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[LolaLei]

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Wait, really?  That makes no sense.  If you side with the Tempars, you should get the same if not more content, after all, he is an ex-Templar.  Is it just drama stuff, like waaa waaa waaaa you sided with the mages?  I mean, crap, my mage understands how dangerous mages are and agrees with his first comments about templars being able to suppress the breach better.  I'm boggled and would appreciate it if others chime in who have also been through this.

 

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Naw, he doesn't moan about it except once when you return from the mission and he asks what you were thinking by letting them join the Inquisition freely without anyone keeping an eye on them. Then you give your reasoning and he's fine with it. It seems there is no additional content with him for going pro-templar, which does seem kinda odd.

[riverbanks]

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What I didn't like is that it felt like his lyrium addiction was solved and over far too quickly, that's something that could've been an on-going issue throughout the game. I also felt that as sweet as his romance was it was too easy to win him over so fast, especially given the head mess he's supposed to be suffering with the lyrium thing etc. That being said, I felt that way about all the companions and the majority of the romances, everything happened far too quickly and was solved far too soon. Not enough content and interaction for a game that size.

 

Spoiler

Oh, I definitely agree that his lyrium arc was over too fast, and that it was way too easy to go from making him uncomfortable with a flirty joke to making him fall down at your feet. Everything felt kinda swept under the rug, like this romance had to be so fairy tale perfect that there was little room for conflict before it was swept away. He has a serious decade-spanning addiction, but he's alright now. He's shy, but then he's all over you. It was all a little too convenient, too drama-free. If that makes sense? Drama-free can be good for a change of pace (just look at the other three male love interests in this game, jeez), but his personal character arc with the lyrium should have been explored further than just a yes/no choice.

 

Still, I did love his romance scenes. The writing in them, the ambience, the adorable facial animations in both Cullen and the Inquisitor, Greg's top notch voice acting that made me almost cry at some points (like the prayer scene)... it was all so lovely. It's a weird feeling. I love it, but I don't. I think I just need more distance from it to appreciate the whole thing for what it was. Maker knows many of my first attempts at romancing some other favorite LIs have been colossal failures before, too.

[The Elder King]

On the spoiler discussion

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The problem is that if You side with the templar you get the quest for the Mage Lieutenant of Corypheus, Which (I think) involves Leliana. I don't understand Why they didn't provide alternate quests though.

[Tielis]

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Naw, he doesn't moan about it except once when you return from the mission and he asks what you were thinking by letting them join the Inquisition freely without anyone keeping an eye on them. Then you give your reasoning and he's fine with it. It seems there is no additional content with him for going pro-templar, which does seem kinda odd.

 

Spoiler

Thanks!  So what is ninetozero talking about, then?  Like I said, I plan to have my mage recruit the templars instead of the mages.  This means I'll miss out on side quests and/or cutscenes?

[Tielis]

On the spoiler discussion

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The problem is that if You side with the templar you get the quest for the Mage Lieutenant of Corypheus, Which (I think) involves Leliana. I don't understand Why they didn't provide alternate quests though.

 

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Oh, that.  Is it a long quest that gets cut out for Cullen, then, or just that one battle?  In my Solasmance game I sided with the mages and Cullen just tells me about Samson and I had to kill him, no big whoop.  So Samson is where if you side with the templars?

[riverbanks]

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Wait, really?  That makes no sense.  If you side with the Templars, you should get the same if not more content, after all, he is an ex-Templar.  Is it just drama stuff, like waaa waaa waaaa you sided with the mages?  I mean, crap, my mage understands how dangerous mages are and agrees with his first comments about templars being able to suppress the breach better.  I'm boggled and would appreciate it if others chime in who have also been through this.

 

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He actually is pretty anti-Templar, which is another thing that bothered me. Much of his dialogue is him disavowing the Order even after you have recruited them and vowed to reform the Templars into something better, to return them to their right path. At a certain point it got pretty awkward because all I had to talk to him about was how much he hated the Templars, it sounded like we were having a relationship crisis without any romance content involved. It was pretty disheartening, considering I had hoped he would be the neutral party, the voice of reason, not another voice harping on how terrible and irredeeemable the Templars are.

 

Actually, now I'm really curious. Is there a place I can see the ideal world state and choices to get the most out of Cullen's content? Where would I find that?

 

Pretty much, be a mage, side with the mages, and import a mage Warden. Those are the things that change his content the most.

[KyndredRaven]

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He actually is pretty anti-Templar, which is another thing that bothered me. Much of his dialogue is him disavowing the Order even after you have recruited them and vowed to reform the Templars into something better, to return them to their right path. At a certain point it got pretty awkward because all I had to talk to him about was how much he hated the Templars, it sounded like we were having a relationship crisis without any romance content involved. It was pretty disheartening, considering I had hoped he would be the neutral party, the voice of reason, not another voice harping on how terrible and irredeeemable the Templars are.

 

 

Pretty much, be a mage, side with the mages, and import a mage Warden. Those are the things that change his content the most.

 

-I'm a mage and I just started the Templar quest because I thought it would affect him the most. When you say "side with the mages", do you mean 

 

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form an alliance with them and let them govern themselves?

 

A little worried about missing something with him this second playthrough

[LolaLei]

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Oh, I definitely agree that his lyrium arc was over too fast, and that it was way too easy to go from making him uncomfortable with a flirty joke to making him fall down at your feet. Everything felt kinda swept under the rug, like this romance had to be so fairy tale perfect that there was little room for conflict before it was swept away. He has a serious decade-spanning addiction, but he's alright now. He's shy, but then he's all over you. It was all a little too convenient, too drama-free. If that makes sense? Drama-free can be good for a change of pace (just look at the other three male love interests in this game, jeez), but his personal character arc with the lyrium should have been explored further than just a yes/no choice.

 

Still, I did love his romance scenes. The writing in them, the ambience, the adorable facial animations in both Cullen and the Inquisitor, Greg's top notch voice acting that made me almost cry at some points (like the prayer scene)... it was all so lovely. It's a weird feeling. I love it, but I don't. I think I just need more distance from it to appreciate the whole thing for what it was. Maker knows many of my first attempts at romancing some other favorite LIs have been colossal failures before, too.

 

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On the one hand I love that his romance is so sweet and tender because it's so drastically different to his life so far, so in that regard it works very well because he's finally found something in his life that isn't difficult or full of problems. However, it's his main story arc that falls flat, which leads to the romance feeling cheapened. The lyrium addiction should have been a real problem for him throughout, that in itself brings angst across the board making the support he gets from the Inquisitor feel more poignant because he no longer has to struggle alone (be it just as his friend or his lover).

 

I also feel like they really missed a trick by having that Fade wound completely stabilise the minute we stabilised the breach. Had it just slowed down the effects of it killing him/her it would've added a more personal reason to kill Corypheus even after successfully closing the breach. I mean, knowing that you're effectively dying throughout the game could've had you approach romances in so many different ways. From "f*ck it i'm dying, so I'm gonna have some fun!" To "I don't want to get too attached because I could end up dead if I don't find a way to stop it's effects" and so on. Imagine how devastated Cullen would have been to learn that the woman he loves is dying, or Iron Bull desperately trying not to fall for the Inquisitor knowing that he could lose him/her etc.

 

Such a missed opportunity.

[FFZero]

It just suprises and worries me how unknowing they seem to be on bugs, same thing with text issue. But good that they are properly investigating now.

As a game developer I can say it is very easy for bugs like this to slip through the net, especially in the final few weeks of development. Everything is crazy in a studio during that time and most people are absolutely exhausted so we sometimes end up missing things or we think that problem X will be fixed in the next build.

 

Plus you can't always reliably recreate bugs that pop up in some peoples playthroughs post-release due to multiple reasons. On PC those reasons can be different hardware configurations messing things up, software running in the background that can potentially interfere etc. On consoles it can be firmware updates causing issues since dev's get firmware updates at the exact same time as consumers. Then of course there's the matter of prioritizing. Long story short if it doesn't break the game or it's going to be a quick and easy fix (which it never is...) leave it until the first patch because there simply will not be enough time to fix everything without running the dev team into the ground.  

[LolaLei]

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Thanks!  So what is ninetozero talking about, then?  Like I said, I plan to have my mage recruit the templars instead of the mages.  This means I'll miss out on side quests and/or cutscenes?

 

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Cullen's personal quest where you hunt down Samson doesn't happen if you go pro-templar, or you only get a small part of it. Also, it seems that if you aren't a mage you don't get certain conversations or something.

[Adela]

It's probably not the same thing since we did very different playthroughs, and I think you played the "right" way whereas I played the "wrong" way for his romance... and that's exactly what disappointed me - that

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there is a right and a wrong way to romance Cullen.

 

I had expected the romance to be slightly different if you played mage, if you sided mage. That's totally valid, it should be different, it should account for the universe it happens in. Like the Fenris or Alistair romances had a different undertone if you romanced them mage or not, but they weren't completely different, you know? There were good variations, unique conversations here and there, but at the end of the day, you got the same romance content regardless of how you went about it.

 

What I did not expect was that entire chunks of Cullen's romance content would be taken away from me because of those things. I did not get his nemesis quest, which prevented me from seeing all his additional character arc and romance content there. I barely got to ask much about his past, or his opinions on anything, he had only the most superficial things to say to a non-mage and then he would change the subject. There's so many little things. The more I go through FluffyNinja's "ideal" playthrough on YouTube and see all this lovely romance content I was never even shown in my own playthrough because I either picked the wrong class or the wrong alliance or the wrong world state for it, the more my own romance sours to me, because it feels so incomplete. 

 

Don't get me wrong, what I did get of his romance was perfection. But I got so little of it that I can't help but feel short-changed. It seems like his romance was written for one very specific type of player, and since I'm not the target audience I don't deserve the full experience, I only get the scraps of what was left once everything else was gated out. The content I did get was perfect, but honestly, it felt even shorter and shallower than Sebastian's romance arc. If you think you got too little romance content from mage-side, imagine that cut in half and trimmed out at the edges, and that's what I got.

 

I just... don't understand why it had to be written this way. Why every player couldn't get the same out of his romance, or at least equivalent content. I get content-gating that makes you wanna play the game again to see what's on the other side, but romance should not be treated like that. You shouldn't get a second-rate version of a romance for not being the "ideal audience" for it. It's just... so disappointing that the one thing I was looking forward to the most in this game is what left me the most underwhelmed about it. High expectations, and such. I will romance Cullen again, with a mage who conscripts the mages this time, if that's what I must do to see the full extent of his character arc and romance. But I shouldn't have to. Not when his romance is already gated enough as it is. I'd rather he had just been fully gated to female human and elven mages, then, if anything else would yield only the most insipid barebones content possible. It would have been more honest.

 

So that has kind of soured the whole experience for me to the point that I felt nothing at the epilogue, lovely as it was, because I was so done with my "ideal playthrough" getting short-changed on just about every front (like I mentioned with Alistair and my Warden the other day). I want to be ecstatic about how good the romance I got was, but right now I'm just bitter and buttsore about everything, lol. I may roll an angry ruthless qunari romancing Blackwall now to wash this bitter taste off my mouth with enough in-game violence, clear off my head from this let down without the risk of falling for Cullen's irrestible charm and sweetness again for a bit.

 

To top it off I somehow ended up getting Vivienne as the Divine despite aggressively campaigning for Cassandra, so I'm ready to consider this save a pile of steaming trash and just nuke it from orbit. Good times!

 

Anyway, that's enough ranting. I actually think I'll fire up DAO and DA2 and replay my Alistair and Sebastian romance scenes to cheer myself up before I have another go at DAI again.

 

 

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Really? Man, that sucks! I'd read that you get barely any of his Samson quest by going pro-templar but I wasn't sure if that was a glitch, or it played out differently but was easy to miss etc. They promised we wouldn't get locked out of character content regardless of our choices, but clearly that was just more marketing bollocks. I also had no idea that not romancing him with a mage would also cut out so much, I assumed it would be much the same just without the magic aspect potentially being a problem.

 

What I didn't like is that it felt like his lyrium addiction was solved and over far too quickly, that's something that could've been an on-going issue throughout the game. I also felt that as sweet as his romance was it was too easy to win him over so fast, especially given the head mess he's supposed to be suffering with the lyrium thing etc. That being said, I felt that way about all the companions and the majority of the romances, everything happened far too quickly and was solved far too soon. Not enough content and interaction for a game that size.

 

Another prime example was the Bianca/Varric thing. That was such an anti-climax!

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Umm i played as a human rogue and sided with the templars and other then not having a couple of extra lines by being a mage or get that one extra mission with Samson if you sided with the mages the romance was pretty much the same... are you sure you clicked the heart icon every chance you got?

[The Elder King]

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Oh, that.  Is it a long quest that gets cut out for Cullen, then, or just that one battle?  In my Solasmance game I sided with the mages and Cullen just tells me about Samson and I had to kill him, no big whoop.  So Samson is where if you side with the templars?

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Samson is the Lieutenant only if You sided with the mages. His quest should span different regions from what I see, but I don't know how big the story part is or if if adds new dialogues.

@ninetozero

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that's weird. Though it's interesting to know his only reason to support them early on was his opinion on their abilities.

[Chanda]

Does anyone know how to fix a save game file or character file so that you can use the same face settings from one character for another character? I want to try playing as a human mage, but I want the same face and I'm not sure on everything that I changed and altered, it never works out right. And I've spent something like FIVE HOURS trying to get it right!

[riverbanks]

-I'm a mage and I just started the Templar quest because I thought it would affect him the most. When you say "side with the mages", do you mean 

 

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form an alliance with them and let them govern themselves?

 

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It doesn't. You get a completely different nemesis quest headed by Leliana, Samson becomes a war table mission, and Cullen disses on the Order a lot, even as he still has to command them. I think the whole positioning of the nemesis quests is wrong - Cullen should have had taken personal issue with eliminating the Red Templars from the Templar side, and Leliana should have taken personal issue with stopping the dangerous Tevinter mage from the mage side. Their motivations feel all backwards as it stands now.

 

I assume it makes no difference whether you side with the mages or conscript them? At least I hope not, because conscripting the mages is as far as I'll go for him. Backing up Fiona... not even for Cullen.

 

@ninetozero

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that's weird. Though it's interesting to know his only reason to support them early on was his opinion on their abilities.

 

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Well, in pretty much all of the war table missions involving mages, magisters, maleficar etc his suggestion is always "throw more Templars at it," so at least he still recognizes their worth as a field asset, I guess.

[Monica21]

Okay, I'm confused.

 

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I'm playing a rogue and just chose the Templars. Is it the Templar choice you make that determines the lyrium personal quest, or is it your class? I actually already did both In Hushed Whispers and Champions of the Just so I can reload and start at the end of In Hushed Whispers, but I want to make sure I get the content.

[KyndredRaven]

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It doesn't. You get a completely different nemesis quest headed by Leliana, Samson becomes a war table mission, and Cullen disses on the Order a lot, even as he still has to command them. I think the whole positioning of the nemesis quests is wrong - Cullen should have had taken personal issue with eliminating the Red Templars from the Templar side, and Leliana should have taken personal issue with stopping the dangerous Tevinter mage from the mage side. Their motivations feel all backwards as it stands now.

 

I assume it makes no difference whether you side with the mages or conscript them? At least I hope not, because conscripting the mages is as far as I'll go for him. Backing up Fiona... not even for Cullen.

 

 

 

Ok, so I need to do the mage quest. I did it last playthrough, but I didn't get any sort of quest from Cullen. Maybe I need to conscript them, then? I let them govern themselves.

[riverbanks]

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I also feel like they really missed a trick by having that Fade wound completely stabilise the minute we stabilised the breach. Had it just slowed down the effects of it killing him/her it would've added a more personal reason to kill Corypheus even after successfully closing the breach. I mean, knowing that you're effectively dying throughout the game could've had you approach romances in so many different ways. From "f*ck it i'm dying, so I'm gonna have some fun!" To "I don't want to get too attached because I could end up dead if I don't find a way to stop it's effects" and so on. Imagine how devastated Cullen would have been to learn that the woman he loves is dying, or Iron Bull desperately trying not to fall for the Inquisitor knowing that he could lose him/her etc.

 

Such a missed opportunity.

 

(endgame stuff)

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That was an issue I had with the main quest, too. The Fade wound had no gravitas, no weight behind it. It was shiny, it was useful, it wasn't killing you or doing any harm... there was literally no drawback to being burned by ultimate power of ultimate gods. It was just... a shiny hand.

 

This is probably product of too much speculation and hyping, but I was really expecting something like, every time the Inquisitor closed a rifts she'd have to sacrifice some of herself, either her health or a memory or a piece of her soul... I don't know, anything to make the rifts a serious threat, to make the Inquisitor's journey actually dramatic and full of difficulty choices. It seems like such a missed opportunity for a tragic hero, struggling with responsibility and duty and personal sacrifice. Alas.

 

Just the thought of Cullen dealing with all that pressure of potentially losing the Inquisitor to the greater good kills me. How desperate the poor thing was in that prayer scene, "I must send you to him." So much potential!

[Tishina]

Since I haven't actually played, it's hard to put a finger on the amount of content for the romance, and I'm just speculating.

 

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Admittedly, I watched one that was apparently ideal, and while it seemed a little shorter than I'd hoped, it certainly seemed to have more content than a lot of DAO romances, and more than I've been able to find for several other DAI romances. But if the game has several times as much overall content, but the companion and romance content was only increased slightly, maybe that's why if feels shortchanged to some people?

 

I'm not sure they consider the lyrium problem solved completely solved - there were three conversations which presumably they meant led to an addiction crisis point, but still a mention when he had a nightmare on the morning after suggesting he still has some struggle with it? But a bit more on either that or his trauma in Fereldan would have made sense.

[riverbanks]

Okay, I'm confused.

 

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I'm playing a rogue and just chose the Templars. Is it the Templar choice you make that determines the lyrium personal quest, or is it your class? I actually already did both In Hushed Whispers and Champions of the Just so I can reload and start at the end of In Hushed Whispers, but I want to make sure I get the content.

 

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You'll always get his personal quest that deals with his lyrium addiction, no matter who you side with. The extra quest you get from Cullen from the mage side is his nemesis quest, to hunt down Samson and the Red Templars. If you go Templar-side, you get Leliana sending you to hunt down a Calpernia and the venatori mages. But the lyrium one is universal.

[Monica21]

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You'll always get his personal quest that deals with his lyrium addiction, no matter who you side with. The extra quest you get from Cullen from the mage side is his nemesis quest, to hunt down Samson and the Red Templars. If you go Templar-side, you get Leliana sending you to hunt down a Calpernia and the venatori mages. But the lyrium one is universal.

 

Ah.

Spoiler

So I'll need to go back and side with the mages to get that quest. It doesn't matter if I conscript them or not?

[Adela]

So i dont get it what exactly is the "ideal"  romance for him?

 

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That he gets to mention Amell ? That you get 2-3 extra lines if you are a mage or that you get one extra quest if you side with the mages?


Overall i think his romance was pretty nice I didn't really expect much from it since him and Solas were added in late so by that fact alone i wasn't expecting anything too grant to begin with

[Tielis]

Ah.

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So I'll need to go back and side with the mages to get that quest. It doesn't matter if I conscript them or not?

 

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Honestly, it didn't seem a big deal at all for me, just another mob to kill.  But then again, I wasn't romancing Cullen at the time.  I guess you'll have to decide which is more important, how your character feels about mages or whether you really want to do that quest.

[riverbanks]

So i dont get it what exactly is the "ideal"  romance for him?

 

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That he gets to mention Amell ? That you get 2-3 extra lines if you are a mage or that you get one extra quest if you side with the mages?


Overall i think his romance was pretty nice I didn't really expect much from it since him and Solas were added in late so by that fact alone i wasn't expecting anything too grant to begin with

 

As I said, it's a lot of little things. I felt personally majorly let down, mostly by own high expectations of how Cullen's whole personality would play out coming out of DA2, but of course it won't feel the same way to everyone. I'm honestly glad you (and probably many others) still enjoyed it from the Templar-side, even if I didn't.

 

eta: actually, I did. I loved his romance. I wish I could have loved it more. Like I said in an earlier post, I'm in a weird state of loving the romance, except not. Right now I need some distance to look at it again through a less jaded lens, but I still appreciate everything I did get out of this romance. It was less than I wanted, but more than I could have imagined.

[riverbanks]

I see you R2, stealth-liking stuff from the shadows. Go back to kissing Cullen in the battlements, you, there's a bunch of spoilery stuff going on in the past couple pages.

[Adela]

As I said, it's a lot of little things. I felt personally majorly let down, mostly by own high expectations of how Cullen's whole personality would play out coming out of DA2, but of course it won't feel the same way to everyone. I'm honestly glad you (and probably many others) still enjoyed it from the Templar-side, even if I didn't.

 

eta: actually, I did. I loved his romance. I wish I could have loved it more. Like I said in an earlier post, I'm in a weird state of loving the romance, except not. Right now I need some distance to look at it again through a less jaded lens, but I still appreciate everything I did get out of this romance. It was less than I wanted, but more than I could have imagined.

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Sorry i haven't read your other posts, but when u say "coming out from DA2" do u mean u still kind of expected him to be on lyrium and not be so.... "sane" ? O do u wanted him to talk more about it.. because if the later is the case then i agree it did felt short on that subject....

Did you wanted more drama instead of all "mushy lovey dovey" stuff?

I kinda of agree in a way that if you are playing as a mage you could get some special scenes instead of a couple of lines of acknowledgment that you are a mage... but i think if they were to do that then ppl may have thought that they might be "forced" to play as such just to get extra content... witch in a way still kind of happen but for me it didn't feel like i've missed that much... but that's just me tho.. sorry that  the romance wasn't what you have expected... i think most of us  thought of different things that wished  that it was in the game... but at least some of them made it through...