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[Sable Rhapsody]

Meh.  Hating fictional characters (unless they're meant to be hated like Petrice or the Ur Example Dolores Umbridge) is IMO exhausting.  Squee is much more fun! 

[phyreblade74]

And yet still participated in Meredith's genocide, something I've neither forgotten nor forgiven.

 

 

Well, clearly he's not a templar anymore; the Order went rogue.

 

And saved mages as he went along, too.  He continued to voice calm rationale, even in the midst of a world blown to pieces.  By a mage, no less.

[thats1evildude]

And yet still participated in Meredith's genocide, something I've neither forgotten nor forgiven.

Well, technically speaking, Hawke probably killed more mages than Cullen.

[CuriousArtemis]

Meh.  Hating fictional characters (unless they're meant to be hated like Petrice or the Ur Example Dolores Umbridge) is IMO exhausting.  Squee is much more fun! 

 

I would agree with you but then I wouldn't be able to explain my irrational hate for Oghren xD

[Hellion Rex]

I always saw Cullen driven by his sense of justice and for the Greater Good of people. He defied Meredith only because she became of threat for everyone and even for herself.

True, but it still needed to note that he didn't do anything until Meredith went absolutely nuts at the last second. He didn't stop her when she declared an Annulment, even though anyone with half a brain would know it was Anders', an apostate's, fault that Elthina died, and that the Circle wasn't responsible.

[The Elder King]

Meh.  Hating fictional characters (unless they're meant to be hated like Petrice or the Ur Example Dolores Umbridge) is IMO exhausting.  Squee is much more fun! 

I disagree. I don't see why only some characters 'deserve' to be hated. Even if I don't agree with Xil, I don't have problems in her hating/not liking Cullen.

[Hellion Rex]

And saved mages as he went along, too.

Which mages did he save during the Annulment, though? He didn't say a word until Meredith threatened Hawke at the end.

[Milan92]

Too soon to tell, but from that one conversation, he seems more aggressive than he was in DA2. I still found it surprising that Leliana was the one to advocate asking the mages for help. I think I will be following her advice in this.

 

I feel the same. I'll probably side with the mages once again.

 

It would be nice if we meet Rhys. Provided he doesn't get killed during the breach.

[Boudicae]

I disagree. I don't see why only some characters 'deserve' to be hated. Even if I don't agree with Xil, I don't have problems in her hating/not liking Cullen.

 

I only have a problem with Xil hopping into the thread at least once a week to say something about how much she hates Cullen and/or wants to kill him. But hey, that's what the "ignore" feature is for

[The Elder King]

Which mages did he save during the Annulment, though? He didn't say a word until Meredith threatened Hawke at the end.

The ones Hawke meet that can spare (they'll likely become tranquils though). Don't know about others, but We might learn more in DAI, I guess.

[Xilizhra]

And saved mages as he went along, too.  He continued to voice calm rationale, even in the midst of a world blown to pieces.  By a mage, no less.

If he wanted to really save anyone and not just save them for later Tranquility, he'd have mutinied.

 

By Nuremberg standards, I would say that he should be hanged. I don't personally like the death penalty myself, but I also want to see him brought to account.

 

 

Well, technically speaking, Hawke probably killed more mages than Cullen.

In that one quest? No. Hawke kills one mage at the Docks, who seems to have killed a bunch of other mages herself and who summons a great deal of demons to attack Hawke on sight, then some other mages who were enthralled by a desire demon.

[AresKeith]

 

Good catch by Ashe saying that was a Red Templar fighting the Inquisitor 

[Xilizhra]

I only have a problem with Xil hopping into the thread at least once a week to say something about how much she hates Cullen and/or wants to kill him. But hey, that's what the "ignore" feature is for

Ah, clearly you didn't see my meaningful song choice for Cullen that went over rather well.

[Hellion Rex]

I only have a problem with Xil hopping into the thread at least once a week to say something about how much she hates Cullen and/or wants to kill him. But hey, that's what the "ignore" feature is for

She's perfectly allowed to discuss her views on the character as this is a discussion thread. It's a person's right to speak of either their like or dislike towards a character.

[AresKeith]

Which mages did he save during the Annulment, though? He didn't say a word until Meredith threatened Hawke at the end.

 

The ones Hawke saves those mages on the Templar side, Cullen also tries to spare them but got over ruled by Meredith

[Hellion Rex]

Good catch by Ashe saying that was a Red Templar fighting the Inquisitor 

Yeah, it looked almost like a cutscene though, and that caught my attention.

[Boudicae]

She's perfectly allowed to discuss her views on the character as this is a discussion thread. It's a person's right to speak of either their like or dislike towards a character.

 

I have absolutely no problem with people not liking Cullen, or having opinions that do not match mine, and using this thread to discuss them. The only thing I have a problem with is people who intentionally cause drama for the sake of drama.

[jtav]

I actually almost always side with the templars in DA2, so I can't hold it against him.

[Sable Rhapsody]

I disagree. I don't see why only some characters 'deserve' to be hated. Even if I don't agree with Xil, I don't have problems in her hating/not liking Cullen.

 

My apologies to both you and Xil, I wasn't clear.  I *personally* run out of emotional steam, as it were, when it comes to hating characters--with the exception of characters that are written to inspire dislike and nothing more.  I think I just lack the energy to sustain any kind of hate against most characters 

[The Elder King]

My apologies to both you and Xil, I wasn't clear.  I *personally* run out of emotional steam, as it were, when it comes to hating characters--with the exception of characters that are written to inspire dislike and nothing more.  I think I just lack the energy to sustain any kind of hate against most characters 

Understood .

[Xilizhra]

My apologies to both you and Xil, I wasn't clear.  I *personally* run out of emotional steam, as it were, when it comes to hating characters--with the exception of characters that are written to inspire dislike and nothing more.  I think I just lack the energy to sustain any kind of hate against most characters 

Actually, I don't really maintain energy of hatred against fictional characters either, unless they're both horrible and invincible.

[jtav]

What I really appreciate about DA is the ideological breathing space. With the exception of people like Howe, it feels like the game is content to let me like or dislike whoever. There's less shouting in my ear that these people are "Bad bad bad and how dare you like them!"

[Galagraphia]

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Not necessarily. His Major concerns seems the use of massive magic, that might be too dangerous. He might be biased towards templars, but he didn't trash mage, so it seems to me he has more problem with magic being used for the Breach then mages. Also, I'm interested by the fact that he's Not a templar anymore apparently.
He might still be anti-Mage, but there's Nothing in stream that suggested he is. We'll have to wait and see.

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I agree. His objection seems logical, actually: when you power something, it can blow up something; if you suppress something, it can be weakened. I suspect that he's afraid that powering the unknown mark will just cause another explosion, and more death, so he wants to try something he understands, something predictable. Perhaps if we gather more info on the mark and the breach, Cullen will change his mind. For now he seems to be just cautious.

I also didn't see his comment as pro-templar or anti-mage. I think safety is his main concern. But it came out as pro-templar, just because he is a former templar. I suspect nothing will be that simple with him. There was a good moment in Last Flight:

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A former templar says, that she is not a templar anymore, and now she's allowed to see shades of gray. I think it can be applied to Cullen too, and he will show more flexibility now.

 

Edit for the top:

I call this one "Cullen's pick-up face", because I felt like jumping on his horse (if he had a horse).

[The Elder King]

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I agree. His objection seems logical, actually: when you power something, it can blow up something; if you suppress something, it can be weakened. I suspect that he's afraid that powering the unknown mark will just cause another explosion, and more death, so he wants to try something he understands, something predictable. Perhaps if we gather more info on the mark and the breach, Cullen will change his mind. For now he seems to be just cautious.

I also didn't see his comment as pro-templar or anti-mage. I think safety is his main concern. But it came out as pro-templar, just because he is a former templar. I suspect nothing will be that simple with him. There was a good moment in Last Flight:

Spoiler

A former templar says, that she is not a templar anymore, and now she's allowed to see shades of gray. I think it can be applied to Cullen too, and he will show more flexibility now.

I agree on this .
@jtav: Ah, Howe. It's always a pleasure to see him dying by the Cousland's sword.

[Sable Rhapsody]

What I really appreciate about DA is the ideological breathing space. With the exception of people like Howe, it feels like the game is content to let me like or dislike whoever. There's less shouting in my ear that these people are "Bad bad bad and how dare you like them!"

 

Well, anyone voiced by Tim Curry is sort of destined for the hammy villain box    I couldn't even hate him, I just laughed at him whenever he talked.

 

It made it really awkward with Nate in DA:A.  He was all "My name is Nathaniel Howe.  You killed my father.  Prepare to die!"  And my Warden just kind of stared at him, confused, until she realized he meant that crazy old guy in Denerim.