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Wow. Interesting. am I understanding this correctly... the two female Inquisitor voices they get to choose are young and old, instead of american and british? Huh! 

 

Yes, you understood that correctly.  A few days ago they announced on the offical german DA:I facebooksite (in reply to someone asking) that they decided early on not to do any accents in the game. So, yeah.

 

Anke Reitzenstein, the older VA, said that she finds it awesome that there is the option to choose if you want to play with an younger or older woman as your heroine. And I have to agree it is pretty exceptional.

 

And about Starkhaven

 

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He doesn't always wear that little sash with the Sword of Mercy either, we've only seen him wearing it in one screenshot so far. So it's possible that his outfit changes depending on who you side with at the start of the game? The Inquisitor in the chess video was a mage, let's assume she sided with the mages - maybe in this scenario Cullen doesn't get the Sword of Mercy on his gauntlets, or the little sash at his waist, and those are reserved for Inquisitors who side with the Templars (since Cullen would then also be in charge of a host of Templars, in addition to the Inquisition's own army, and their commander wearing the traditional symbols would be great for morale).


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I thought that you would all enjoy this...

From the 'biased towards Advisors' thread which has turned into a Cullen hate thread...

Again Cullen was accused of only being 'fanservice' and Palidane stepped up to bat on Cullens behalf...and doesn't even like Noodles.

 

 

Alright, I'm getting sick of reading this. I'm not even a fan of the guy, but the sheer amount of people repeating this demands a counter. I'm going to explain why Cullen was the only logical person to take command of the Inquisitions military forces, point by point.

 

So from the very beginning, the General of the Inquisition basically has to be either from the Grey Wardens or the Chantry. Why you ask? Because the Inquisition is trying to operate in both Ferelden/The Marches and Orlais, countries which have a long and incredibly strong mutual hatred for each other. Sure, Loghain or Gaspard have more than enough experience under their belt, but there's no way in hell they would be able to get near the other country's border with an army. To a lesser extent, the same would be true of a Nevarran general. He has to be from an international organization that is accepted in all of Southern Thedas, and that's a pretty short list: The Grey Wardens, and the Chantry.

 

So of those two, who are some likely candidates? Of the Wardens Loghain is dead in most playthroughs, and even so, Orlais would not accept him. Alistair and all the Awakenings companions are possibly dead, and I think only Nathaniel would really cut it as commander. Who does that leave us with? Stroud? That's not even getting into whether the Grey Wardens are compromised, though signs definitely point to "yes" on that count.

 

What about from the Chantry? Right off the bat, you'll notice the distinct lack of established Templar characters. We've got Greagoir, who is probably fairly experienced, but is getting on in years by now, and has other duties. And then there's...Cullen. A known moderate, with a likable personality, friendly disposition, and extensive combat experience. And when I say extensive, I mean it. Here, let's count:

  • Survived Uldred's torture when no one else did, showing extraordinary mental strength and perseverance, even if it took it's toll on him.
  • Participated in the Battle of Denerim, fighting with the Templars and/or Mages to fight back the Darkspawn. He survived, and his coalition won the battle.
  • Helped command the Kirkwall Templars, a fairly large military order, for 10 years. Especially notable because of the sheer amount of crap happening in and around Kirkwall.
  • Helped Command the Templars during the Qunari Invasion of Kirkwall. With Meredith personally busy trying to rescue the Viscount, it's likely Cullen had to lead the rest of the Templar forces in defending the city. He survived this battle, and his side stood victorious at the end.
  • In the Kirkwall Rebellion, Cullen and his Templars stood against apostates, maleficars, and demons in claustrophobic urban combat. Even with...whatever the hell happened with Meredith, the Templars were in possession of the field at the end. They indisputably won that battle, even if their casualties were high.

You'll notice that Cullen's record includes basically every major battle that has happened so far in the Dragon Age, and his victory rate is 100%. Coincidentally the same as his survival rate in people's playthroughs. Coupled with his inexplicable but extremely passionate fan base, it would seem Cullen would be the ideal candidate for General of the Inquisition.

 

"Now hold up," you may say "why don't they just create a brand new character to be General, like they did with Josephine?" Well, that idea has a whole host of problems with it. They would still have to be either a Warden or a Templar, due to the above mentioned problems. Most Wardens and Templars don't really have a lot of military experience. That doesn't mean they aren't skilled or dangerous, because they are, but most Wardens and Templars fight in small groups, probably less than a dozen. The only exceptions are the aforementioned battles, at least that I know of. In addition, their motives are likely to be suspect. Why would a Warden, whose supposed to be down below fighting Darkspawn, suddenly volunteer to command the Inquisition's army? And keeping in mind all the weird crap going down with the Wardens, why would anyone give him that army? As for the Templars, enough people on the board's are griping about "being surrounded by the Chantry", even though neither Leliana or Cullen really have a hardline stance. Why would any elf or mage Inquisitor trust a brand new Templar character? 

 

A new character would basically have to be Cullen: a Templar who survived the two battles in Kirkwall with moderate views and a friendly demeanor. And at that point, why wouldn't you just go with Cullen in the first place? What possible reason would you have to use a suspiciously similar substitute over the genuine article? I suspect it mostly boils down too "Because I don't like Cullen!"

 

To which I would ask, do you think you would like the new guy any better?

 

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I thought that you would all enjoy this...

From the 'biased towards Advisors' thread which has turned into a Cullen hate thread...

Again Cullen was accused of only being 'fanservice' and Palidane stepped up to bat on Cullens behalf...and doesn't even like Noodles.

 

Wow, that's incredibly well written, and pretty much exactly how I've seen it all along (just much more reasoned out).


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#84555
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Completely agree with Palidane. Despite being a templar, on numerous account he had shown moderations for mages and doubt for the templars order.


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I thought that you would all enjoy this...

From the 'biased towards Advisors' thread which has turned into a Cullen hate thread...

Again Cullen was accused of only being 'fanservice' and Palidane stepped up to bat on Cullens behalf...and doesn't even like Noodles.

 

 

Mind = Blown



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I thought that you would all enjoy this...

From the 'biased towards Advisors' thread which has turned into a Cullen hate thread...

Again Cullen was accused of only being 'fanservice' and Palidane stepped up to bat on Cullens behalf...and doesn't even like Noodles.

 

 

That was pretty solid :)

 

I remember pointing out in similar thread that Cullen is already existing character whose story is pretty easy to continue to be commander of Inquisitor's armies. Now even more so when Cass, Seeker and Chantry personel, chose the leader in time of chaos and rebeling templars ^^


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I thought that you would all enjoy this...

From the 'biased towards Advisors' thread which has turned into a Cullen hate thread...

Again Cullen was accused of only being 'fanservice' and Palidane stepped up to bat on Cullens behalf...and doesn't even like Noodles.

 

 

Can you send a link to this thread?



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I think one thing I don't like about it is that it just seems very... human. Like human pajamas :lol: It doesn't seem like something my Dalish would wear, unless someone gave it to him and said, "You must wear this." It just does not look like the sort of thing you would normally wear if you lived in the forest with your clan... it's too silky and pretty and soft and, well, full-coverage :lol:

 

Everytime I see the Skyhold pyjamas, my mind immediately wonders if the male version is like this?

 

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Can you send a link to this thread?

 

http://forum.bioware...-your-advisers/

 

I've been following that thread and as expected it descended into Cullen hate but it seems atm that lelliana is getting it in the neck too lol. Palidane wrote that response really well, especially from a neutral/dislike side of the coin.



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Yeah the color is probably the thing that most people have a problem with, I wish they would have gone with blue or something,like this :) tumblr_ncvs94BaVK1tb1vsbo1_500.jpg

It's great outfit. Actually a few changes and it would work for this ball. :P

 

Yeah, I am very disappointed as well.  I think I will run a male playthrough and then put the game away and wait for mods.   :(

 

I would do that but on the other hand I want to my first playtrough to be with Cullen romance... ^_^



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What's this german starkhaven video people are talking about? 



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It's great outfit. Actually a few changes and it would work for this ball. :P

 

 

I would do that but on the other hand I want to my first playtrough to be with Cullen romance... ^_^

:P Same here. I've got a major goal for my first play-through and oddly enough it doesn't involve wearing much of anything really... ;)


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http://forum.bioware...-your-advisers/

 

I've been following that thread and as expected it descended into Cullen hate but it seems atm that lelliana is getting it in the neck too lol. Palidane wrote that response really well, especially from a neutral/dislike side of the coin.

Ugh... that thread is the reason why I hate people... :angry:


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I thought that you would all enjoy this...

From the 'biased towards Advisors' thread which has turned into a Cullen hate thread...

Again Cullen was accused of only being 'fanservice' and Palidane stepped up to bat on Cullens behalf...and doesn't even like Noodles.

 

 

Damn, that was a ridiculously well written rebuttal, if I wore a hat, I would have to take it off to Palidane's post! Especially how it called out the haters for their argument basically amounting to "I don't like him" as their sole reason for why Cullen shouldn't appear.


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#84566
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Ugh... that thread is the reason why I hate people... :angry:

 

Indeed, I start reading them then wonder why I bother. That's why I prefer to hang out here and a few other relatively safe zones, it's easier on the blood pressure :D.


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Indeed, I start reading them then wonder why I bother. That's why I prefer to hang out here and a few other relatively safe zones, it's easier on the blood pressure :D.

 

Yea it's nice to be apart of a thread where people are

A. Genuinely friendly to one another

B. Respect each other's opinions

C. (and most importantly) Remain respectful to the devs about aspects of the game even if they themselves disagree with them. 


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It's generally not safe to navigate through threads involving Cullen, Anders or Leliana as people become too self-opinionated to the point where people get too serious and aggresive. Honestly, these threads are for discussing Dragon Age in general, but it often gets used to spout hatred and bigotry, and to try and score points over another just to stroke their own ego. People need to learn to chill out and leave it to the mods to stomp out the unrestless.



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Can you send a link to this thread?

 

No problem thread here.

 

It starts normally then enters toxic land....



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Actually why can't we just... not interact with any NPC we don't like, and then not bringing companions we don't like and stay at that? I mean I don't like several companions at DA2 and the results is that they stay at home the whole game and basta. No need to spend time hating them actively right? Or if possible, just let the Murder Knife do its job and basta.



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Damn, that was a ridiculously well written rebuttal, if I wore a hat, I would have to take it off to Palidane's post! Especially how it called out the haters for their argument basically amounting to "I don't like him" as their sole reason for why Cullen shouldn't appear.

 

Anyways, Cullen is just a small part of the game, so I don't see why they all should complain. You aren't even in Skyhold for most of the time. To busy outside doing missions, or enjoying the company or your other teammates. If you need to vent all that frustration, scream in a pillow or something (there are plenty of other ways) xD


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Actually why can't we just... not interact with any NPC we don't like, and then not bringing companions we don't like and stay at that? I mean I don't like several companions at DA2 and the results is that they stay at home the whole game and basta. No need to spend time hating them actively right? Or if possible, just let the Murder Knife do its job and basta.

 

I think their issue is that they don't like Cullen and don't want to interact with him at the war table...which is even more naff, because 'New Templar Insert' would be exactly the same in recommendations. I expect Cullen to mainly come into his own during personal interaction, which they can avoid.

 

If he can be professional about the working relationship and it is obvious from the chess game that he can, most Cullen haters are just being 'haters'.


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http://forum.bioware...-your-advisers/

 

I've been following that thread and as expected it descended into Cullen hate but it seems atm that lelliana is getting it in the neck too lol. Palidane wrote that response really well, especially from a neutral/dislike side of the coin.

 

Amazing really when taking into account her stance in Asunder and at the war table....haters got to hate.

 

edited for top. Cullen screenie bodyswop...by R2sMuse

 

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I don't like the ball outfit for the female inquisitor either. It looks like it was designed for male inquisitor first and then put the female model. I really don't think they would've chosen that if they'd started with the her instead. I want to be okay with it because I really want to enjoy that part of the game... but I'm just not.

 

...snip

Ball outfit? Where can I see it? 



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I think their issue is that they don't like Cullen and don't want to interact with him at the war table...

 

At some point, though, some emotional maturity is to be expected from the player, isn't it? I would prefer Leliana and Varric weren't in the game at all, but they are and at the end of the day you just gotta deal with that. All it takes is ignoring that one character you don't wanna hear from, it's really not that hard to make a compromise.

 

But then, expecting emotional maturity from people who claim Cullen is "undisputably a serial killer" is... :rolleyes:

 

We ought to make our version of a Actual Cannibal Cullen The Serial Killer song one of these days. Maybe Greg will even rap it for us!


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