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[Not a Cat Doll]

http://www.twitch.tv...are/b/577781873

Gracias, alwayshungry, gracias!

[Lilaeth]

Ahh so maybe I'm not crazy?! I need confirmation as to when this was mentioned!! Seems... significant

I think the original post said that we needed a scene like that, not that it had happened?

 

I've never done a DA2 pro-Templar play through.  Might do that between now and DAI coming out.

[alwayshungry]

Gracias, alwayshungry, gracias!

Be warned, there are spoilers for the Inquisitor's first meeting with the advisors!

[Not a Cat Doll]

Be warned, there are spoilers for the Inquisitor's first meeting with the advisors!

Noted- I will proceed with caution. Thanks again!

[Sifr]

 

I mean, Gamlen came from a family with magic in its bloodline and his first reaction to Leandra's death was "lock the mages up and throw away the key."

 

I figured that was grief talking.

 

The only two mages we ever hear Gamlen talking about negatively (Malcolm and Quentin) both are responsible for taking his sister away from him, so it seems more to me that he's simply deflecting the anger he holds at himself for never mending the strained and complicated relationship with his sister.

 

It would fit my theory that Gamlen secretly idolised his sister and hated Malcolm for taking her away from him, leaving him alone with parents who didn't think too much of him. After all, he never calls Malcolm by name, only ever referring to him (with utter venom) as "that Fereldan apostate".

 

Sort of like how Carver compensates for his feelings of inadequacy and inferiority because he's not a mage like his father and sibling(s), by hating on mages at every opportunity.

[Sifr]

Real life has kept me from checking in here for a while, but I can't help but notice some glorious new Cullen gifs (hubba hubba, etc.) Can anyone help a fellow Cullenite out by telling me what they're being created from? Did I *gasp* miss a video somewhere?

 

The image of him walking in the snow (with swagger) is from the new trailer as well, although I think that's his only appearance in it?

[Aunty Social]

So off topic and spoilers for TWD (season 1 game)

 

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I am apparently in the minority, because I just want people to be alive ya know?  So I was trying to save as many people as possible and let a teacher, and a random woman get eaten.  I had my mouth covered the entire time, like "I cannot believe I effing did that... WHY did I do that?"  This game is giving me a complex.  On the other hand, there are choices where I was presented with a couple of things to do, but I wouldn't have actually done any of them.  Zombie survival skills.  I has them.  So Im told anyhow.  Anyhow, just wanted to put that out there

 

And for DA:I and Cullen in spoiler tags just in case someone didn't see the newest video.

 

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I find the decision to use either group to stop the breach to be improbable at best.  Out of the two options, I'd be more likely to choose the one to suppress the breach, simply because putting more power into the breach seems like a *bad idea*.  Neither seems ideal, mind, but, pumping power into a tear the is already huge, and fueled by the deaths of so many just seems like it is asking for some serious trouble.  It could explode and destroy the entirety of Thedas, which would be my gut reaction.  Either that or it would get bigger.  If it is magically induced, then at least a bunch of Templars could conceivably stop it from spreading, although there is the issue of whether or not it is in fact spreading by magic or some other means. 

 

There are so many things to consider though, for instance, what is the breach?  What is it made out of?  Is it the collective magicks of Thedas?  So many questions that need to be answered to decide which group would actually be the optimal one to "save", and yet none of them will be answered that early in the game.  But I personally would err on the side of caution, and take the templars if only to prevent the thing from destroying the whole world.

 

 

 

 

[Sister Goldring]

I dunno. Sometimes, I think we want to attribute more reasonableness to the populace of Thedas than they actually have.

 

What would they know, really? The mages have been causing trouble and a mage just blew up the Chantry and fried parts of the city. Would they even learn that Anders was an apostate? And if they did, wouldn't that just sort of prove the point that mages belong in the Circle?

 

I mean, Gamlen came from a family with magic in its bloodline and his first reaction to Leandra's death was "lock the mages up and throw away the key."

 

I think that it would be very wise to get the Mages safely locked up in the tower after the destruction and give everyone the opportunity to calm down while Anders is publicly tried and executed for his crimes.  However, the best defense of the Mages in this instance is in fact the Templars, that's what they are there for.  They are supposed to protect the Mages from crazy lynch mobs and if they were prepared to do this part of their job, then there's little anyone could do about it.  The Gallows is about a defensible a location as anyone could ask for.

 

I'm not saying that there wouldn't have been an element calling for their heads and I'm not sure the Chantry wouldn't have simply gone all Exalted March on  Kirkwall anyway but there were mechanisms in place that could have led to a more moderate outcome.  You needed to remove Meredith to stop her whipping up a frenzy of over-reaction, get Cullen to control the Templars, have Aveline try Anders for his crimes so justice was observed by the correct authorities and have Hawke step and use his/her influence as the public face of reason.

 

Really, I should be Viscount.    

[phyreblade74]

Which mages did he save during the Annulment, though? He didn't say a word until Meredith threatened Hawke at the end.

 

There is a group of mages that're saved during the annulment.  If you don't side with the Templars, you won't see that scene.  He is quite adamant, there, that Templars are supposed to protect mages, as much as anyone else.  It's a very interesting incident.
 

[riverbanks]

*raises le eyebrow at last few pages*

 

If we're back to "Templars are evil" and "people who side with Templars are evil" I need to rethink my Inquisitor's outfit. She shall be so evil in her evil support of evil Templars that she will need a new evil cape. Maybe an evil crown of thorns woven from the broken dreams of sad mages to accentuate her evil Templary ways. And an evil laugh! Can't go wrong with the evil laugh.

 

This fandom, I swear...

 

So that Cullen fellow, huh. Pretty fly for an evil guy.

[phyreblade74]

If he wanted to really save anyone and not just save them for later Tranquility, he'd have mutinied.

 

By Nuremberg standards, I would say that he should be hanged. I don't personally like the death penalty myself, but I also want to see him brought to account.

 

 

In that one quest? No. Hawke kills one mage at the Docks, who seems to have killed a bunch of other mages herself and who summons a great deal of demons to attack Hawke on sight, then some other mages who were enthralled by a desire demon.

 

Shrug, because no mage ever, ever does anything that deserves controls put on them.  Yea, right.  We're not talking harmless circumstances, here.  This is a world where magic's just blown up a whole bunch of innocents.  You try navigating that maelstrom, maybe.

[DannyDaManny]

https://www.youtube....h?v=Zgn1CRXLLWg

 

The part with the surrendering mages for whoever wanted to see it 

[Twilight_Princess]

Going back to that recent tweet. I would love it if Jose was an Inquisitor shipper XD. And she sends love poems in his/her name to set them up with an LI.

[TreeHuggerHannah]

Hey, do you guys remember the cat named Cullen I mentioned I had met at the animal shelter? It turns out that he needed more socialization work than I realized and he has some emotional special needs. Sooo... I'm going to be fostering him. I brought him home today (he's currently hiding in my bathroom.)

[riverbanks]

Going back to that recent tweet. I would love it if Jose was an Inquisitor shipper XD. And she sends love poems in his/her name to set them up with an LI.

 

Josie better be an Inquisitor/LI shipper, because a lot of my Quizzies have no idea what they're doing with this courting and dating business and she's here to be their advisor in diplomacy and pretty words. I know at least two of my Quizzies will need her to actually write any embarrassing love letters for them because they can't write to being with.   

[phyreblade74]

I'll be fine with this as well.
Obviously, if there's the option to firm a Truce between mages and templars and recruit them, I'll be beyond happy.

 

Hey, we once got an option to have the Geth and Quarians become buddies and pals and rebuild the planet of Rannoch.  Surely we can get mages and templars to get along, huh?

[Sifr]

Going back to that recent tweet. I would love it if Jose was an Inquisitor shipper XD. And she sends love poems in his/her name to set them up with an LI.

 

I'd love to see one of the characters playing matchmaker. Especially if after a romance scene, we venture outside our LI's chambers and bump into Josie and Leliana, listening at the door and silently squeeing.

 

Hey, do you guys remember the cat named Cullen I mentioned I had met at the animal shelter? It turns out that he needed more socialization work than I realized and he has some emotional special needs. Sooo... I'm going to be fostering him. I brought him home today (he's currently hiding in my bathroom.)

 

Aww, I hope you're able to help him, let us know how you do. My kitten was a little like that when we first got her, it took her a while before she trusted us to stop running and hiding behind the sofa if anyone got too close to her! Good luck with Cullen! 

[SmilesJA]

Hey, do you guys remember the cat named Cullen I mentioned I had met at the animal shelter? It turns out that he needed more socialization work than I realized and he has some emotional special needs. Sooo... I'm going to be fostering him. I brought him home today (he's currently hiding in my bathroom.)

 

Sounds like the real Cullen!

[TreeHuggerHannah]

Aww, I hope you're able to help him, let us know how you do. My kitten was a little like that when we first got her, it took her a while before she trusted us to stop running and hiding behind the sofa if anyone got too close to her! Good luck with Cullen! 

 

Thanks! I've volunteered at the animal shelter for almost two years socializing cats, and I've worked through some pretty major emotional/behavioral needs with one of my own cats, but Cullen is my first foster kitty.

 

I'm anticipating Cullen will be with us long-term, maybe even permanently.

[jtav]

Good luck with Cullen. Poor thing.

[Sister Goldring]

Templars aren't evil.

 

The problem lies in the fact the final conflict offered by DA2 was morally pretty black and white.  You either execute a group of people who haven't blown up the Chantry for blowing up the Chantry on the dubious grounds that it will probably lead to less people being killed overall or maybe the citizens would have killed them anyway later OR you can not murder a group of innocent people.  I think a little bit more murk in the morality of the decision would have been of great benefit to the game.

 

I wanted to support the Templars.  I don't think you can entrust public safety to individual mages, each of whom has the capacity to turn into a hell big problem if they wake up on the wrong side of bed one morning.  However, once it is made clear that I as the player character will have to murder people for a crime they are not complicit in, I simply can't do it.  Half of the bastards could be blood mages or on the brink of abomination territory and I as the PC can't kill them for something they haven't done, so I'm forced to set them loose on Thedas.

 

I'm pleased to have gotten this off my chest, it's annoyed me for a long time.  

[jtav]

I'd feel better about siding with the mages if the endgame was differently designed. I counted the fights between Lowtown and the Gallows. I fought abominations, demons, and blood mages more often than templars. So I threw away wealth and power I used to provide for others for absolitely no reason.

And templar side has more RP opportunities too.

[The Elder King]

Hey, we once got an option to have the Geth and Quarians become buddies and pals and rebuild the planet of Rannoch.  Surely we can get mages and templars to get along, huh?

The way they talked about the war, I don't think we'll have the option.

[riverbanks]

the final conflict offered by DA2 was morally pretty black and white.

 

No, it really wasn't. You can make it black and white if that's as far as your character's morality axis reaches, but it's not a black/white dichotomy in itself.

 

Every choice, in either previous games, was a roleplaying choice. That's what makes an RPG - how your character views the world around them, not how the world presents itself to the player. There is no black/white, right/wrong, good/evil in roleplay, there is only how each of your characters chooses to approach their moral dilemmas.

[phyreblade74]

I watched that scene from Origins earlier and despite Irving's look of despair that it's come to it, it's interesting that he does actually agree that due to the corruption within the Circle and the amount of followers that Uldred had in the ranks, no-one can be sure if some of the survivors are not Maleficarum. While Greagoir implies that there might be some... unpleasant... methods used in the interrogations, it does seem like they're at least willing to be fair and test to see whether they're corrupted or not. The only thing I didn't like is that it falls down to a Cleric to see what should be their fate and depending on who you get, innocent people might have ended up having their lifes depend on someone tolerant like Elthina or a zealot like Petrice?

 

The problem in DA2 when it came down to the wire, is that the Mages were shown often in a more favourable light than the Templars, right up until the end when you learn that some of them actually were Blood Mages after all. It also didn't really help that most of Hawke's family are mages and unlike Carver, we're not given much in the way of justification for why Hawke might hate magic?

 

I dunno.  I recall some interactions Hawke had with Meredith, outlining her suspicions of a conspiracy in the Gallows.  Hawke tracked down several mages who'd escaped the Circle after the phylactery chamber was mysteriously breached.  The implication being that someone with access to that level of Circle business (i.e. a Templar) was involved.  Later on, the sheer reality of a conspiracy comes to light when they all finally lure Hawke into a trap and describe it.

 

And I'm sorry.  But of the three mages Hawke tracks down for Meredith, two of them are outright possessed and threatening their own family members and friends.  That scene where the Elven mage kills his own wife is freaky.  And during the confrontation with the conspiracy -- and why the heck they thought threatening to kill Carver was going to help is beyond me -- but it's the mages who turn on the Templars who've been fighting so hard for them and kill them.

 

On top of the correspondence between some Circle mage called "O" and the brutal Quentin, my Hawke was like, "Well, yea.  There's pretty good evidence of a larger than average number of blood mages in the Circle, here."  It just made it easier to consider the reasoning behind Meredith's appeals, even as she seemed to be deteriorating, shrug.