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[Hellion Rex]

I think that trying to put down all mages as Cullen requested might eventually bring much more blood mages. If the DA novels are considered "correct", apparently it tooks only seconds for mages to turn to blood magic since Demon keep praying on mages mind, especially when they are cornered. Just imagine a situation where a cornered mage was offered an extra power by demons. If the choice is die or get some extra power from blood magic, I can picture that many will simply choose survival.

 

Some novels clearly stated that you don't need to learn blood magic. You just do the deal and it's in a fraction of second all knowledges necessary is transferred to you.

 

That's why I believe that Orsino didn't really use blood magic until the very end. Because it can be acquired very quickly.

As Panda said, learning blood magic isn't as simple as flipping a switch. Perhaps a mage can instinctively use blood magic in a crude manner to defend themselves, but that is very, very rare.

 

Now, there is a difference between demonic possession and simple blood magic use. When a demon possesses a mage due to stress or a deal, that isn't blood magic. That's simply a mage giving in.

[Cerulione]

As Panda said, learning blood magic isn't as simple as flipping a switch. Perhaps a mage can instinctively use blood magic in a crude manner to defend themselves, but that is very, very rare.

 

Now, there is a difference between demonic possession and simple blood magic use. When a demon possesses a mage due to stress or a deal, that isn't blood magic. That's simply a mage giving in.

 

Weird, Last Flight said differently about how to acquire it. Well it's not cannon probably.

 

I agree about your demonic possession means the mage giving in. But isn't Uldred the one who force other mages to be abomination? Like his demon is much more powerful so he can simply pushes other people to be abomination. We know that blood magic can control mind. If you control the mind of these people and give them up for other demon...

[Ryriena]

I agree using blood magic is not, as easy, as some have made out to be like flipping a switch. It is fact most of the rituals are verily hard to do and yeah, you might have a mage use a simple spell to defend themselves with but most likely demon possession is very rare and this is verily unlikely to have an effect on how many demons their are in the cricle.

[BloodKaiden]

The thing here is that Cullen is bound to always take military approach or not give advice for the Inquisitor regards matter. The game mechanics work like that since he's our military leader. So I wonder how much for example sending army to Lavellan's clan is his personality and how much of it is writing cause Cullen needs to give military approach even in for situation where military approach don't seem good choice at all (like that one).
 
If I remember there was one choice where Josephine had really not confident and vague answer what she would do regards some matter when Leliana had it all clear out. So it seems that for some choices other advisors are better than others

I was wondering about this as well but I think the approach they may have taken is Cullen will say whether or not his services would be best for the operation. Or just be locked out.

[Sifr]

I'm curious about that choice in the DA Keep that says something like "did not do as Cullen requested" (in regards to him demanding all the mages all be put to death in DAO during the Broke Circle quest). Now I'm wondering if it's gonna turn out that a bunch of them had been possessed after all and we'll end up encountering more of them in DAI... kinda like in ME3 where you'd be up against more Geth if you chose to rewrite them, instead of killing them in ME2.

 

Yeah, since the Keep came out I've been wondering what "Paragon" decisions we made back in Origins or DA2 that will turn out to have been the wrong call to make and come back to bite us in the backside later?

 

I've had a sneaking suspicion that Slim Coudry from the Crime Spree quests might turn out to have been lying to us the entire time? I'm wondering if he'll turn out to have been actually a noble himself who was simply using the Warden to screw over his rivals, or more likely, as part of a larger ploy to pinch the Tears of Andraste for himself?

 

I also reckon my decision to gank Ser Landry for being a pompous noble and duel-happy, may have been the wrong call? I'm thinking about going back and changing it, mostly because I only did it because you don't get any XP if you convince him to stand down due to a bug.

 

As for the Cullen one, it'd be cool to see it come into play and learn that he was being properly paranoid in Origins after all and some of the mages saved were Blood Mages. Since you'd figure that he'd have mentioned it in DA2, it'd make more sense to me that they were playing the long game since the Templars were still watching them closely, so they didn't reveal their true colours until the Mage Rebellion started?

 

Plus you know, if he turned out to be right, us Cullenites can finally turn around and say to his detractors;

 

[Xilizhra]

Yeah, since the Keep came out I've been wondering what "Paragon" decisions we made back in Origins or DA2 that will turn out to have been the wrong call to make and come back to bite us in the backside later?

 

I've had a sneaking suspicion that Slim Coudry from the Crime Spree quests might turn out to have been lying to us the entire time? I'm wondering if he'll turn out to have been actually a noble himself who was simply using the Warden to screw over his rivals, or more likely, as part of a larger ploy to pinch the Tears of Andraste for himself?

 

I also reckon my decision to gank Ser Landry for being a pompous noble and duel-happy, may have been the wrong call? I'm thinking about going back and changing it, mostly because I only did it because you don't get any XP if you convince him to stand down due to a bug.

 

As for the Cullen one, it'd be cool to see it come into play and learn that he was being properly paranoid in Origins after all and some of the mages saved were Blood Mages. Since you'd figure that he'd have mentioned it in DA2, it'd make more sense to me that they were playing the long game since the Templars were still watching them closely, so they didn't reveal their true colours until the Mage Rebellion started?

 

Plus you know, if he turned out to be right, us Cullenites can finally turn around and say to his detractors;

 

At which point we will say "Screw off, we did what was right." Especially since Cullen's actual argument was that they were super-stealth abominations, not blood mages.

[Hellion Rex]

As for the Cullen one, it'd be cool to see it come into play and learn that he was being properly paranoid in Origins after all and some of the mages saved were Blood Mages. Since you'd figure that he'd have mentioned it in DA2, it'd make more sense to me that they were playing the long game since the Templars were still watching them closely, so they didn't reveal their true colours until the Mage Rebellion started?

 

Plus you know, if he turned out to be right, us Cullenites can finally turn around and say to his detractors;

 

Uh, how about not just no. How about hell no. I would rather he be very, very wrong about DAO.

[Ryriena]

I never really trusted Slim Corduy so I always offer too turn the tears in myself, because he seemed like he was projecting a little bit much with his hate of the nobles to my Cosuland, and city Elf.

However, I don't like the fact that my decision to not kill innocent children for the crimes of an adult within the Cricle might come back and bite me in the butt as non conformist and would go back too the status quo would go against my Charcter and morals.

[Panda]

I was wondering about this as well but I think the approach they may have taken is Cullen will say whether or not his services would be best for the operation. Or just be locked out.

 

Yes in one's BW's switch stream there was mission where Cullen was locked out and didn't give option for that mission However it also seems like sometimes advisors will offer approach even if it's not good in the situation like with Cullen and Dalish clan ^^

[Cerulione]

Yes in one's BW's switch stream there was mission where Cullen was locked out and didn't give option for that mission However it also seems like sometimes advisors will offer approach even if it's not good in the situation like with Cullen and Dalish clan ^^

 

I just wonder, why actually we have to send an advisor for the Dalish Clan? From what I understand, the clan simply wants reassurance from Lavellan that he/she is okay and choose to stay in the inquisition instead of being held and forced. Seeing how in any case we will travel everywhere, why don't a Dalish Inquisitor simply go him/herself to speak with the Clan directly? It's much more convincing & can even get allies

[R2s Muse]

Awww that's sweet. But isn't Andraste's Grace a kind of flower associated with Leliana? Like I associate Rose with Alistair. How about some other flowers ?

LOL Seriously? I think if it's associated with anything for me, it's dying mabaris. But who's being picky right?

So feel free not to enjoy my little celebration. I'm sorry it didn't live up to your standards.

[Cerulione]

LOL Seriously? I think if it's associated with anything for me, it's dying mabaris. But who's being picky right?

 

Andraste's Grace is a cut-scene gift for Leliana in DA:O so I always associate this flower with her. But that flower being Ferelden, Cullen might be fond of it too. The pic is nice is any case

[Xilizhra]

LOL Seriously? I think if it's associated with anything for me, it's dying mabaris. But who's being picky right?

So feel free not to enjoy my little celebration. I'm sorry it didn't live up to your standards.

Er, that's not Andraste's Grace that cures darkspawn taint.

[Cerulione]

Er, that's not Andraste's Grace that cures darkspawn taint.

 

It surely shares the same image of a flower on a dead trunk. That being said, it is entirely possible that the Wild Flower mentionned by Kennel master of Ostagar is actually Andraste's Grace. Or it may be an entirely different flower, and BW just re-use images they already had.

[Panda]

Weird, Last Flight said differently about how to acquire it. Well it's not cannon probably.

 

I agree about your demonic possession means the mage giving in. But isn't Uldred the one who force other mages to be abomination? Like his demon is much more powerful so he can simply pushes other people to be abomination. We know that blood magic can control mind. If you control the mind of these people and give them up for other demon...

 

Last Flight is written by writer outside of Bioware, she's fantasy writer and did research for the Last Flight but she isn't one of writers. So I'd say what's in games overrule what is in Last Flight in case of conflict ^^

 

Many blood mages are abominations but Merrill for example isn't abomination nor was Warden/Hawke if they were blood mages. You can control people's mind with blood magic though so that helps to get them under demonic possession I think. Uldred was both abomination and blood mage.

[Panda]

I just wonder, why actually we have to send an advisor for the Dalish Clan? From what I understand, the clan simply wants reassurance from Lavellan that he/she is okay and choose to stay in the inquisition instead of being held and forced. Seeing how in any case we will travel everywhere, why don't a Dalish Inquisitor simply go him/herself to speak with the Clan directly? It's much more convincing & can even get allies

 

That sounds most reasonable option to me or writing them letter if you haven't time to go yourself. But maybe you are just too busy or they are too far, idk..

[Chanda]

Wow, we're getting snippy over a flower, guys. Really? Over a flower? It's just a flower. Who cares?

[LolaLei]

As Panda said, learning blood magic isn't as simple as flipping a switch. Perhaps a mage can instinctively use blood magic in a crude manner to defend themselves, but that is very, very rare.

 

Now, there is a difference between demonic possession and simple blood magic use. When a demon possesses a mage due to stress or a deal, that isn't blood magic. That's simply a mage giving in.

 

That's another reason why they removed the Blood Magic skill from DAI, because they felt they'd made it seem like an easy and simple thing to learn/acquire. 

[Hellion Rex]

That's another reason why they removed the Blood Magic skill from DAI, because they felt they'd made it seem like a easy and simple thing to learn/acquire. 

Exactly. They weren't able to give blood magic ample weight to keep up with how it's depicted in the lore.

[Ryriena]

I just wish they had blood magic I liked the **** man.

[Cerulione]

Last Flight is written by writer outside of Bioware, she's fantasy writer and did research for the Last Flight but she isn't one of writers. So I'd say what's in games overrule what is in Last Flight in case of conflict ^^

 

Many blood mages are abominations but Merrill for example isn't abomination nor was Warden/Hawke if they were blood mages. You can control people's mind with blood magic though so that helps to get them under demonic possession I think. Uldred was both abomination and blood mage.

 

OK then, forget what I said, I believed in Last Flight too much.

 

And wasn't the other reason to remove blood magic is because the dev said in one of the video that Blood magic should not be considered as a specialization since it's both a specialization & source of power? And apparently since in DA:I people will react on your classes etc so they think that it'll be hard to give proper reaction to Blood Mage inquisitor since it's tied too much to demon. And the Inquisition is to fight demon & closed the rift?

 

 

Wow, we're getting snippy over a flower, guys. Really? Over a flower? It's just a flower. Who cares?

 

Err... I was snippy? Sorry. Didn't mean that, just wishes that our beloved quizzy can get associated with a flower that hasn't a story tied with another character, that's all. Like that we can get a proper Commander Lion & Inquisitor (Put flower name here).

[Sifr]

At which point we will say "Screw off, we did what was right." Especially since Cullen's actual argument was that they were super-stealth abominations, not blood mages.

 

Uh, how about not just no. How about hell no. I would rather he be very, very wrong about DAO.

 

I'm not saying that that not listening to him and refusing to annul the Circle wasn't the right thing, since he wildly accuses them of being both blood mages and abominations at various points iirc, just that it'd be interesting to learn that at least one or two of the mages we spared did turn out to be some of Uldred's cronies who escaped detection?

 

After all, we saw Grace in DA2 who claimed to not be a blood mage in Act 1, yet in Act 3 we learn she's not only a blood mage, but may have been possessed by a demon prior to you fighting her, throwing her earlier claims of innocence into doubt?

 

Likewise, even though refusing to annul the Gallows was probably the right thing to do in DA2, it's heavily implied that quite a few of the mages there had in fact turned to blood magic, or chose to resort to it in order to fight back against the Templars?

 

Revisiting past decisions and making the good options turn out to be more morally grey, I think actually makes it more realistic.

 

After all, Bhelen is the right choice for Orzammar, yet DA2 revealed that he didn't just have Harrowmont executed for trying to usurp the throne from him, but had nearly the entire Harrowmont line wiped out simply because he's a vindictive son-of-a-nug!

[Xilizhra]

I'm not saying that that not listening to him and refusing to annul the Circle wasn't the right thing, since he wildly accuses them of being both blood mages and abominations at various points iirc, just that it'd be interesting to learn that at least one or two of the mages we spared did turn out to be some of Uldred's cronies who escaped detection?

 

After all, we saw Grace in DA2 who claimed to not be a blood mage in Act 1, yet in Act 3 we learn she's not only a blood mage, but may have been possessed by a demon prior to you fighting her, throwing her earlier claims of innocence into doubt?

 

Likewise, even though refusing to annul the Gallows was probably the right thing to do in DA2, it's heavily implied that quite a few of the mages there had in fact turned to blood magic, or chose to resort to it in order to fight back against the Templars?

 

Revisiting past decisions and making the good options turn out to be more morally grey, I think actually makes it more realistic.

 

After all, Bhelen is the right choice for Orzammar, yet DA2 revealed that he didn't just have Harrowmont executed for trying to usurp the throne from him, but had nearly the entire Harrowmont line wiped out simply because he's a vindictive son-of-a-nug!

No. DA2 had far too much of that crap anyway. We don't need to give the antimage bigots more ammunition, ever again.

[Hellion Rex]

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[Cerulione]

After all, Bhelen is the right choice for Orzammar, yet DA2 revealed that he didn't just have Harrowmont executed for trying to usurp the throne from him, but had nearly the entire Harrowmont line wiped out simply because he's a vindictive son-of-a-nug!

 

Realistically speaking, if you want to build something worthwhile, you have to have stability. Not removing Harrowmont line will only invite possible assasination attemps & rebellion. That will destabilize everything. In some cases, being "the good man" might not mean be a good ruler. It might imply trying to please everyone and not getting the work done.

 

That's what I like about DA:O. Like what Angry Joe said on his review about DA:O, it's all about very tough choice.