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[CuriousArtemis]

Umm really? To me the system which is full of different sexualities sounds best rather than everyone being bisexual. I understand how it can be sad when companion you wanted to romance is wrong sexuality to your character but otherwise I think this choice gives more representation than all bi.

 

It certainly does, but the question being raised is whether this emphasis on representation should outweigh role-play-ability and play choice. 

 

It's also important to note that DA2 followers were never bisexual; they were player sexual. So, for instance, in my game Isabela was bi, Anders was bi, Fenris was gay, and Merrill was straight. That's pretty decent representation right there.

[CuriousArtemis]

Even as a straight male myself, I have absolutely no problem playing the Warden, Hawke or Shepard as having a different gender or orientation to my own. It's part of the fun of roleplay games to allow you to make that disconnect after all, otherwise, what's the point of us even playing a character?

 

Well, people role-play for different reasons. Some want to be a "better" more heroic version of themselves. Others enjoying playing someone very much not like themselves. So the way I play Dragon Age and the reasons why I create my character and decide who I will romance may be different from yours. 

[Panda]

It certainly does, but the question being raised is whether this emphasis on representation should outweigh role-play-ability and play choice. 

 

It's also important to note that DA2 followers were never bisexual; they were player sexual. So, for instance, in my game Isabela was bi, Anders was bi, Fenris was gay, and Merrill was straight. That's pretty decent representation right there.

 

I guess but I don't think different sexualitys take too much away from choice. Also I think it's better to have characters with set sexuality rather than following players mind. Overall I think both of systems are fine for me, playersexuality makes it easier for me to play and choose my romances but set sexualities are more well realistic (some seem to hate this word but I think some realism is good XD). I just have hard time to see why some people are upset about Bioware's choice but maybe that's cause I like to play equally with female and male characters so different sexualities aren't problem to me.

[Sifr]

 

It's also important to note that DA2 followers were never bisexual; they were player sexual. So, for instance, in my game Isabela was bi, Anders was bi, Fenris was gay, and Merrill was straight. That's pretty decent representation right there.

 

Which is amusing, as I always play Hawke as either being bi or simply comfortable enough with their sexuality to flirt with men and women, so that whatever romance they pursue becomes a non-issue on the matter. So a Male Hawke who ultimately romances Merrill, might still flirt with Anders or Fenris in Act 1, for example, because that's simply who they are.

 

As I think I said on the old thread, when it comes to my roleplaying, I just want to allowed to hit on everybody.

[The Elder King]

In the case they'll go to the 2/2/2 (which isn't confirmed at this point), I don't think Cullen will be the straight option. I don't think that the straight one will be a non-Follower.
It's possible, I guess, but I don't find it likely.
In the 2/2/2 scenario, i think it'll be like this:
1)Straight: Solas/Dorian (don't that a clue which one), Cassandra
2)Homosexual: Dorian/Solas, Sera
3)Bisexual: Cullen/ SG.

[CuriousArtemis]

I guess but I don't think different sexualitys take too much away from choice.

 

*snip*

 

I just have hard time to see why some people are upset about Bioware's choice but maybe that's cause I like to play equally with female and male characters so different sexualities aren't problem to me.

 

Yes, you answered your own question

[Sister Goldring]

Umm really? To me the system which is full of different sexualities sounds best rather than everyone being bisexual. I understand how it can be sad when companion you wanted to romance is wrong sexuality to your character but otherwise I think this choice gives more representation than all bi.

Well I guess my feeling was that the benefit of player-sexuality wasn't predominately that it offered the same level of representation numerically (not that this isn't an issue of importance in it's own right) but simply that there was no distinction made between the sexual relationships possible. All gamers could romance all the available characters and no-one was locked out of a relationship that they wanted to explore because of their sexuality. It seems to me that when you are represented in an extremely limited way in the media then the freedom of choice and having the same options as everyone else might be a thing of value in and of itself.

I don't want to talk further because I'm getting into a grey area in my comfort zone trying to describe what I think might be valuable to a group I'm not a member of. With respect I wanted to respond with my feelings, I hope this is not inappropriate.

[CuriousArtemis]

As I think I said on the old thread, when it comes to my roleplaying, I just want to allowed to hit on everybody.

 

ROFL I had a Hawke who did that; he actually slept with Isabela and ended up with Anders, but he flirted with everyone else, too, Aveline and Tallis included. Oh Xander Hawke... you rascal, you!

[CuriousArtemis]

In the case they'll go to the 2/2/2 (which isn't confirmed at this point), I don't think Cullen will be the straight option. I don't think that the straight one will be a non-Follower.

 

I'm gonna hitch my hope machine to yours if that's okay

[CuriousArtemis]

It seems to me that when you are represented in an extremely limited way in the media then the freedom of choice and having the same options as everyone else might be a thing of value in and of itself.

 

Oh, lovely way of putting that. 

 

I don't want to talk further because I'm getting into a grey area in my comfort zone trying to describe what I think might be valuable to a group I'm not a member of. With respect I wanted to respond with my feelings, I hope this is not inappropriate. 

 

Hey great thing about this thread is we're all laid back and cool with each other, even when disagreeing Right? Only thing I'm worried about is going too off-topic. But so far I think we're all wondering about what Cullen's status will be, so that's still on topic to a degree.

[CuriousArtemis]

I'm actually wondering if Cullen and Cass will be the bi options since they were announced first. I think it is clearly understood by the team that these two are the most requested LIs!

[The Elder King]

I'm gonna hitch my hope machine to yours if that's okay

No problem .
My theory actually goes against my wishes, since I'd like to romance Sera and I was planning to make a male elf . But thest the way I see it happening if there are six LI.

[The Elder King]

I'm actually wondering if Cullen and Cass will be the bi options since they were announced first. I think it is clearly understood by the team that these two are the most requested LIs!

I don't know. Technically they could have announced the straight one as well .
But as I said, I think the straight and homosexual LI will be on the party.

[Panda]

Well I guess my feeling was that the benefit of player-sexuality wasn't predominately that it offered the same level of representation numerically (not that this isn't an issue of importance in it's own right) but simply that there was no distinction made between the sexual relationships possible. All gamers could romance all the available characters and no-one was locked out of a relationship that they wanted to explore because of their sexuality. It seems to me that when you are represented in an extremely limited way in the media then the freedom of choice and having the same options as everyone else might be a thing of value in and of itself.

I don't want to talk further because I'm getting into a grey area in my comfort zone trying to describe what I think might be valuable to a group I'm not a member of. With respect I wanted to respond with my feelings, I hope this is not inappropriate.

 

Well yea I guess I'm same. It seem like different people think differently about the issue what I have seen. Some think playersexuality gives more presentation other think different sexualities does, some like more choices and some don't. I just don't understand why people just so feel so strong about the subject since to me there is not much of difference.

EDIT: What I'm trying to say.. I'm just baffled about aggressiviness of some responses to news (not in this thread).

[Sifr]

Yeah Cass strikes me as being a likely option for our bisexual romance, or possibly even our gay one. Sure, there might be some backlash from those who'd want to romance her with a male Inquisitor, but I have the suspicion that she'll be very hard to romance either way. Cass strikes me as so focused on her job that she's views romance as a distraction at best and a liability at worst.

 

As for Cullen, yeah I could see him as being a bisexual romance as well. They handled it with Kaidan fairly well in ME3 and he was someone we had as a previous companion, but Cullen's been a minor character we know very little about and had little interaction with.

[LolaLei]

@Lola: That was pretty much my reaction, apart from the lovely voice, of course. Thanks!

 

Aw, thank you!

[LolaLei]

Maker almighty, what did I miss? Did more info happen after the Gameplay Trailer come out or something?

[Jean]

I'm a bisexual female in real life and do enjoy playing as both genders equally, so I do feel slightly privileged in this situation. I liked the playersexual setup in DA2 because I could roll whatever gender Hawke I felt like and go with it. At the same time, I also do not mind the set sexuality setup and can understand why it is there.

 

Maybe I'll be surprised again like DA2. My canon is going to a male Hawke who romanced Fenris... Except I'm going to swap Fenris for Anders since Fenris was a "for science" romance.   Him and my Hawke just didn't feel right together, but it was still weird, because I knew from the get go that the Hawke I made was a gay man. No ifs, ands or buts. It wasn't a conscious decision either. It just was.

 

For some reason, this particular Hawke just struck a chord with me and I am incredibly fond of him.

[Corday]

How do you cut for spoilers in here?  Nvm, I got it!

 

Did anybody see this from gameinformer?

 

Spoiler

"Dragon Age fans already know about the breach in the sky. It is a giant tear that opens up into the Fade, the realm from which magic and demons originate. However, the trailer reveals that circumstances surrounding its appearance are catastrophic. Not only are thousands of people killed – they are thousands of important people. The blast accompanying the breach’s opening occurs during peace talks between the mages and the Chantry, so it takes out some key players. “The very highest level of both the Chantry and the mages were at these peace talks,” Lee says. “And they’re all dead. Those two factions are absolutely in chaos. Essentially, the head has been cut off of both groups.”

 

 

[Ryzaki]

How do you cut for spoilers in here?

 

just type

 

[spoiler*]inserttexthere[/spoiler*]

 

Remove the stars

[JerHopp]

So I come online, see this link:

 

http://www.ausgamers...ntation-bioware

 

Bioware isn't going for the DA2 approach anymore but romances will be more along the lines of DA:Origins? (meaning: set sexual orientation: Is this correct? Oh oh, I'm trying to be positive about Cullen being BI, but i'm not going to lie. With this new article it is challenging..

 

"The romances are more complex both in type of romances going forward and how you go through that romance," Lee explained to us. "The different types of sexual orientation of the different kinds of characters around you is also more complex than in previous games. I think there's going to be a lot more realistic... realistic... you know what I mean -- anyway, more engaging and more involved than in previous games. That's definitely the goal, and we are definitely going to go out there with some characters just being one sexual orientation. And that previously wasn't the case. The real world reflects that so we're going to make a game that reflects that as well."

 

Bolded part: Really? The argument "real world reflects" is mentioned? With the years I've been here on the BSN, I've read a lot of heated discussions in the DA2 forum about using real world arguments in a fantasy game about romances. "it isn't real world" " there are dragons and magic etc" and now this term is used by Bioware to justify the choice of set orientations? Ouch! I did not expect that coming from a developer tbh.

[The Elder King]

Yeah Cass strikes me as being a likely option for our bisexual romance, or possibly even our gay one. Sure, there might be some backlash from those who'd want to romance her with a male Inquisitor, but I have the suspicion that she'll be very hard to romance either way. Cass strikes me as so focused on her job that she's views romance as a distraction at best and a liability at worst.
 
As for Cullen, yeah I could see him as being a bisexual romance as well. They handled it with Kaidan fairly well in ME3 and he was someone we had as a previous companion, but Cullen's been a minor character we know very little about and had little interaction with.

Cassandra canonically shown attraction to a male character (DotS). i really doubt she won't be available to male PC. It'd be the same as shown Cullen as homosexual (though I personally don't care either way).

[Jean]

Maker almighty, what did I miss? Did more info happen after the Gameplay Trailer come out or something?

There is this interview Cam did: http://www.ausgamers...es/read/3432915

 

The Inquisition has three main pillars right, they have a military force lead by one particular character, you've got a secret facet with spies and assassins lead by Leliana from DAO and then you've got a political pillar, which is all about the politics, the backroom deals and the connections you have... not just through nobles but also through merchant houses and stuff like that. And the area you decide to invest in both in terms of how you decide to grow and customise your Inquisition but also the types of content you decide to engage in is all up to the player.

[The Elder King]

So I come online, see this link:
 
http://www.ausgamers...ntation-bioware
 
Bioware isn't going for the DA2 approach anymore but romances will be more along the lines of DA:Origins? Is this correct? Oh oh, I'm trying to be positive about Cullen being BI, but i'm not going to lie. With this new article it is challenging..
 
"The romances are more complex both in type of romances going forward and how you go through that romance," Lee explained to us. "The different types of sexual orientation of the different kinds of characters around you is also more complex than in previous games. I think there's going to be a lot more realistic... realistic... you know what I mean -- anyway, more engaging and more involved than in previous games. That's definitely the goal, and we are definitely going to go out there with some characters just being one sexual orientation. And that previously wasn't the case. The real world reflects that so we're going to make a game that reflects that as well."
 
Bolded part: Really? The argument "real world reflects" is mentioned? With the years I've been here on the BSN, I've read a lot of heated discussions in the DA2 forum about using real world arguments in a fantasy game about romances. "it isn't real world" " there are dragons and magic etc" and now this term is used by Bioware to justify the choice of set orientations? Ouch! I did not expect that coming from a developer tbh.

Returning to set sexualities doesn't mean DAO. I'd say they'd go to the 2/2/2 approach.
And I think Cullen will be BI in this case.

[The Elder King]

There is this interview Cam did: http://www.ausgamers...es/read/3432915
 
The Inquisition has three main pillars right, they have a military force lead by one particular character, you've got a secret facet with spies and assassins lead by Leliana from DAO and then you've got a political pillar, which is all about the politics, the backroom deals and the connections you have... not just through nobles but also through merchant houses and stuff like that. And the area you decide to invest in both in terms of how you decide to grow and customise your Inquisition but also the types of content you decide to engage in is all up to the player.

As expected, Cullen would be the military force leader.