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[wicked_design]

Did anyone else think it was odd that

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a mage Trev romancing Cullen can make the same remark about being noble and her title as a non-mage, and refer to her family? I kind of think that must have been an oversight since mages lose titles and rarely have family contact.

Yes, I wonder about that too. Perhaps Ostwick Circle is run differently? Like Orlais Circle? Hmm..still, it may be a glitch.

[morie91]

btw anyone also feels a little disappointed of the scene where cullen sings "the dawn will come"?

 

i mean it's good, and sweet, and heartwarming, but after greg's tweets i was hoping for cullen to sing some serenade, or a small song for my quizzy only ;n;

 

and even for what we got, there's not enough of cullen's singing voice, i feel thirsty for more! ;p

[The Elder King]

Yes, I wonder about that too. Perhaps Ostwick Circle is run differently? Like Orlais Circle? Hmm..still, it may be a glitch.

It's Not the first time. With some dialogues with josephine you can make your mage very loved (or hated ) by your family, as well as being often brought home for 'vacation'.
Granted, the spoiler is possibly a bit more (can someone put what she pc said in a spoiler tag?).

[Renmiri1]

i'd totally buy that!! but please give me cullen in it or an equivalent of him ;p

 

then no one would have the right to complain "why i can't romance character x with my male/female character?! boo boo!"

Can you imagine a dating sim  by Bioware that allows you to unlock any character of their franchise just like Nintendo does with Super Smash Brothers ? I'd go with Revan, Allistair, Fenris, Cullen, Solas...

[SpiritMuse]

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he wasn't rude... the worst part is that he seems so distant, cold towards your quizzy ;n;

i think he becomes his old self a little. this cold, ruthless templar he used to be in kirkwall.

 

and he says that he can't be with you in that state, which ends the romance immediately and i think you can't talk any sense to him either way

 

I really should learn not to click all those Cullen romance spoilers...

 

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But I can tell you from my non-romance point of view, I had him take the lyrium and he was certainly all business to my dwarfquisitor, and had no trouble with his ruthless nature. Of course I did take every opportunity to squash any friendliness and "weakness".   

[riverbanks]

(can someone put what she pc said in a spoiler tag?).

 

If it's the same conversation he has with non-mage Trevelyan,

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she asks him if it bothers him that she's nobility, since he hates nobles. He says no, then asks if it bothers her that he has no title. She can answer of course not / not me but my family will hate you / it doesn't matter.

[Tishina]

If it's the same conversation he has with non-mage Trevelyan,

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she asks him if it bothers him that she's nobility, since he hates nobles. He says no, then asks if it bothers her that he has no title. She can answer of course not / not me but my family will hate you / it doesn't matter.

Yes, it's exactly the same, I think.

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Which surprised me. Mage circles - inconsistency was apparently their defining quality. I expected Ostwick's to be one of the really strict ones because of the heavy chantry presence, but apparently it can be the opposite.

[riverbanks]

Yes, it's exactly the same, I think.

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Which surprised me. Mage circles - inconsistency was apparently their defining quality. I expected Ostwick's to be one of the really strict ones because of the heavy chantry presence, but apparently it can be the opposite.

 

I'm just gonna keep telling myself it's a bug and should never have triggered and pretending that non-mage Trev got at least one unique conversation too. Makes me less mopey  about it.

[Chrys]

Yes, it's exactly the same, I think.

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Which surprised me. Mage circles - inconsistency was apparently their defining quality. I expected Ostwick's to be one of the really strict ones because of the heavy chantry presence, but apparently it can be the opposite.

 

I think it's either a bug or they goofed.

 

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Even if they meant to imply that the Ostwick Circle was very liberal and you met your family a lot, it makes absolutely no sense for him to ask if it bothers you that he doesn't have a title. You don't have one either and it's actually your condition (as a mage) that makes the relationship looked down upon, not his.

[Ryriena]

Being a Mage alone is a problem for a lot of people in Thedas, so I could see why the family wouldn't want her to have a realationship down the line. Don't want mage blood polluting the gene pool or disgracing them ect. Rolls eyes. My mage just tells him by law Mages don't hold titles. Ostwick circle wouldn't be less liberal as looked what happen to the Riverin circle for letting the mages live with their families.

[Xeyska]

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he wasn't rude... the worst part is that he seems so distant, cold towards your quizzy ;n;

i think he becomes his old self a little. this cold, ruthless templar he used to be in kirkwall.

 

and he says that he can't be with you in that state, which ends the romance immediately and i think you can't talk any sense to him either way

 

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You were right about him being cold and distant, he's like the hardcore duty-bound version of his DA2 incarnation. What hurt the most was that he sounded betrayed by the Inquisitor to me, especially this line:

 

"I wasn't the same after Ferelden. I've tried putting that behind me. Clearly I don't know how. Until that's possible, I shouldn't be with anyone."

 

"I am bound to the Inquisition. I will serve until I am no longer needed."

 

Do not want.

 

He did say he found my Warden "compelling," now that he isn't with my Inquisitor.

[Tishina]

I think it's either a bug or they goofed.

 

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Even if they meant to imply that the Ostwick Circle was very liberal and you met your family a lot, it makes absolutely no sense for him to ask if it bothers you that he doesn't have a title. You don't have one either and it's actually your condition (as a mage) that makes the relationship looked down upon, not his.

I've been trying to find

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conversations that people have about the Ostwick Circle, but I haven't had much luck yet. I'm very curious now at just what the variations are or can be. I may need to rethink Ryumka if it's all friendly family relations. My entire idea of her personality as very reserved was that she was shunned by the mages because of her relatives, and at least marginally bullied by some of the Templars because she'd disgraced the family. I may either need to rewrite her loner personality or come up with another reason for it.

[LolaLei]

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Rushed indeed, at some moments it was felt like he is not in romantic relationship with my Inq.
During Samson nemesis quest they add one line at last part, and rest was like I never romanced him. He could be more passionate to my Inq. at some business/work stuff, after all rumours in barracks are spreading quickly
Final battle - meh, not very spectacular fight really.

 

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Rushed indeed, at some moments it was felt like he is not in romantic relationship with my Inq.
During Samson nemesis quest they add one line at last part, and rest was like I never romanced him. He could be more passionate to my Inq. at some business/work stuff, after all rumours in barracks are spreading quickly
Final battle - meh, not very spectacular fight really.

 

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I think it shows more with him because the tone in which he speaks to her for the romance dialogue is so much softer and sweeter than when he talks in his business voice, which feels a bit jarring at times as it switches between the two. Haven't done the nemesis side of that quest yet because I went pro-mage the first time around so it locks after Dagna makes the red lyrium rune for you. 

 

The final battle really disappointed me, but I think that's my fault for letting myself get carried away with speculation and theories lol. I guess I was expecting it to feel more urgent and epic than it actually was, with our choices, allies, troops etc all coming into play. I thought for sure that we'd at least get a real possibility of dying if we weren't prepared enough.

[LolaLei]

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You were right about him being cold and distant, he's like the hardcore duty-bound version of his DA2 incarnation. What hurt the most was that he sounded betrayed by the Inquisitor to me, especially this line:

 

"I wasn't the same after Ferelden. I've tried putting that behind me. Clearly I don't know how. Until that's possible, I shouldn't be with anyone."

 

"I am bound to the Inquisition. I will serve until I am no longer needed."

 

Do not want.

 

He did say he found my Warden "compelling," now that he isn't with my Inquisitor.

 

Why hasn't anyone recorded that yet? I really wanna see it!

[Xeyska]

Why hasn't anyone recorded that yet? I really wanna see it!

 

I did, let me process the video and I'll upload it.

[LolaLei]

I did, let me process the video and I'll upload it.

 

You're a star!

[SpiritMuse]

I did, let me process the video and I'll upload it.

 

Gah!  Blessed are they who stand before the corrupt and the wicked and do not falter... 

[Xeyska]

You're a star!

 

Here it is.

 

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[Boudicae]

Here it is.
 

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Thanks for uploading this!

[Chrys]

Here it is.

 

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Ugh. I'm gonna have a hard time doing this, even out of romance with my jerk characters.

[iheartbob]

 

Thank goodness for youtube because there is no way I could even watch that with my own inquisitor even if I could reload it.

[Tishina]

Ugh. I'm gonna have a hard time doing this, even out of romance with my jerk characters.

Me too! Thanks, Xeyska!

[sch1986]

Here it is.
 

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Ouch- he doesn't even sound like the same Cullen. He sounds like a robot...

[TheRaccoon]

Here it is.

 

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:'( I loaded my save to try this one myself since I wanted to see all scenes with Cullen. This is sad. But how the inquisitor break up with Cullen is even more disheartening. I can't believe I have done such horrible things.

[LolaLei]

Here it is.

 

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Daaaaayum!

 

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It just goes to show how determined he had been to come off the stuff, I guess that also explains why he was single for so long because he hadn't gotten over his issues from his torture in Ferelden... his addiction and desperation to come off lyrium once he left the Order only added to his head mess. He really has been through hell, hasn't he. 

 

It's a shame they didn't go into more detail with that aspect of his story arc, they definitely could have run with it for a little longer throughout the game than they did. I guess that's just another thing that fell slightly short of the mark.

 

Still, at least we finally got our man!