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[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

Hi all!!!

 

Love this thread!  This is my first post, and it is a question to you Cullen folks.  In order to romance or befriend Cullen, do you think we will have to be "pro-templar" and/or "pro-chantry"?  Ie, if I make a bunch of pro-mage desision, or decisions that use mages rather than templars as agents, will Cullen get upset? 

 

The reason I ask is that I have been a huge Cullen fan since I strarted playing DA, and I love his story and am so excited to learn more about him (and listen to that velevety voice of his).  I pre-ordered the day it was confirmed Cullen would be a part of our group. But, I was hoping to play a very anti-chantry mage in my first playthrough, and wondered if that would block me from getting to know him better or romancing him.  Have you guys heard anything about that?

 

I am fine to play a different charcater my first time, since I am sure I will play it over and over, but I really want to plot out the best charcter for my first playthrough with the main goal of getting to get to know certain folks that I am excited about...Solas, Dorian, and Cullen.  Any thoughts?

 

Welcome! Stick around and have a Cullen. 

 

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I'd say that as long as you are not helping out the bad mages then he shouldn't have too much of a problem with it. I wouldn't expect him to make no comments at all but I think it would be coming from a place of him having confidence in the templars being able to do the same job and not from an anti-mage point of view. In the beginning I think he may be a little hesitant when it comes to siding with the mages but I think that will change throughout the game as he continues to grow as a person and his ideals/views on things change. Cullen has never really hated mages, been distrustful of them yes but never outright hate and I never count his comments during broken circle because the guy has just been tortured so I think we can cut him some slack there.

 

Edit: This is all my thoughts and has nothing to do with anything the devs may have said (not that they have said much on the matter).

[Tishina]

Hi all!!!

 

Love this thread!  This is my first post, and it is a question to you Cullen folks.  In order to romance or befriend Cullen, do you think we will have to be "pro-templar" and/or "pro-chantry"?  Ie, if I make a bunch of pro-mage desision, or decisions that use mages rather than templars as agents, will Cullen get upset? 

 

The reason I ask is that I have been a huge Cullen fan since I strarted playing DA, and I love his story and am so excited to learn more about him (and listen to that velevety voice of his).  I pre-ordered the day it was confirmed Cullen would be a part of our group. But, I was hoping to play a very anti-chantry mage in my first playthrough, and wondered if that would block me from getting to know him better or romancing him.  Have you guys heard anything about that?

 

I am fine to play a different charcater my first time, since I am sure I will play it over and over, but I really want to plot out the best charcter for my first playthrough with the main goal of getting to get to know certain folks that I am excited about...Solas, Dorian, and Cullen.  Any thoughts?

Welcome! I'm not sure being somewhat anti-chantry is going to be a problem, considering his sarcasm about them in the twitch broadcast where he was introduced. Now, anti-Andraste/Maker may be more of a problem, but we won't know until we get the game, I think. (plus what Boom and the others said )

[Mrs_Stick]

By all means lets cut him so "sack" lol

Sorry that made me giggle

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

By all means lets cut him so "sack" lol

Sorry that made me giggle

 

What? Everyone needs a nice square of cut sack. 

[sunbean]

Welcome, timebean! We have very similar names.

 

I think Cullen's gonna be a lot more chill this time around, although I do have the unsettling feeling I'm going to screw up while befriending him... I just hope I won't have to be a suck-up in order to get anywhere. 

[Sifr]

Hi all!!!

 

Love this thread!  This is my first post, and it is a question to you Cullen folks.  In order to romance or befriend Cullen, do you think we will have to be "pro-templar" and/or "pro-chantry"?  Ie, if I make a bunch of pro-mage desision, or decisions that use mages rather than templars as agents, will Cullen get upset? 

 

The reason I ask is that I have been a huge Cullen fan since I strarted playing DA, and I love his story and am so excited to learn more about him (and listen to that velevety voice of his).  I pre-ordered the day it was confirmed Cullen would be a part of our group. But, I was hoping to play a very anti-chantry mage in my first playthrough, and wondered if that would block me from getting to know him better or romancing him.  Have you guys heard anything about that?

 

I am fine to play a different charcater my first time, since I am sure I will play it over and over, but I really want to plot out the best charcter for my first playthrough with the main goal of getting to get to know certain folks that I am excited about...Solas, Dorian, and Cullen.  Any thoughts?

 

Since he had a huge crush on a female Amell/Surana, I doubt that he'd not want to knock boots with the right mage if they came along?

 

While Cullen has spent a lot of his life as a Templar and his experiences during Uldred's coup and at Kirkwall gave him a lot of good reasons to distrust mages, I think it's telling that after spending all those years in Kirkwall, his reaction was to become more tolerant like Thrask than fantatical like Meredith.

 

At the end of DA2, his comment that the order was meant to protect mages from other people, as much as it was to protect people from them, with Meredith's immediate dismissal of that sentiment, I think was the final straw (fitting, given the quest name) that proved to him that the Templars had fallen far from what they once were and was a key factor in his decision to leave the Order.

 

Cullen seems to have grown disillusioned with the Templars and the Chantry, but I don't think he's lost faith in the Maker or Andraste, since like Cassandra, he seems to be rather supportive of the idea that the Inquisitor may be the Herald of Andraste. I don't think he'd necessarily have a problem with a Mage being potentially chosen as an agent of the Maker's will, since he similarly spoke with nothing but respect for the Mage Warden in DA2 (if you imported that save).

 

We've also seen that twitch stream that showed him playing a friendly game of chess with Dorian, a former Tevinter Magister, with seemingly no problems whatsoever?

 

I'd say that Cullen's more likely to react badly to an Inquisitor doing dishonourable or callous things that get innocent people killed, rather than the fact that they may or may not be a Mage?

[Queen Rowan]

Leli was my first game romance so I understand! Or was it Morrigan...eh...I had so many PTs going on at the same time. 

Also I am feeling a bit nostalgic since I am listening to some Evanescence and just reminded they are on "an extended break". I wish they would come back because I find that there songs make the best tributes to characters and romances!

 

Oh my gosh I always have that connection between the DA games and music!!! For example, the song "I'm Not Calling You a Liar" that played during the credits of DA2 was my first introduction to Florence + the Machine and to this day I can't help but think about DA when I listen to her songs. 

[pinkjellybeans]

I'm quite curious about romancing Cullen as a mage. I don't think there will be a problem at all. If anything the romance story will probably be more interesting if your Inquisitor is a mage. I expect that to be brought up in conversations with him at the very least.

[SmilesJA]

So anything I missed?

[Mrs_Stick]

I'm also quite curious about romancing Cullen as a mage. I don't think there will be a problem at all. If anything the romance story will probably be more interesting if your Inquisitor is a mage. I expect that to be brought up in conversations with him at the very least.

I would hope so it was so strange to cast a fire ball in front of him in DA2. It was like nope nope no mage here at all. 

 

Cullen honey your a Templar you should know what that looks like  I do believe they said that what class you are will have different reactions from people so that is good. 

[Cerulione]

I'm also going to try to romance our dear Commander as a mage on first playthrough in three weeks time. Maybe without reading any guides/walkthrough, just to make it more natural and see whether my amazing mage can woo him

 

At least, if it's not working then it'll be a really great sad star-crossed-lovers story. And I'll come back here crying a lot, writing tons of tear-jerkers fanfic and telling all of you why I should've read that damned walkthroughs.

[Queen Rowan]

I'm quite curious about romancing Cullen as a mage. I don't think there will be a problem at all. If anything the romance story will probably be more interesting if your Inquisitor is a mage. I expect that to be brought up in conversations with him at the very least.

 

He'll probably be more likely to speak about his crush on the Amell in DA:O if you are a mage

[Zarro-Morningstar]

Oh my gosh I always have that connection between the DA games and music!!! For example, the song "I'm Not Calling You a Liar" that played during the credits of DA2 was my first introduction to Florence + the Machine and to this day I can't help but think about DA when I listen to her songs. 

When a game makes you fall in love with another band or if you start find things from the game to go along with song you love, then you know that is an amazing game. For example Breaking Benjamin goes perfectly with DA:O, just listen to their "Dear Agony" album and you will see what I mean. Music can make a game as well as break so in my book music is also just as important as gameplay or graphics.

[Queen Rowan]

I'm also going to try to romance our dear Commander as a mage on first playthrough in three weeks time. Maybe without reading any guides/walkthrough, just to make it more natural and see whether my amazing mage can woo him

 

OMG IT REALLY IS THAT CLOSE!!!!!!!! IVE WAITED SO LONG FOR THIS GAME, AND THERE'S FINALLY ONLY 3 WEEKS LEFT TO GO.     

[Mrs_Stick]

I'm also going to try to romance our dear Commander as a mage on first playthrough in three weeks time. Maybe without reading any guides/walkthrough, just to make it more natural and see whether my amazing mage can woo him
 
At least, if it's not working then it'll be a really great sad star-crossed-lovers story. And I'll come back here crying a lot, writing tons of tear-jerkers fanfic and telling all of you why I should've read that damned walkthroughs.

If Cullen dumps my Mage Quizzy like Alistair did my Cousland I will be here with you crying. I'll bring the chocolate.

[pinkjellybeans]

I would hope so it was so strange to cast a fire ball in front of him in DA2. It was like nope nope no mage here at all. 

 

Cullen honey your a Templar you should know what that looks like  I do believe they said that what class you are will have different reactions from people so that is good. 

 

That was actually a mistake from the devs apparently. It's on the first post. 

 

 

 

*I’m a mage/had mage characters in my party casting spells when I first met him. Why didn't he notice?
Cullen is just… really, really oblivious. He is a very rubbish Templar.
 
In truth, he was initially supposed to react to a mage Hawke and party members. When content was cut, devs forgot to add in responsive dialogue, and thus Cullen comes off as being incredibly oblivious. Also to keep in mind is that the game only had 18 months of development time.
 
“DG: When we cut that plot I was like "Oh. All right, so...I guess nobody notices..." So I put a couple comments into Meredith's dialogue, she sort of comments "We knew who you were," and in a few other places. I think we should've put something into Cullen's dialogue.
 
TUK: Poor Cullen. So oblivious.
 
DG: Jennifer wrote that plot, and afterwards, I forget what it was, someone said "You know, wouldn't Cullen happen to burst onto the scene and you're casting spells, wouldn't he say 'So you're a mage...'" It was too late for us to do anything about it and we decided that Cullen is just very oblivious.” - Thedas UK Interview with David Gaider

 

Even though they decided to rectify their mistake by saying that Cullen is just very oblivious, I don't buy it. Come on, no one is THAT oblivious. xD

[Queen Rowan]

When a game makes you fall in love with another band or if you start find things from the game to go along with song you love, then you know that is an amazing game. For example Breaking Benjamin goes perfectly with DA:O, just listen to their "Dear Agony" album and you will see what I mean. Music can make a game as well as break so in my book music is also just as important as gameplay or graphics.

 

Completely agree!! and I will definitely check out that album now; getting my Dragon Age feelsuh on   

[Mrs_Stick]

That was actually a mistake from the devs apparently. It's on the first post. 
 

 
Even though they decided to rectify their mistake by saying that Cullen is just very oblivious, I don't buy it. Come on, no one is THAT oblivious. xD

I know =) I just figure with the fighting demons he might not have been sure where the magic was coming from. It fits nicly in my head.

[Sifr]

I would hope so it was so strange to cast a fire ball in front of him in DA2. It was like nope nope no mage here at all. 

 

Cullen honey your a Templar you should know what that looks like  I do believe they said that what class you are will have different reactions from people so that is good. 

 

I wonder if that'll be addressed in Inquisition?

 

I've been toying with a theory for a while (and probably have mentioned it before) that Meredith's comment about Hawke's name repeatedly popping up in her reports, may have meant that both she and Cullen were either aware, or at least suspected, that Hawke was an apostate long before they were outed at the end of Act 2?

 

If so, perhaps part of the reason they didn't do anything was due to Hawke status as the unofficial pointman during the Qunari Crisis, which meant that taking them in for questioning or locking them up in the Gallows, would have left Kirkwall without any kind of diplomatic channel to the Arishok?

 

Alternatively, Cullen became aware at some point, but because most of Hawke's activities were relatively benign, as well as their having performed several jobs for the Templar order in the past, made him reticent to bring this to Meredith's attention? It may have been that he figured that Hawke was doing a lot more good outside the Circle, than if he was forced into it?

 

I'm fairly certain that Ser Thrask definitely knew at least, and didn't say anything for that reason?

[riverbanks]

I've been toying with a theory for a while (and probably have mentioned it before) that Meredith's comment about Hawke's name repeatedly popping up in her reports, may have meant that both she and Cullen were either aware, or at least suspected, that Hawke was an apostate long before they were outed at the end of Act 2?

 

Cullen has that "I've been hearing strange rumors about you/your sister Hawke, I hope they're not true" commentary as far back as Act 1. They pretty much knew about the Hawkes all along, just chose not to act on it for this or that reason.

[Cerulione]

IMO, it's entirely possible that they consciously let away some apostates that "do good" outside the Circle like Hawke. Maybe the templars simply hadn't enough manpower to actually raze all apostates, so they simply choose to turn a blind eyes to "useful" ones. In some conversations, Cullen is actually aware of Hawke's apostates friends, such as Anders whose clinics is no secret (Seneschal Bran did pay a visit after a flurry night with dear Pirate). Maybe the templars simply choose to not intervene until they're quite sure that the apostates use blood magic.

 

In act 1, Cullen did gave non mage Hawke warnings about Bethany while I visit him in the Gallows, that he actually "heard rumours about her" and that Hawke & sister should be very careful. (or, he heard rumours about hawke being apostate). I think that he simply knows.

 

ACt 2, it's like Sifr said, the Vicount himself request an audience with Hawke for the Qunari problem. THat sort of protect Hawke for the moment

 

Act 3, Hawke's an open apostate.

 

Anyway, I did have some fun using available spells in the gallows in front of all templars, and no one did say anything...

[R2s Muse]

I wish we knew more. I don't want to be 70+ hrs in and then be rooster (insert other word here) blocked because Im a fanatic Mage supporter lol O well guess that is the fun of trying it out.

Yeah, I know what you mean. Luckily, that's what the game guide is for... assuming it's actually correct this time around. Bide your time; the romance section will get transcribed to the BSN quicker than you can say, "Cullen, take me now."

[Mrs_Stick]

Yeah, I know what you mean. Luckily, that's what the game guide is for... assuming it's actually correct this time around. Bide your time; the romance section will get transcribed to the BSN quicker than you can say, "Cullen, take me now."

I am not getting the game guide. I wanna find it all on my own and figure it out hehehe. If that means I have to do a second run through to get my Cullen   than guess that is what I will have to do 

[pinkjellybeans]

I know =) I just figure with the fighting demons he might not have been sure where the magic was coming from. It fits nicly in my head.

 

I think it's really hard to come up with a believable theory for something that was a mistake. How can someone not notice a huge magic fight going on right in front of them, not to mention that Hawke carries a huge staff on her/his back at all times so in my head it was never a secret that Hawke was a mage haha Oh well, that's why my Hawke will always be a rogue. 

[Mrs_Stick]

I think it's really hard to come up with a believable theory for something that was a mistake. How can someone not notice a huge magic fight going on right in front of them, not to mention that Hawke carries a huge staff on her/his back at all times so in my head it was never a secret that Hawke was a mage haha Oh well, that's why my Hawke will always be a rogue. 

Hawke had blood magic that they were not aware of???? Made everyone forget they were a mage????