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[CuriousArtemis]

There are actually very few characters I dislike. In the DA universe I can only think of Oghren.

[Panda]

I have complicated relationship with Anders. I sometimes like him and sometimes dislike him, it kinda changes.

[john-in-france]

One of my favourite endings...Carver and Cullen as Templar, and a pro-Chantry Hawke.

 

[Reaverwind]

There are actually very few characters I dislike. In the DA universe I can only think of Oghren.

 

I found myself pretty much disliking most of the DA2 cast, including Hawke.

[Tishina]

There are actually very few characters I dislike. In the DA universe I can only think of Oghren.

I didn't even dislike Oghren. I just didn't want him in my party, belching, etc. I probably came closest to disliking Sebastian (of the NPCs who were party members). Please don't throw anything at me if you loved Seb, it's just a matter of personal taste about the personality type...

[SamaraDraven]

Out of curiosity, does that include Anders?

I think the difference between Cullen and Anders is that Anders KNOWS what he's doing is wrong. He knows he's killing innocent people and dragging more innocent people into a conflict they may have not wanted to be involved in. Cullen is trying to do what he feels is right but that's at odds with what he's been conditioned to believe is right and that is at further odds to what he's being told is right by those who command him. That he seems to want to try and do the "right thing" makes me think of him as good. I once thought Anders was good too but I believe he's lost sight of "good and evil" thanks to Vengeance. He's not beyond redemption. He could try to help make things right. He knew what he did was horrible but did it anyway. At the end of the day, I find that to be more "evil". But some people, once they see the horror they've wrought; can devote their lives to repenting and fixing the mess. There's no reason this can't apply to Anders if Vengeance doesn't have full sway over him.

[Hellion Rex]

There are actually very few characters I dislike. In the DA universe I can only think of Oghren.

GOD, I HATED HIM WITH A PASSION. The only other character I hate is Petrice. All the other companions are either ok or great in my opinion. Isabela and Alistair are probably my top two companions, cause they both had some great dialogue.

[SamaraDraven]

I also ship them, so....

Like together?

[Char]

I see the situation with the mages as being very anologous to the situation of lepers in medieval England. Leprosy is not a particularly contagious disease in itself, but still prevents a public health risk, and without careful supervision sufferers often harmed themselves further, resulting in loss of extremities.
Houses and hospitals were set up for sufferers, run by, and attatched to religious organisations, as a voluntary retreat from society and a place where treatments could be attempted.
A religious order of knights, the Order of Lazarus, formed to take care of the lepers and protect them from themselves and others.
At one stage, fear of lepers became so widespread that they were ordered to stay in the hospitals permanently, taking away their ability to visit friends and family.

The knights of the Order made sure that the lepers had access to good food, treatment, and a safe haven to retreat to in a harsh world. For a period of time, their duty of care made them jailers, but the roots of the order were still very self-sacrificing and honourable for their time.

The templars in DA:O often took things to extremes, in closed situations without external supervision atrocities can happen (think about the Stamford Prison Expt) and otherwise good people can find themselves doing things they would never believe themselves capable of.
I don't see Cullen as a bad person, more a good person in a closed situation, exposed mainly to people o whose advantage it is that the current system continue, and people he has been taught need guarding for their own good. When something is your normality it can be very hard to see any flaws or cruelties. It is much easier to pass unbiased judgement from an outside perspective, and the circles lack this.

EDIT: I should add that my analogy linking the Order of Lazarus specifically falls a little flat, because unlike most people guarding the hospitals, the Order actually included many knights who suffered from leprosy, and they fought alongside able-bodied knights in many wars. It just so hapens that they're the only organisation I can out a name to

[john-in-france]

Getting back OT

 

Art/screenshot by Berelinde

 

[CuriousArtemis]

Like together?

Ohh yes is there any other way?

[CuriousArtemis]

GOD, I HATED HIM WITH A PASSION. The only other character I hate is Petrice. All the other companions are either ok or great in my opinion. Isabela and Alistair are probably my top two companions, cause they both had some great dialogue.

Petrice was just underdeveloped; it took me a few playthroughs to even understand why she was doing what she was doing.

[Hellion Rex]

I also ship them, so....

Spoiler

[CuriousArtemis]

Getting back OT

Excuse you, Cullen x Anders is VERY on topic

[SamaraDraven]

Ohh yes is there any other way?

Err... Whatever floats your boat, I suppose. I'm just surprised. I don't see the appeal. To me, such a relationship would be... problematic. But that's me.

[CuriousArtemis]

Spoiler

I haven't seen this!!! :-O

I read a cute story where Anders gives a young Templar recruit Cullen a ****** lol It was pretty funny.

[TinkerQueen]

I am looking forward to meeting Cullen again.  I always feel bad for him when I play the first two games because he gets no love    I think I will make up for lost time!

[Potato Cat]

Petrice was just underdeveloped; it took me a few playthroughs to even understand why she was doing what she was doing.

Oh good it wasn't just me. Yeah, I was confused by the Sheparding Wolves quest for ages, I thought it had bugged out and missed something important. I couldn't understand why Hawke was suddenly angry and Petrice has shifted to a cackling, moustache twirling, Qunari hating villain. Oh and it seems to take them so bloody long to leave the Lowtown shack for some reason? Weird.

[Xilizhra]

I think the difference between Cullen and Anders is that Anders KNOWS what he's doing is wrong. He knows he's killing innocent people and dragging more innocent people into a conflict they may have not wanted to be involved in. Cullen is trying to do what he feels is right but that's at odds with what he's been conditioned to believe is right and that is at further odds to what he's being told is right by those who command him. That he seems to want to try and do the "right thing" makes me think of him as good. I once thought Anders was good too but I believe he's lost sight of "good and evil" thanks to Vengeance. He's not beyond redemption. He could try to help make things right. He knew what he did was horrible but did it anyway. At the end of the day, I find that to be more "evil". But some people, once they see the horror they've wrought; can devote their lives to repenting and fixing the mess. There's no reason this can't apply to Anders if Vengeance doesn't have full sway over him.

Using the same metrics, I tilt things more toward Anders because I believe he has a clearer picture of morality than Cullen, whose picture is badly fogged. It's not necessarily Cullen's fault, but his loyalty to the wrong side is more damaging, in my opinion, than Anders doing something terrible for the right one. Especially since Anders wants to fix things almost immediately afterward.

[CuriousArtemis]

Err... Whatever floats your boat, I suppose. I'm just surprised. I don't see the appeal. To me, such a relationship would be... problematic. But that's me.

Hey I like a little conflict in my ships Plus I did dream about them being together, which helps. Wow that was an angstrom dream. Did not end happily.

[MacyNell]

I also ship them, so....

Then I'm sure you're familiar with  http://dorianpavus.deviantart.com/ ! 

[CuriousArtemis]

Oh good it wasn't just me. Yeah, I was confused by the Sheparding Wolves quest for ages, I thought it had bugged out and missed something important. I couldn't understand why Hawke was suddenly angry and Petrice has shifted to a cackling, moustache twirling, Qunari hating villain. Oh and it seems to take them so bloody long to leave the Lowtown shack for some reason? Weird.

And why did this guy I just saved light himself on fire?! Yeah lol

[CuriousArtemis]

Then I'm sure you're familiar with http://dorianpavus.deviantart.com/ !

LOL I wasn't! Guess he/she is a fan!

[Char]

I've just realised what a long, spelling-mistake riddled post I wrote above *sigh* I hate typing on my phone.

[Hellion Rex]

Oh good it wasn't just me. Yeah, I was confused by the Sheparding Wolves quest for ages, I thought it had bugged out and missed something important. I couldn't understand why Hawke was suddenly angry and Petrice has shifted to a cackling, moustache twirling, Qunari hating villain. Oh and it seems to take them so bloody long to leave the Lowtown shack for some reason? Weird.

I didn't think her Act 1 quest was that bad. She just wanted to use Ketojan as a scapegoat. She's a zealot gone wrong. No, Act 2 is where I began to despise her. Especially with her killing of Saemus Dunmar.