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[Basement Cat]

I still find it odd knowing that Liz Lehtonen (one of the producers) has been romancing Cullen, and that they have regular "woo" breaks... it's just really surreal knowing not only that he's woo-able, but also completely happy to reciprocate the wooing! Like, we've been talking about it and writing/drawing it for years, and soon we'll actually be able to do it.

 

... More to the point, he willingly let's you! That's quite the progress coming from the man that ran away from your Warden in DA:O, and was completely shut off in DA2. Amazing! For a long time I really didn't think we'd ever actually get him in a game as an important character, let alone a romance option!

You almost didn't! He was a late addition, remember?

 

I'm guessing with the world in such serious jeopardy he's decided to seize the day and all that. A pretty lady is coming on to you? Go for it! Like a lion!

[Galagraphia]

The devs said that the character's clothes reflect their personalities, right? Like Cassandra's little hearts all over her armour hinting that she's a secret romantic (which we now know to be true), so, Cullen with his little Templar Insignias on his outfit, despite him saying (in that VO screenshot) in-game that "we are no longer templars" must be an indication of something. I mean, if he considered himself to be no longer be a Templar and had no problem with it then he would've cast off those Sword of Mercy gauntlets and tabards, but instead he still wears them when he could easily replace them with the Inquisition symbol or something else. 

 

The fact that they still remain on his person suggest that he's of the: "what am I, if not a Templar?" Mindset, which (in theory) would certainly lead some sort of head-mess, especially with the rebel Templars running around slaughtering mages in the streets, something he doesn't stand for, and to a greater extreme those red Templars huffing red lyrium and sprouting crystals... I had to fight loads of them in the DAMP demo, and they're all mutated to varying degrees, creepy as hell! Some of them are bound to be Templars that he once knew and fought along side with, what with it being discovered in Kirkwall 'n' everything. There's no way he left the Order and subsequently witnessed all that without being a bit traumatised.

 

If he isn't, then they've missed a really big opportunity with that one.

I think he may still believe that there was something good in being a templar, and he keeps these symbols as a reminder of those values. I wonder if we can lead him to a stage of complete disappointment and rejection, where he will remove all those swords of mercy from his armor. Although I think it may not be the best option. I don't know. It's only what, 43 days left? I don't want to predict anything anymore. I just want to get the game and get to the part where I can give him hugs He deserves that.

[Chanda]

Aww, man was ordered to behead another human being, who he thought was innocent, who his duty was to protect. I bet he later joined the Inquisition and became that impossibly handsome templar BioWare people were tweeting about I hear his beauty rivals Cullen's. But I will believe it only when I see it myself.

 

We don't know what Meredith told him. He wasn't there when Anders did the thing. In the Gallows he says that he hopes to resolve the conflict with little bloodshed. I suppose he hopes that if mages are innocent, they will surrender, and they will have to fight only blood mages (because initially it was supposed to be about blood mages, until Anders killed Elthina). But as they progress, he notices that Meredith just wants everyone dead, and realizes that she is the problem. Why didn't he oppose her until she turned on Hawke? Because it's difficult to do something like that when you are being attacked by mages, shades, demons and abominations, and that's what was happening, culminating in Orsino himself resorting to blood magic, and turning into a creepy flesh golem. I believe Cullen just didn't have the time to think it all through and act earlier. But I would like to hear what he has to say about that whole thing in DAI. I wonder what he was told about the annulment too.

 

I bet that was Hugh! Remember he disagreed with Meredith and was made a pariah?

[LolaLei]

You almost didn't! He was a late addition, remember?

 

I'm guessing with the world in such serious jeopardy he's decided to seize the day and all that. A pretty lady is coming on to you? Go for it! Like a lion!

 

Exactly! And knowing that makes it feel all the more surreal! Hell, I've known he was going to be a romance option for a long time (good ol' NDA) but it never really sunk in until recently... I'm not even sure it's fully sunk in even now, lol!

[lil yonce]

Basically, he's a military man.  Takes a lot for them to break the habit of being commanded, and to take on their commander. 

This is true, but a lot of people thought Meredith was unstable at this point and Cullen was starting to agree himself earlier in act 3, there was a lot of resistance to her even within the Order, and, generally, I think there's a limit on doing things just because you were told to do them.

Modifié par lil yonce, 05 octobre 2014 - 05:35 .

[Basement Cat]

Exactly! And knowing that makes it feel all the more surreal! Hell, I've known he was going to be a romance option for a long time (good ol' NDA) but it never really sunk in until recently... I'm not even sure it's fully sunk in even now, lol!

Oh, I'm sure Cullen is going to sink in alright. 

[Tishina]

I'm guessing with the world in such serious jeopardy he's decided to seize the day and all that. A pretty lady is coming on to you? Go for it! Like a lion!

Hmm, Cullen-the-lion makes his romance a lot more appealing than Cullen-running-through-the-door. Though making him blush at least once could be fun.

[R2s Muse]

Didn't the writers actually say that we'd get bored if they gave us a romance without any angst/issues to sort through? I feel like it was DG who said it, but don't quote me on that one.

 

I'm sure some sort of "omg nooooooo!" Moment will happen with Cullen, even if it's just external issues forcing them/almost forcing them apart, like the Fade breach killing us/nearly killing us when we try to close it or whatever.

It was Mary Kirby explaining why Varric wasn't an LI in DA2. But, it was DG who said "angst" was in Cullen's future. 

[Chanda]

It was Mary Kirby explaining why Varric wasn't an LI in DA2. But, it was DG who said "angst" was in Cullen's future. 

 

I bet the angst has to do with lyrium withdrawal or some such.

[R2s Muse]

I bet the angst has to do with lyrium withdrawal or some such.

:shrug: Or angst over his choices in Kirkwall, or angst over no longer believing in the Templar Order, or angst in being private person instead of a cog in someone else's wheel. Doesn't always have to be lyrium. 

[Galagraphia]

I still find it odd knowing that Liz Lehtonen (one of the producers) has been romancing Cullen, and that they have regular "woo" breaks... it's just really surreal knowing not only that he's woo-able, but also completely happy to reciprocate the wooing! Like, we've been talking about it and writing/drawing it for years, and soon we'll actually be able to do it.

 

... More to the point, he willingly let's you! That's quite the progress coming from the man that ran away from your Warden in DA:O, and was completely shut off in DA2. Amazing! For a long time I really didn't think we'd ever actually get him in a game as an important character, let alone a romance option!

I think the regular woo breaks is an indication that you can't just grab his noodlebutt and drag him into your bed, it will take some time, and maybe some main story stuff to happen too. To me it looks like romancing Cullen won't be easy, and I hope it's true! I would be disappointed if he were too eager to start a relationship, especially because he never seemed really interested before. So yay, woo breaks! As many as possible, please! 

[LolaLei]

Oh, I'm sure Cullen is going to sink in alright. 

 

He better!     

[LolaLei]

I think the regular woo breaks is an indication that you can't just grab his noodlebutt and drag him into your bed, it will take some time, and maybe some main story stuff to happen too. To me it looks like romancing Cullen won't be easy, and I hope it's true! I would be disappointed if he were too eager to start a relationship, especially because he never seemed really interested before. So yay, woo breaks! As many as possible, please! 

 

I just figured she meant that she regularly visited him for makeout session, like we did in DA:O where you could walk over to your LI and demand a kiss and they'd oblige... but hey, if there's actual content rather than just demanding kisses then I'm all for it!

[Chanda]

:shrug: Or angst over his choices in Kirkwall, or angst over no longer believing in the Templar Order, or angst in being private person instead of a cog in someone else's wheel. Doesn't always have to be lyrium. 

 

That's true. But lyrium addiction makes all that stuff even angstier. (Probably not a word, but eh.)

[jtav]

Honestly, if I ever get around to Cullen's romance (he's in my top three but it's a long game), it'll be as a Dalish. My first instinct as a human mage would be to lob fireballs at him. Ostwick is close enough to Kirkwall that I imagine the abuses there would be well known. I need that distance (and it gives me an out for the fraternization).

 

I'd much prefer his conflicts come from doing serious self-examination than something external like lyrium withdrawal.

[R2s Muse]

...and since there really isn't anything we haven't already discussed... I'll just quote myself... from three years ago...   Of course, at least now we know he's not a templar at all. 
 

I was also just reading really interesting posts by Mary Kirby on the Varric thread about the thought process BW writers go through in designing a LI. Wow. I stand again by our previous discussion that Cullen is the love interest made in Bioware heaven.
 
She talks about how, for a good romance, you need angst/drama within the relationship -- i.e. why won't they get together, as opposed to various external obstacles. But they have the additional constraint that they can't decide what the PC thinks/feels. Wow, tough to write. That said, heh, I think Cullen can have issues GALORE about why he can't hook up with your PC... even if she's not a mage.
 
I'm a templar, we don't often get permission for such relationships.
I'm a templar, you're a mage and a weapon.
I have lyrium addiction, we can't be together.
I've been thrown out of the templars, I'm broken and no good for anyone.
... the list could go on.

[R2s Muse]

I just figured she meant that she regularly visited him for makeout session, like we did in DA:O where you could walk over to your LI and demand a kiss and they'd oblige... but hey, if there's actual content rather than just demanding kisses then I'm all for it!

This is what I was figuring as well. That you can stop in at home for a snog before heading out to the field again. I guess I thought she was using "woo" ironically. 

[Galagraphia]

I bet that was Hugh! Remember he disagreed with Meredith and was made a pariah?

No, Hugh wasn't wearing templar armor. And he wasn't hot enough to be the next Mister Thedas

[Tishina]

No, Hugh wasn't wearing templar armor. And he wasn't hot enough to be the next Mister Thedas

And I think they also referred to him as the new hot Templar, implying someone who hasn't been introduced before.

[Galagraphia]

I just figured she meant that she regularly visited him for makeout session, like we did in DA:O where you could walk over to your LI and demand a kiss and they'd oblige... but hey, if there's actual content rather than just demanding kisses then I'm all for it!

 

This is what I was figuring as well. That you can stop in at home for a snog before heading out to the field again. I guess I thought she was using "woo" ironically. 

Aww, ok, I just hope it doesn't happen after the first dinner  I want a tasteful amount of angst and issues, that must be resolved first. Especially because I'm going to play as a mage Trevelyan, so they will have a lot to discuss, even though she doesn't give a damn about Circles and mage rights

[Tishina]

Aww, ok, I just hope it doesn't happen after the first dinner  I want a tasteful amount of angst and issues, that must be resolved first. Especially because I'm going to play as a mage Trevelyan, so they will have a lot to discuss, even though she doesn't give a damn about Circles and mage rights

Yes, I'd imagine there'll have to be issues for a Lavellan romance as well. But I'm guessing whatever the main angst is, it has to apply to both a human or elf, and a mage or non-mage. I can't imagine they'd want to "spend" a major portion of the word budget creating completely separate threads (though I'd be disappointed if there weren't some differences, considering his background).

[meanieweenie]

...and since there really isn't anything we haven't already discussed... I'll just quote myself... from three years ago...   Of course, at least now we know he's not a templar at all. 
 

Pst! Your mutant powers are showing.... how the hell can you recall and site a post from 3 years ago?! 

[Sable Rhapsody]

Honestly, if I ever get around to Cullen's romance (he's in my top three but it's a long game), it'll be as a Dalish. My first instinct as a human mage would be to lob fireballs at him. Ostwick is close enough to Kirkwall that I imagine the abuses there would be well known. I need that distance (and it gives me an out for the fraternization).

 

While I like the idea of romancing Cullen with a mage, I've already got one Dalish rogue, and I have enough trouble RPing the Dalish where I don't think I'd make a Dalish mage.  And the idea of playing a more Loyalist mage has always turned my stomach for some reason.

 

TBH, I might just romance Cullen with a human noble.  I like drama in my fiction, but I think I have a more limited emotional capacity for it than most  I can only handle a trainwreck like Anders every once in a while before I just find it exhausting, and the human noble seems like she's the least likely to push Cullen's angst buttons.

[LolaLei]

Aww, ok, I just hope it doesn't happen after the first dinner I want a tasteful amount of angst and issues, that must be resolved first. Especially because I'm going to play as a mage Trevelyan, so they will have a lot to discuss, even though she doesn't give a damn about Circles and mage rights

We could ask Liz how easy Cullen is to romance in terms of angst and willingness?

[Galagraphia]

We could ask Liz how easy Cullen is to romance in terms of angst and willingness?

We could try Can you do it? I don't know how to phrase it best.