Uhhhhh, I think that maybe I am the only person who didn't want Hawke or the Warden in my game, other than as references or a 5 minute cameo. A prolonged interaction with Hawke feels blah....she's had her story now leave Quizzy to have hers.
I love my Hawkes but I feel really conflicted as to wether they should have semi-major roles in DAI. I understand from a story perspective he/she has a purpose but I don't think I want anything beyond that.
On the one hand, I want to hear all about them, what they've been upto, where they have been and literally what other trouble they have managed to get into lol. But its not Kirkwall and it's no longer Hawkes game. I think it would be kind of unfair if Hawke for e.g was made instrumental in taking down a boss or saving another major plot character, these are roles that quizzy should have by default imo.
My fear is that Hawke may over-shadow Quizzy for many players if she/he has too large or lengthy a role to play beyond an NPC or brief, single quest party member. You just know that there will be people who hate their quizzys and wish that they could keep Hawke in DAI instead...I can see it now
Methinks that why Europe and Britain have never traditionally gotten along. It's the small things about Europe, like getting movies or video games earlier, the lack of compatible sockets for shavers, their tendency to get up early to hog all the sunbeds with towels... that provide the grumpy old man living in the heart of every Brit, a feast of things to complain about!
I kid, of course.
(Except about the grumpy old man, that's parts true!)
Methinks that why Europe and Britain have never traditionally gotten along. It's the small things about Europe, like getting movies or video games earlier, the lack of compatible sockets for shavers, their tendency to get up early to hog all the sunbeds with towels... that provide the grumpy old man living in the heart of every Brit, a feast of things to complain about!
I kid, of course.
(Except about the grumpy old man, that's true)
In Greece, we're getting it the same day as the UK.
So I've been thinking about this for a long time and I'm sure this has been considered a lot, but I have been wondering how the new 'approval' is going to work. Specifically for the advisors. Since we don't interact with them as often as companions I'm hoping there are chances for us to unwittingly gain or lose approval their approval through our choices. I hope it's not just through dialogue because it'd seem too straightforward like that.
I really hope they'll react to major missions, give input on our actions if we ask and hopefully it even affects their approval like it would any other companion. And there are still those big decision things we make as Inquisitor, forgot what that's called. Maybe it'll be something similar with that. Idk, just a thought.
I'm with those who aren't keen on having Hawke dominate gameplay in DA:I. I'm ok with a cameo that lasts one questline and I can deal with Hawke being playable for one encounter but any more than that will leave me dubious. Whereas I was sad to let my Wardens go I am more than ready to move on from Hawke. So I hope that if Ashe's theory is right it's only very temporary. Very. Temporary.
We'll see!
Re: Cullen/Mage!Inqusitor romance-- I don't think this romance will inherently be a rivalmance type. Hell, if you can Friendmance FENRIS as a Mage Hawke then I think it's possible with Cullen, too. Especially since the whole Friendship/Rivalry paths of approval seem to be out anyway.
I'm playing a Human Mage first because it's the race/class I feel most comfortable with jumping in and Role Playing blindly on a first run. I don't anticipate any major issues romancing Cullen with her
I'm sure Hawke won't be stealing the limelight. If they were, they would probably be talking much more about them. I think it'll only be for a Fort Drakon style quest/questline where the Inquisitor is for whatever reason incapacitated.
I love my Hawkes but I feel really conflicted as to wether they should have semi-major roles in DAI. I understand from a story perspective he/she has a purpose but I don't think I want anything beyond that.
On the one hand, I want to hear all about them, what they've been upto, where they have been and literally what other trouble they have managed to get into lol. But its not Kirkwall and it's no longer Hawkes game. I think it would be kind of unfair if Hawke for e.g was made instrumental in taking down a boss or saving another major plot character, these are roles that quizzy should have by default imo.
My fear is that Hawke may over-shadow Quizzy for many players if she/he has too large or lengthy a role to play beyond an NPC or brief, single quest party member. You just know that there will be people who hate their quizzys and wish that they could keep Hawke in DAI instead...I can see it now
I don't mind a minor role for Hawke (maybe as an agent of the Inquisition?), but I didn't even play DA2, partly because Hawke's pretty much the same person over and over and with only details of class and sex differentiating her or him, unlike the Wardens with vastly different backgrounds and experiences. I would much rather have my Wardens popping up and taking a role so it was genuinely someone different for each world state (but that complexity is probably part of the reason).
I'm closing ending with my flirt!Warden playthrough. My character has slept with Morrigan, Leliana and Zevran, flirted with couple others and now engaged with Anora. I broke my relationships with Leliana and Zevran in the end (or Leliana left me, I guess hardening her failed once again D: ) since Anora had one cheating husband already, she doesn't need another one ^^ I guess his time as flirter are over now then.
I also recruited Loghain what I haven't done before. Poor Alistair was so hurt! It's quite sad that he becomes drunk if you recruit Loghain (and don't allow him to be executed but that's even sadder). I can't say I like Loghain very much nor understand his reasoning to do what he did but at least it's intresting to hear about Maric and Anora from him.
I thought it was supposed to be the same for the UK and Europe, unless they've changed the dates again?
20th in France if you live in Paris, 27th if sent through the mail by Amazon....(they used to send things out so you actually got them on release day..... )
I'm sure Hawke won't be stealing the limelight. If they were, they would probably be talking much more about them. I think it'll only be for a Fort Drakon style quest/questline where the Inquisitor is for whatever reason incapacitated.
Yeah, I figure something similar, that it might just be only a brief section similar to in ME2 when we briefly were Joker running from Collectors, or in Origins during both the Fort Drakon quest or during the final battle, when we cut away from the Warden's party to see what the party left behind to defend the Denerim gates were doing?
I think if we do have Hawke as a playable character for a brief section, they'll be very careful in how they handle it. There's already a part of fandom who irrationately hate on the character anyway, so the devs probably want to avoid giving Hawke too much focus to not further feed the trolls?
I will bring myself sexual pleasure later, while thinking of this with great respect!
The war table is so perfect for sexytimes I am going to be disappointed when it inevitably isn't involved in any romance cutscene.
Uhhhhh, I think that maybe I am the only person who didn't want Hawke or the Warden in my game, other than as references or a 5 minute cameo. A prolonged interaction with Hawke feels blah....she's had her story now leave Quizzy to have hers.
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I disagree, but I liked Hawke more than the Warden and thought that the Warden had more closure to his/her story than Hawke.
That doesn't mean I want Hawke to overshadow the Inquisitor, but I think Hawke deserves a role in Inquisition more than the Warden.
20th in France if you live in Paris, 27th if sent through the mail by Amazon....(they used to send things out so you actually got them on release day..... )
20th here to in the Netherlands. I pre-ordered at one of the greater online stores (much like amazon). It even counts down for me! About 25 days, 7h and even the minutes and seconds.
I disagree, but I liked Hawke more than the Warden and thought that the Warden had more closure to his/her story than Hawke.
That doesn't mean I want Hawke to overshadow the Inquisitor, but I think Hawke deserves a role in Inquisition more than the Warden.
Likewise spoiled in the same manner:
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You're absolutely right on the money. Hawke had far more character to them than the Warden and they got to have closure through Awakening and Witch Hunt, unlike Hawke who had their own expansion DLC nixed and so we were left with very little wrap up to their story.
While it should remain the Inquisitor's game, Hawke has far more plot-related reasons to appear in Inqusition than the Warden.
And now for a really unpopular opinion:
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We're now three games into the series and two protagonists removed from the the Warden, it's really time some people let go of the character. Yes, they were awesome, but complaining about them not coming back in every game and comparing them to Hawke/Inquisitor, has really started to make me hate the character slightly.
It kind of reminds me of the Doctor Who fandom and those who piled hate on Matt Smith for replacing David Tennant, as well as those who now refuse to watch Peter Capaldi for the crime of not being Matt Smith.
Personally, I just prefer to let the new guy settle into the chair and let them wow me, rather than dislike them for not being someone else?
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You're absolutely right on the money. Hawke had far more character to them than the Warden and they got to have closure through Awakening and Witch Hunt, unlike Hawke who had their own expansion DLC nixed and so we were left with very little wrap up to their story.
While it should remain the Inquisitor's game, Hawke has far more plot-realated reasons to appear in Inqusition than the Warden.
And now for a really unpopular opinion:
Spoiler
We're now three games into the series and two protagonists removed from the the Warden, it's really time some people let go of the character. Yes, they were awesome, but complaining about them not coming back in every game and comparing them to Hawke/Inquisitor, has really started to make me hate the character slightly.
It kind of reminds me of the Doctor Who fandom and those who piled hate on Matt Smith for replacing David Tennant, as well as those who now refuse to watch Peter Capaldi for the crime of not being Matt Smith.
Personally, I just prefer to let the new guy settle into the chair and let them wow me, rather than dislike them for not being someone else?
...why are we putting "unpopular" opinions on spoiler tags? Is it really so offensive to people to read an opinion they don't agree with? I can understand if the subject possibly discussed abuse/anxiety/phobia triggers or something but just... A potentially unpopular opinion? I may not agree with you but I certainly respect your right to a completely different perspective than mine!
And I agree in that we shouldn't cling to old protagonists obsessively. Or make constant comparisons. But some simply preferred aspects of one hero over the other and there's nothing wrong with that either.
You're absolutely right on the money. Hawke had far more character to them than the Warden and they got to have closure through Awakening and Witch Hunt, unlike Hawke who had their own expansion DLC nixed and so we were left with very little wrap up to their story.
While it should remain the Inquisitor's game, Hawke has far more plot-realated reasons to appear in Inqusition than the Warden.
And now for a really unpopular opinion:
Spoiler
We're now three games into the series and two protagonists removed from the the Warden, it's really time some people let go of the character. Yes, they were awesome, but complaining about them not coming back in every game and comparing them to Hawke/Inquisitor, has really started to make me hate the character slightly.
It kind of reminds me of the Doctor Who fandom and those who piled hate on Matt Smith for replacing David Tennant, as well as those who now refuse to watch Peter Capaldi for the crime of not being Matt Smith.
Personally, I just prefer to let the new guy settle into the chair and let them wow me, rather than dislike them for not being someone else?
Just my opinion
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Since Hawke has some responsibility for several things going on in DAI, yes, he or she does have some reason to appear at least briefly. I wouldn't even mind Hawke as a sort of agent, but not as a major character. I'm not a Hawke hater, I just personally am not interested in the character enough to want to have much to do with him or her. Yes, a Fort Drakon kind of rescue might be cute but why would that specifically require a Hawke rather than our spectacularly competent companions in DAI...?
I really liked my Wardens; the Wardens are a very different kind of organization than you normally see in fantasy games, so I see huge potential for development there. But while I wouldn't have minded another game using those characters, I agree that now with two other games between, it would make little sense to revive them specifically. That doesn't mean I wouldn't appreciate a cameo by my Wardens to give some idea what happened to them (lots of things were left hanging, honestly, especially since they apparently retconned most of the DAO ending court and rumor slides). Even a bittersweet appearance to say goodbye to Leliana on the way to his or her Calling would be great or good rumors of what they're doing (does a DN paragon take the throne when Harrowmount dies?) And I like continuity; I appreciate that they've tried to include some (Cullen slowly developing over three games, for instance). Frankly, if DA4 turns out to be so far in the future (or past) than no one from the earlier games can appear, it'll be a much harder sell to me-I'll look at it as a completely unrelated game using the DA name. But that's just my reaction, take with a large grain of salt
Sneaking in to remind/pester everyone to please be corteous and keep spoilers under a spoiler tag. Let's not have a repeat of the last stream where everyone got spoiled whether they wanted to or not, if we can. Even if you're really really excited about some new info and want to shout about it in big capital letters, please do it under the spoiler tag.
...why are we putting "unpopular" opinions on spoiler tags? Is it really so offensive to people to read an opinion they don't agree with?
For some of the more vocal detractors on other threads, sadly this does seem to be the case.
Of course, the Cullen thread is friendly enough to discuss things without erupting into a flame war at the drop of a hat, so you make a good point!
Just my opinion
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Since Hawke has some responsibility for several things going on in DAI, yes, he or she does have some reason to appear at least briefly. I wouldn't even mind Hawke as a sort of agent, but not as a major character. I'm not a Hawke hater, I just personally am not interested in the character enough to want to have much to do with him or her. Yes, a Fort Drakon kind of rescue might be cute but why would that specifically require a Hawke rather than our spectacularly competent companions in DAI...?
I really liked my Wardens; the Wardens are a very different kind of organization than you normally see in fantasy games, so I see huge potential for development there. But while I wouldn't have minded another game using those characters, I agree that now with two other games between, it would make little sense to revive them specifically. That doesn't mean I wouldn't appreciate a cameo by my Wardens to give some idea what happened to them (lots of things were left hanging, honestly, especially since they apparently retconned most of the DAO ending court and rumor slides). Even a bittersweet appearance to say goodbye to Leliana on the way to his or her Calling would be great or good rumors of what they're doing (does a DN paragon take the throne when Harrowmount dies?) And I like continuity; I appreciate that they've tried to include some (Cullen slowly developing over three games, for instance). Frankly, if DA4 turns out to be so far in the future (or past) than no one from the earlier games can appear, it'll be a much harder sell to me-I'll look at it as a completely unrelated game using the DA name. But that's just my reaction, take with a large grain of salt
To be honest, I wish that Hawke's story had remained a sidequel as it was originally meant to be, that would have come between Origins and Inquisition, which would have been the true "second" game in the series, similar to how Assassin's Creed had numerous games comprising the AC2 arc, before starting with AC3.
Part of the reason Hawke's story is less grand than the Warden and the Inquisitor's is because it's meant to be the interbellum period between two major conflicts, setting up the stage for what is to follow. It's a story that needed to be told, because it has to set up everything that follows.
DA2 is like Back to the Future 2. It's not the best in the series, with it's highly complicated plot involving the future, an alternate history and retreading some of the first movie, but it needed to happen so we could end with Doc in 1885, setting the stage for the sci-fi western awesomeness that is Back to the Future 3.
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