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[Tishina]

That's the thing though - Cullen is surely a fantastic strategist, and chess is a great game to exercise that sort of skill with, but is there a humanist aspect to chess? Is the thoughtfulness involved with calculating your next move in chess the same as the thoughtfulness involved with being kind to another person, apart from perhaps throwing the game to let your opponent win out of niceness? I guess I want to know if, beyond that tactical mindset, he'll understand when we want to choose a kinder approach to dealing with enemies. You can crunch numbers about your chances of success with a particular tactic, to be sure, but for so long so many of the people in Thedas have been using force against each other in their attempts to achieve their goals at the expense of compassion. I'd just like to have the opportunity to inspire some of the people in Thedas to do the right thing because they want to or agree with the reasoning (however begrudgingly) without the use of force. Cullen's certainly a reasonable fellow, of course. I guess I'm just wondering how he's been written in a way that balances that need to have an upfront military strategist with my perception of Cullen as a "kind, if firm" kinda guy.

 

Basically, this game needs to come out already, yo.

I think he is a reasonable man, and depending on how the Inquisitor explains her reasoning (and they've hinted we get that chance in later conversations), he may even agree that she made a good choice. He's the military advisor, but he's also going to be in favor of conserving their military strength to apply it where it's needed most.

[Tishina]

This would be my guess as well. There's no Amell connection this time around. So I would expect the odds of a reference to be the same for surana vs. amell warden.

I don't think there's anything in the Keep about the mage Origin, so with the possible exception of a Leliana-Surana/Amell romance which could lead to conversation between him and Leliana because they both knew/know her, I actually would be surprised if he makes any reference to a mage warden flirtation now.

[timebean]

That's the thing though - Cullen is surely a fantastic strategist, and chess is a great game to exercise that sort of skill with, but is there a humanist aspect to chess? Is the thoughtfulness involved with calculating your next move in chess the same as the thoughtfulness involved with being kind to another person, apart from perhaps throwing the game to let your opponent win out of niceness? I guess I want to know if, beyond that tactical mindset, he'll understand when we want to choose a kinder approach to dealing with enemies. You can crunch numbers about your chances of success with a particular tactic, to be sure, but for so long so many of the people in Thedas have been using force against each other in their attempts to achieve their goals at the expense of compassion. I'd just like to have the opportunity to inspire some of the people in Thedas to do the right thing because they want to or agree with the reasoning (however begrudgingly) without the use of force. Cullen's certainly a reasonable fellow, of course. I guess I'm just wondering how he's been written in a way that balances that need to have an upfront military strategist with my perception of Cullen as a "kind, if firm" kinda guy.

 

Basically, this game needs to come out already, yo.

I have been reading your posts (very interesting and well-thought out, btw) but I wonder about Josephine.  Just because she is a diplomat does not necessarily mean all of her moves will be "diplomatic" in a pacifist sense.  Ie, she is a noble, after all, so I have a feeling there may be many times where her approach to a situation may be to try to to reason with a noble, using her connections.  Then Cullen may be more like, "no, the nobility has done the wrong this in this instance, so let's move in and help the commoners"  It may turn out that, even as a pacifist, his approach may feel more honest to you.

 

Ie, his straightforward approach, in terms of good versus bad, may be better in situations where you actually WANT to feel like a good guy, but it will likely depend on the situation.  I think there will be a little of good and bad to all the advisers.  Diplomacy can be underhanded just as military strikes can be cruel.  I think few choices will be black or white, or at least not all the time.

 

Ie, what I am trying to say, though not very eloquently (it is late here and I am half asleep), is that I don't think Cullen's role will necessarily be the "bad guy" or even the "iron-fist" approach (not that I think you were saying that, but I wanted to make the point).  Maybe sometimes, it will be the "help the underdogs" or even the "transparent and honest" approach. 

 

But who knows?  Gotta wait to play the game to see for sure.

[Lady Artifice]

I don't think there's anything in the Keep about the mage Origin, so with the possible exception of a Leliana-Surana/Amell romance which could lead to conversation between him and Leliana because they both knew/know her, I actually would be surprised if he makes any reference to a mage warden flirtation now.

They don't ask if she propositioned him? I'm shocked.

[Lady Artifice]

I have been reading your posts (very interesting and well-thought out, btw) but I wonder about Josephine.  Just because she is a diplomat does not necessarily mean all of her moves will be "diplomatic" in a pacifist sense.  Ie, she is a noble, after all, so I have a feeling there may be many times where her approach to a situation may be to try to to reason with a noble, using her connections.  Then Cullen may be more like, "no, the nobility has done the wrong this in this instance, so let's move in and help the commoners"  It may turn out that, even as a pacifist, his approach may feel more honest to you.
 
Ie, his straightforward approach, in terms of good versus bad, may be better in situations where you actually WANT to feel like a good guy, but it will likely depend on the situation.  I think there will be a little of good and bad to all the advisers.  Diplomacy can be underhanded just as military strikes can be cruel.  I think few choices will be black or white, or at least not all the time.
 
Ie, what I am trying to say, though not very eloquently (it is late here and I am half asleep), is that I don't think Cullen's role will necessarily be the "bad guy" or even the "iron-fist" approach (not that I think you were saying that, but I wanted to make the point).  Maybe sometimes, it will be the "help the underdogs" or even the "transparent and honest" approach. 
 
But who knows?  Gotta wait to play the game to see for sure.

Well said. It reminds me of how often killing someone is treated as the moral decision in the previous games...such as slavers in DA2. They work hard to implement grey and grey morality, and the more peaceful choice can be perceived as the less altruistic.

[AstraDrakkar]

I have a DAO female mage world state set up just for Cullen.

 

Oh and here's a NSFW from Greendelle:

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[Tishina]

They don't ask if she propositioned him? I'm shocked.

I suspect they decided it was safer not to include warden mage content in the Cullen romance. A lot of people would object to having it mentioned at all. I'd find it entertaining, but I'm not possessive about in-game romances (in fact I tend to favor the non-possessive LIs now that I think about it). Me, I'd be prying into his past romance history ("Believe me I'm not complaining, but where exactly did a Templar learn how to do that?")

[Lucidae]

Thanks for your input guys.... It is making me feel a bit more at ease (BF would give me a judging look if I brought this up with him lol). I am thinking maybe to do two mage playthroughs now, just going down different skill trees for a different experience.

[Sephirona]

I have been reading your posts (very interesting and well-thought out, btw) but I wonder about Josephine.  Just because she is a diplomat does not necessarily mean all of her moves will be "diplomatic" in a pacifist sense.  Ie, she is a noble, after all, so I have a feeling there may be many times where her approach to a situation may be to try to to reason with a noble, using her connections.  Then Cullen may be more like, "no, the nobility has done the wrong this in this instance, so let's move in and help the commoners"  It may turn out that, even as a pacifist, his approach may feel more honest to you.

 

Ie, his straightforward approach, in terms of good versus bad, may be better in situations where you actually WANT to feel like a good guy, but it will likely depend on the situation.  I think there will be a little of good and bad to all the advisers.  Diplomacy can be underhanded just as military strikes can be cruel.  I think few choices will be black or white, or at least not all the time.

 

Ie, what I am trying to say, though not very eloquently (it is late here and I am half asleep), is that I don't think Cullen's role will necessarily be the "bad guy" or even the "iron-fist" approach (not that I think you were saying that, but I wanted to make the point).  Maybe sometimes, it will be the "help the underdogs" or even the "transparent and honest" approach. 

 

But who knows?  Gotta wait to play the game to see for sure.

 

That's definitely a great point about Josephine, thanks! I understood you perfectly haha, no worries. I can definitely see how Cullen's straightforwardness would be a benefit in that situation - and, no doubt about it, politicians and nobles can be incredibly corrupt as well.

 

Now, my impression of Josephine is just from what I've heard her say so far - and I don't think it's a huge spoiler because I'm not providing context and only information about what she says she wants to do, but I'll put it in a spoiler tag just in case (this was from one of the very early streams by Bioware):

 

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At one point Leliana comes in to a scene and says she has a much quicker (and deadlier) way to deal with a situation, but Josephine pretty much says she just wants to talk it out and avoid any more bloodshed. The way she says it makes it seem like she really hates the idea of any more killing.

 

That's why I feel like Josephine isn't a killer, and even if she is misguided she'd rather try to work her way through the issue instead of resorting to brute force. It just seems like how I personally would conduct my affairs, and I have a feeling I might be inclined to side with her quite a lot. I don't want to hang death over anyone's head and while that might mean it'll take longer to resolve an issue, that's my moral stance. I didn't kill Jowan, I kept him in prison As a figure of great importance in a lot of peoples' lives in Inquisition I just feel like we're in a prime position to be setting a good example for the people of Thedas. If I'm dealing with factions of people I want to make sure I am as kind and just as possible. 

 

Well said. It reminds me of how often killing someone is treated as the moral decision in the previous games...such as slavers in DA2. They work hard to implement grey and grey morality, and the more peaceful choice can be perceived as the less altruistic.

 

 

That's also a great point about grey morality too! I can see why it might be more just to kill people/creatures/enemies whose sole purpose is to steal away peoples' autonomy - it's the same reason I usually kill the desire demons I catch possessing others, I guess.

 

But yeah, in the end I'm just really interested in seeing what sort of a stance Cullen will take on these issues and how he'll handle it when we disagree. Hopefully I won't be racking up those disapproval points, LOL.

[Lady Artifice]

@ Sephirona

You're such a darling. You remind me of Josephine.

I'm nervous about it, too, but that's just because I'm nervous about all of it.

I really think siding with Josephine a lot and not him will be okay as long as we're respectful and kind to him. He disagrees with Josephine's wide eyed idealism but he certainly doesn't seem to dislike her over it. I imagine we can interact with him in a similar way.

He might even find it charming.


Edit: Also, I know that rivalmance is gone, but I think I read somewhere that they'll acknowledge attraction can exist without a full blown romance, that you can become temporarily involved with someone you don't get along with?

Anyway, my point is that I suspect they're trying to go for more nuance this time around when it comes to ALL relationships than they have before. Something with elements of both games that allows you to have differences with people without that being full blown antagonism.

Or it might just be me hoping. We'll see.

[Syndiscretion]

Here is a question for you, now they said that once someone is a love interest they will NEVER be a love interest again. In fact after they are a love interest the best you can really hope for is brushing across them from time to time, like Alistair if he is king or the seeing Zevran briefly. Does that bother anyone else that this may very well be the last game we see Cullen in?

[AstraDrakkar]

Of course that idea would bother every Cullenite to one degree or another I think.

[Lady Artifice]

Here is a question for you, now they said that once someone is a love interest they will NEVER be a love interest again. In fact after they are a love interest the best you can really hope for is brushing across them from time to time, like Alistair if he is king or the seeing Zevran briefly. Does that bother anyone else that this may very well be the last game we see Cullen in?

I'm too busy being excited about romancing him now to be sad he may not be a focal point in the future. We've always known established characters have to make way for the new.

I want to revel in what I have now.

[AstraDrakkar]

And I can replay the game for years like I have the other DA games.

[phyreblade74]

Here is a question for you, now they said that once someone is a love interest they will NEVER be a love interest again. In fact after they are a love interest the best you can really hope for is brushing across them from time to time, like Alistair if he is king or the seeing Zevran briefly. Does that bother anyone else that this may very well be the last game we see Cullen in?

 

I think it would bother me more, if one of my prior characters' LI suddenly flirted and cajoled a new character, rather.  Was a complete slap in the face when my mage's Zevran still offered to spend some extra-special time with my Hawke.  Out of sight out of mind, my foot.

[Livaine]

I suspect it will be more subtle than that. Choices in game etc.

Pure Speculation: female Trevelyan who embraced the Herald thing, may become the next Divine for all we know...leaving her lover for the Maker 

I would hope my F!Trev doesn't get herself trapped in that kind of ending. I can't say trading my newfound freedom and soulmate over religion would float my boat. Speculation aside, I am worried about that possibility since they likely will appoint a new Devine at the end of the game.  Hopefully I could choose to offer Mother Giselle the position instead, and walk away triumphantly into the sunset with Cullen at my side. *fistpump*

 

Sorry, I just had to come out of lurking with all the speculation and talks of death and betrayal making me paranoid the closer it gets to gametime. 

[AstraDrakkar]

LOL, not Cullen related but Iron Bull fans might find this amusing. It appears IB may have a thing for redheads.

 

Here's a quote: "Plus, you folk have redheads. (Sighs.) Redheads."

[sunbean]

LOL, not Cullen related but Iron Bull fans might find this amusing. It appears IB may have a thing for redheads.

 

Here's a quote: "Plus, you folk have redheads. (Sighs.) Redheads."

 

This makes me tempted to play as a redhead for my first playthrough. Just to experience the subtle irony. 

 

Anyways, who DOESN'T have a thing for redheads?

[AstraDrakkar]

I don't. I prefer blondes. (*sigh*) Cullen.

[Lady Artifice]

I have VERY red hair, so I'm excited to make an assassin inquisitor that looks like me for him. He's my second favourite love interest option, just after Cullen, of course.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

Argghhhhh! I am obsessed with this girl! I am going to model my first inquisitor after her, but older. I hope the CC will give me the same kind of option for freckles.

 

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Sorry! I'm just still super excited that I finally found someone I want to model my Inquisitor after appearance wise. *happy bum wiggle* I'm-a just gonna go stare at her some more! 

[Lady Artifice]

Argghhhhh! I am obsessed with this girl! I am going to model my first inquisitor after her, but older. I hope the CC will give me the same kind of option for freckles.
 

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Sorry! I'm just still super excited that I finally found someone I want to model my Inquisitor after appearance wise. *happy bum wiggle* I'm-a just gonna go stare at her some more! 

She's adorable!

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

She's adorable!

 

I know right?! I'm in love with her look. I hope Cullen will be too..... not that he has a choice   

 

Edit: Cullen for top - spoiler for size

 

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[AstraDrakkar]

I can hardly wait to create my first character for DA:I. It'll probably take hours to get her just right.

[Asperath]

 

Argghhhhh! I am obsessed with this girl! I am going to model my first inquisitor after her, but older. I hope the CC will give me the same kind of option for freckles.

 

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Sorry! I'm just still super excited that I finally found someone I want to model my Inquisitor after appearance wise. *happy bum wiggle* I'm-a just gonna go stare at her some more! 

 

 

 

What happened to modelling her after you avatar pic?