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Agreed. A lot of people seem to consider his inclusion in Inquisition fan service because "fangirls wanted to romance him" But remember that he wasn't even going to be a LI ;) Also I really want to know why Cass decides to let you lead The inquisition,most of the companions are more experienced than The inquisitor :P

Part (if not all) the reason is Because of us Being the only one who can save Thedas and close the Breach.
Also, other then Varric, Solas and Cass, I think the others will join after we'll become the Inquisitor.
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In the end, I think we'll get a good indication (if not told outright) of why each advisor was chosen. While I can see that some people don't like him, you can't deny he has credentials enough for the position - and if you don't agree with that, then you'll have to take it up with Cass!



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While I agree on the PC's qualifications, the PC has Sort of the upper hand. He's the only one able to close the Fade rifts. He can theorically give Cass an ultimatum: either she makes him the leader or she can go try to stop the Breach by herself.
I doubt we'll have the option to say this in the game, but Cassandra might fear this outcome. Or maybe there's Something else We don't know. I admit that if the PC will become the boss just Because he'll show he can close the rifts, I'll be a bit disappointed.

I am thinking they need someone maybe outside the chantry ranks to lead. We are just a token leader with someone else pulling on the reins. 

It won't make us qualified just convenient.


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Part (if not all) the reason is Because of us Being the only one who can save Thedas and close the Breach.
Also, other then Varric, Solas and Cass, I think the others will join after we'll become the Inquisitor.

Yeah but we can still close rifts and breaches without being leader. Cassandra and Cullen are professional warriors and Josie or Vivienne can handle diplomacy. They have far more experience in leader roles, they could easily do it. 

There has to be an ulterior motive for making us leader.


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I am thinking they need someone maybe outside the chantry ranks to lead. We are just a token leader with someone else pulling on the reins. 
It won't make us qualified just convenient.

I don't think we'll be a token leader. I think the moment we'll become the leader we'll have full command.

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Yeah but we can still close rifts and breaches without being leader. Cassandra and Cullen are professional warriors and Josie or Vivienne can handle diplomacy. They have far more experience in leader roles, they could easily do it.
There has to be an ulterior motive for making us leader.

I'm thinking this is where the Herald of Andraste thing comes into play.
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Yeah but we can still close rifts and breaches without being leader. Cassandra and Cullen are professional warriors and Josie or Vivienne can handle diplomacy. They have far more experience in leader roles, they could easily do it. 
There has to be an ulterior motive for making us leader.


Of course We can close the rifts without being a leader. The point is, why Would We agree to be their puppet?
Cullen will lead the army, and Josephine is the ambassador, and she'll lead the diplomacy. But they're still our advisors. The last word is still ours.
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I'm thinking this is where the Herald of Andraste thing comes into play.


It's possible that Cass will want us to lead Because she thinks Andraste chose us, Indeed.

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I think the real question is "why is he our commander in the first place?"

 

While you're not likely to agree with this or Cassandra, according to his character blurb: "In the aftermath (of DA2), it was Cullen who rallied what remained of Kirkwall's templars to restore order to the devastated city. His leadership and integrity caught the attention of Cassandra Pentaghast, who recognised in him a vital component in forming the Inquisition." So there's your story/plot reason for his new job title.

 

http://www.dragonage...s/humans/cullen

 

As to why the devs/writers felt that he should be our Commander? Well, that's something you'd likely need to ask them. I would assume it's because he was relevant to DAI's story being that he witnessed first hand the events of DA2, knew Hawke (and in some cases) the Warden personally, he's a controversial character (people love and hate him in equal measures) which makes for good writing, and, like Varric and Leliana, he's good returning character fodder. DAI has drastically changed the way it looks and plays, so I think they wanted a few familiar faces to return to help the player get to grips with the new and improved Thedas... a bit of familiarity to bridge the gap, y'know?


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Why wouldn't he be? He was high up in the chain of command in the templars and worked hard to restore order to Kirkwall. Cassandra was happy to make him commander.

The real question is, what makes us qualified to lead the inquisition, a nobody with no real leader skills that we know of or nothing substantial. 

Oh right...we have the glowy hand. A skill we could still use and NOT be leader.

I think Cullen is more than qualified to lead our armies more than we are qualified to lead the entire organisation.

 

Amen! My Inquisitor (and myself) aren't gonna have an effin' clue how to run an organisation, which is precisely why our advisors are going to be so important to us.

 

In fact, that's likely why they were implemented into the game in the first place. Based on our protagonist backgrounds, a complete noob isn't gonna know how form a successful vigilante group, let alone band together military forces, political power, create spy networks, defeat a big bad, AND close a fade breach with just the aid of our 9 companions, whether Cassandra is on board or not. Hell, the Warden was only able to defeat the Blight because he/she had those Grey Warden treaties to force people into helping. It's the 3 advisors that already have the manpower behind them to bring those key features to the table, you'd need to suspend A LOT of disbelief to convince yourself that the Inquisitor could do this without them.


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Yeah but we can still close rifts and breaches without being leader. Cassandra and Cullen are professional warriors and Josie or Vivienne can handle diplomacy. They have far more experience in leader roles, they could easily do it. 

There has to be an ulterior motive for making us leader.

I think it might be a political move. People might be distrustful of the Chantry after some of the Templar order went rogue and there are a lot of Chantry agents among our advisers and companions. We also know that some of them don't see eye to eye, and having a relative new comer lead the organization may help ease some of those tensions. Aside from the human backgrounds, none of the others are affiliated with the Chantry in any way.

 

The way I see it, either someone is going to suggest making us the leader, or we will take the job after the others get into a deadlock over what to do. In either case, having the 'super special hand' will probably help people fall in line with the decision.

 

But of course the whole 'Herald of Andraste' thing will come into play. Who would not use the 'chosen one' card if they had it?


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There has to be an ulterior motive for making us leader.

 

LOL, most likely! Probably thought we'd make a good front man whilst they pull the strings from behind the scenes. Ain't gonna happen, buddy. Then of course Cass or whoever will realise that we're actually good at what we do, apologise and I'll be like "you can kiss my boots for that one, lady!"


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LOL, most likely! Probably thought we'd make a good front man whilst they pull the strings from behind the scenes. Ain't gonna happen, buddy. Then of course Cass or whoever will realise that we're actually good at what we do, apologise and I'll be like "you can kiss my boots for that one, lady!"

That reminds me: is anyone going to question our leadership like Sten (potentially) did in Origins? That might be an interesting turn of events.



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That reminds me: is anyone going to question our leadership like Sten (potentially) did in Origins? That might be an interesting turn of events.

 

Sera, probably lol!



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Sera, probably lol!


I actually think all the pro-save the villagers will be actively questioning our leadership if we're too pro-save the keep, and vice versa. Varric certainly seemed like he was.

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Sera, probably lol!

She would get shot down quickly I think.

 

Sera: You suck as a leader! I'm calling the shots now.

 

Cassandra: No.

 

Iron Bull: Err... no.

 

Blackwall: Sorry, but no.

 

Solas: Bad idea.

 

Dorian: I don't think so.

 

Vivienne: Absolutely not!

 

Varric: Ahhh, sorry, but no.



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I actually think all the pro-save the villagers will be actively questioning our leadership if we're too pro-save the keep, and vice versa. Varric certainly seemed like he was.

 

Yeah, I could see Sera, Cole, and Blackwall (and Varric obviously) being pretty pissed at you if you don't at least attempt to save them. I don't imagine Cass or Vivienne will be all that bothered, lol.



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She would get shot down quickly I think.

 

Sera: You suck as a leader! I'm calling the shots now.

 

Cassandra: No.

 

Iron Bull: Err... no.

 

Blackwall: Sorry, but no.

 

Solas: Bad idea.

 

Dorian: I don't think so.

 

Vivienne: Absolutely not!

 

Varric: Ahhh, sorry, but no.

 

I don't think she'd be like that. From her writer's interview it seems more like she'd be questioning the Inquisitor's motives and methods, rather than wanting to take over herself. She's for the little people, don't forget. If you're swanning around acting the big man or abusing your power you know she's gonna grill your ass for it.



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Yeah, I could see Sera, Cole, and Blackwall (and Varric obviously) being pretty pissed at you if you don't at least attempt to save them. I don't imagine Cass or Vivienne will be all that bothered, lol.


I think Cassandra, Vivienne and Iron Bull are going to be the pro-save the keepers, with Dorian and Solas perhaps not taking sides? If not I'd lump Dorian with the village and Solas with the keep.

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I don't think she'd be like that. From her writer's interview it seems more like she'd be questioning the Inquisitor's motives and methods, rather than wanting to take over herself. She's for the little people, don't forget. If you're swanning around acting the big man or abusing your power you know she's gonna grill your ass for it.

They did confirm that companions would question our decisions and ask us why we made them. So it might be possible to salvage some relationships even if they don't like our choices.



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I don't think she'd be like that. From her writer's interview it seems more like she'd be questioning the Inquisitor's motives and methods, rather than wanting to take over herself. She's for the little people, don't forget. If you're swanning around acting the big man or abusing your power you know she's gonna grill your ass for it.


This is probably my favourite thing about Sera to be honest. I've wanted regular Thedosians to have a real say for a while now.

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LOL, most likely! Probably thought we'd make a good front man whilst they pull the strings from behind the scenes. Ain't gonna happen, buddy. Then of course Cass or whoever will realise that we're actually good at what we do, apologise and I'll be like "you can kiss my boots for that one, lady!"

I don't think We'll be The front man. Expecially Because we won't be a good one. There are going to be a lot of people pissed at us Because they'll believe We caused this threat, and I don't think they'll vanish right after we'll be knows as the Herald/hero of Andraste. Not everyone will believe this, more so if you're a qunari/elf/mage/dwarf.
I don't think many will blame the Chantry either, and even if they will, a non-mage Human will have ties with the Chantry anyway.
I do believe that the inquisitor will definitely need his advisors, but we'll still be the one calling the Shots.
Though it's possible we won't be the Inquisition leader for the first quests, and in those we'll be a kind of subordinate.

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I don't think We'll be The front man. Expecially Because we won't be a good one. There are going to be a lot of people pissed at us Because they'll believe We caused this threat, and I don't think they'll vanish right after we'll be knows as the Herald/hero of Andraste. Not everyone will believe this, more so if you're a qunari/elf/mage/dwarf.
I don't think many will blame the Chantry either, and even if they will, a non-mage Human will have ties with the Chantry anyway.
I do believe that the inquisitor will definitely need his advisors, but we'll still be the one calling the Shots.
Though it's possible we won't be the Inquisition leader for the first quests, and in those we'll be a kind of subordinate.

Didn't they say that we wouldn't start as the leader? I read that somewhere. Which makes it all the more intriguing. How are we going to become the leader? Not why, but how. Is it just going to happen? Will there be a formal ceremony? How?



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I think Cassandra, Vivienne and Iron Bull are going to be the pro-save the keepers, with Dorian and Solas perhaps not taking sides? If not I'd lump Dorian with the village and Solas with the keep.

 

Yeah, Solas doesn't see things in black & white so he'll likely stay out of it and Dorian probably won't question it. IB is a difficult one, his unofficial reason for joining the Inquisition is that he wants to help people, so he might surprise us with his reaction. Not sure how the advisors would react, if at all. I could imagine Cullen probably sympathising since he has to make tough decisions too... unless there's something in place that lets characters and advisors know just how prepared you are for those timed events? In which case, if he knew you could have easily saved both and picked the Keep over the village I could imagine that he'd probably have something to say about it.



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I don't think We'll be The front man. Expecially Because we won't be a good one. There are going to be a lot of people pissed at us Because they'll believe We caused this threat, and I don't think they'll vanish right after we'll be knows as the Herald/hero of Andraste. Not everyone will believe this, more so if you're a qunari/elf/mage/dwarf.
I don't think many will blame the Chantry either, and even if they will, a non-mage Human will have ties with the Chantry anyway.
I do believe that the inquisitor will definitely need his advisors, but we'll still be the one calling the Shots.
Though it's possible we won't be the Inquisition leader for the first quests, and in those we'll be a kind of subordinate.

 

Good point. In which case, something must happen for us to prove ourselves... presumably more than just "look what my magic hand can do!" 


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