG series was called Adela.

do u want a keep code? if so i will send u a pm

[The Elder King]

Well there is a question I can honestly say I've never been asked!  
 
Nawww, I'm not Italian.  I'm sure it would be nice to be, though! 

Understood. I never heard or read in the english tongue 'brava'. I generally saw the use of 'bravo' even in regards of women. I did to know 'brava' could be used.
In Italian we use bravo/brava based on the gender.

[neonmoth]

do u want a keep code? if so i will send u a pm

Oh, do you still have some codes and no worthy peeps to take care of them? If yes I will be a perfect keeper ;]

 

I am trying to resist the temptation (cause it will probably result in terribad procrastination) but I feel like I will be the odd one out

[jtav]

It would be pointless, lol.

The short version was "He's done some very bad things and I'll probably never really like him, but he's trying." And I'd rather have a world where people can do bad things and have that not be the end of the story than smugly assign categories.

[neonmoth]

On a side note, it seems that the thread is on fire, so there is a meager chance I will be able to finish my humble contribution. Ironically I am off to a no-internet land on Saturday, so I will prob miss the celebration altogether :/

[Adela]

Oh, do you still have some codes and no worthy peps to take care of them? If yes I will be a perfect keeper ;]

 

I am trying to resist the temptation (cause it will probably result in terribad procrastination) but I feel like I will be the odd one out

sent you a pm

[Xilizhra]

Honestly? I couldn't give two sh!ts.

David Gaider says he's a good man, his writer says he's a good man. So I'm inclined to believe what the writers say. Word of the Make himself 'n' all that. Yes, he's done some bad things in his life, so have a lot of people within Thedas to varying degrees. We know what sort of past he's had so it's not surprising, I suspect you'd wouldn't be quite so hard on him if he had been a Mage.

In truth, I think you're just purposely trying to poke the hornet's nest now... I'd have thought after all these years you'd realise that regardless of Cullen's past we still like him. Covering old ground is a pointless exercise.

Mageness does not inherently include politics, and I only haven't shown such hardness toward mages because we haven't really seen any Loyalists, especially not those who are directly involved in imprisoning and sometimes killing other mages.

 

Also, my definition of "good" frequently differs from those of other people, but I try to keep it as logical as possible.

[SamaraDraven]

So I was going to write a big long post om whether Cullen was a good person, but I see that's not necessary.

I think most people who hate on Cullen have their ideas set. They only hope to make those who like Cullen feel bad by constantly shouting "See how bad a person he is?" Nevermind that all their favorite exhibits come from moments when Cullen had just been tortured and thus would justifiably have a bias. But such traumatic events are A-Oh-kay for characters they'd defend, no matter how reprehensible their actions. So explaining anything to Cullen haters isn't going to do much except give them a chance to up their ante from attacking Cullen to attacking you. :/ Post what you want - it's you prerogative. But brace yourself for some nasty replies. :/ Or be prepared to ignore them.

[Xilizhra]

I think most people who hate on Cullen have their ideas set. They only hope to make those who like Cullen feel bad by constantly shouting "See how bad a person he is?" Nevermind that all their favorite exhibits come from moments when Cullen had just been tortured and thus would justifiably have a bias. But such traumatic events are A-Oh-kay for characters they'd defend, no matter how reprehensible their actions. So explaining anything to Cullen haters isn't going to do much except give them a chance to up their ante from attacking Cullen to attacking you. :/ Post what you want - it's you prerogative. But brace yourself for some nasty replies. :/ Or be prepared to ignore them.

Forgive me, but have I ever attacked anyone in this thread personally?

[MacyNell]

Understood. I never heard or read in the english tongue 'brava'. I generally saw the use of 'bravo' even in regards of women. I did to know 'brava' could be used.
In Italian we use bravo/brava based on the gender.

 

Ah, I see. Several years ago, I had a friend who came from Italian roots. Bravo/brava usage by Americans was one of his pet peeves.  So I try to get it right.

[LolaLei]

I think most people who hate on Cullen have their ideas set. They only hope to make those who like Cullen feel bad by constantly shouting "See how bad a person he is?" Nevermind that all their favorite exhibits come from moments when Cullen had just been tortured and thus would justifiably have a bias. But such traumatic events are A-Oh-kay for characters they'd defend, no matter how reprehensible their actions. So explaining anything to Cullen haters isn't going to do much except give them a chance to up their ante from attacking Cullen to attacking you. :/ Post what you want - it's you prerogative. But brace yourself for some nasty replies. :/ Or be prepared to ignore them.

 

Pretty much this. At this stage I just wanna play the bloody game, other people's opinions about both old and new characters are moot until we all see for ourselves what this game brings to the table.

[neonmoth]

sent you a pm

You are fantabulous!!

[jtav]

I actually don't take much issue with DAO Cullen because he's obviously been through hell. My dis like is reserved for DA2 Cullen insofar as you can call it dislike.

[SamaraDraven]

I don't mean you, in particular, Xil. I meant as a rule I've come to see in general. You're one of the exceptions. I've yet to see you attack anyone. I'm referring to those who make post after post about how bad/awful Cullen is and start making equations of their opinions of his character to the characters of anyone who could possibly like him. And the hypocrisy I see when they'd defend another character for having problems but Cullen fans can't do the same and are terrible, while they're not, for defending him is aggravating to say the least.

[LolaLei]

I actually don't take much issue with DAO Cullen because he's obviously been through hell. My dis like is reserved for DA2 Cullen insofar as you can call it dislike.

 

My personal thoughts on Cullen is that while he said (and probably done) some really crappy things, I can totally see why he turned out the way he did due to his previous experiences. The fact that in DAI he seems to be mellowing out a bit is an interesting development, doubly so because we'll actually be able to ask him about his past and why he behaved/behaves the way he does. It's easier to get a better understanding of a person/character when you can actually see the bigger picture from all sides and all perspectives.

[Xilizhra]

I don't mean you, in particular, Xil. I meant as a rule I've come to see in general. You're one of the exceptions. I've yet to see you attack anyone. I'm referring to those who make post after post about how bad/awful Cullen is and start making equations of their opinions of his character to the characters of anyone who could possibly like him. And the hypocrisy I see when they'd defend another character for having problems but Cullen fans can't do the same and are terrible, while they're not, for defending him is aggravating to say the least.

While such people are obviously being jerks and expressing themselves poorly, I think their motivation will often come from A. Cullen being a loyal member of an antagonist faction in a way that no one else except Sten has been, and/or B. Cullen's romantic behavior pushing all the wrong buttons.

[Lulupab]

Cullen is probably the least favorite of mine in DA:I. I simply don't like him but this is my first post in this thread. Attacking someone or even the character they like just because you don't like it is quite impolite to be honest.

Besides, personally I like to have characters I dislike around. Its no different in real life, we deal with many people we don't like. Kept Sten around in DAO, did the same to Fenris and I will deal with Cullen in same fashion. It adds drama.

[Basement Cat]

Cullen is an interesting case because the incident in Origins made him very wary of mages because he saw how bad they can go, which was reflected in two. Then in DA2 he saw the Templars go off the deep end and commmit atrocities. 

 

I think the important lesson he learned there was that, even without inborn power and the danger of demons, a person can still find a way to do a lot of damage. So he can learn from his mistakes and correct his views and behavior accordingly. That is not the mark of a bad person.

[Xilizhra]

Cullen is an interesting case because the incident in Origins made him very wary of mages because he saw how bad they can go, which was reflected in two. Then in DA2 he saw the Templars go off the deep end and commmit atrocities. 

 

I think the important lesson he learned there was that, even without inborn power and the danger of demons, a person can still find a way to do a lot of damage. So he can learn from his mistakes and correct his views and behavior accordingly. That is not the mark of a bad person.

It's the mark of a non-sociopath, to be sure. But I'd call him more a potentially good person than one who actually is good.

[wiccame]

My personal thoughts on Cullen is that while he said (and probably done) some really crappy things, I can totally see why he turned out the way he did due to his previous experiences. The fact that in DAI he seems to be mellowing out a bit is an interesting development, doubly so because we'll actually be able to ask him about his past and why he behaved/behaves the way he does. It's easier to get a better understanding of a person/character when you can actually see the bigger picture from all sides and all perspectives.

I never really saw him as a bad person/templar. In fact if mages had to be locked up and watched I would prefer to have a tower full of Cullens/Thrasks/Kerans. 

He has had all his perceptions tainted but he never let that turn into something truly horrible. He's not particularly nice to mages but he isn't a total @ss to them either. He has no time for them and he doesn't give them the same level of compassion as he did before but I still see him trying to 'help' them albeit in a twisted sense of what he believes to be right.

[jtav]

I prefer to be charitable to most characters who have any nuance at all, though there are some who I just can't manage. Because, well, God save us from what we deserve. Cullen's f;awed. But I'd rather have that than smug righteousness.

[SamaraDraven]

While such people are obviously being jerks and expressing themselves poorly, I think their motivation will often come from A. Cullen being a loyal member of an antagonist faction in a way that no one else except Sten has been, and/or B. Cullen's romantic behavior pushing all the wrong buttons.

Perhaps. He is now a member of a different faction. We'll just have to wait and see how he is these days. And it's fine if people don't like him. It's the incessant horn blaring from people who seek to get a rise out of others I can't stand. Especially when it gets to grossly generalizing the fans. And I do find it hypocritical of a person to defend a character for being morally grey and a prod cut of his/her environment but hate another for being morally grey and a product of his/her environment.

[Panda]

It's the mark of a non-sociopath, to be sure. But I'd call him more a potentially good person than one who actually is good.

 

I think goodness of person is highly subjective though. I see Cullen as good person but I know that there is lot of people who don't share my view ^^

[Lady Shayna]

I think goodness of person is highly subjective though. I see Cullen as good person but I know that there is lot of people who don't share my view ^^

 

 

I do as well, if it helps any.  Then again, I generally think the templar order and the Circle serve a very necessary and positive function, though there needs to be better checks and balances, as both Tevinter and Kirkwall prove in each direction.  Thus, it's easy for me to believe that Cullen was trying his best to find a way to protect everyone involved.  If you believe that the Circle and the order are, by their nature, pretty much evil and oppressive, you're unlikely to agree, of course.

 

Then again, my impressions were from playing DA: O but watching play through videos of DA2, so there's that.