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[Renmiri1]

Who wanted to avoid grinding on DAI ?

 

 

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[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

So, I am playing a rogue and I am wondering if there is any non-mage specific dialogue when in a relationship with Cullen because it sounds like everything is the same for each class including the the small amount of dialogue about the Inquisitor being a noble which I though was odd for the mage to have as well since they give up all titles once they join a circle. I know being a mage gets you some mage-specific dialogue, but nothing for the other classes? 

[Kaibe]

So, I am playing a rogue and I am wondering if there is any non-mage specific dialogue when in a relationship with Cullen because it sounds like everything is the same for each class including the the small amount of dialogue about the Inquisitor being a noble which I though was odd for the mage to have as well since they give up all titles once they join a circle. I know being a mage gets you some mage-specific dialogue, but nothing for the other classes?

I've seen nothing sadly.

[riverbanks]

...and Varric continues to hate on my church husbando.

 

Spoiler

Varric: You remind me of someone. Pious bastard. Wore blinding white armor. Told me my shots veered left.

Blackwall: I can see how that describes me perfectly.

Varric: It's just that niceness, he was just sooo.... nice.

Blackwall: Nice. Right. I take it you didn't like this person.

Varric: Sebastian would have taken that as a compliment.

 

My Hawke and I take it as a compliment too, Varric.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

I've seen nothing sadly.

 

Oh, well that kind of sucks. Maybe the mage getting the noble dialogue was an oversight or something. Is there a lot more dialogue for a mage? I doubt I will ever romance him with one but I am nosy. 

[witchknights]

there's a fair bit, actually. in the confession scene and the gift-giving one especially.

[riverbanks]

it sounds like everything is the same for each class including the the small amount of dialogue about the Inquisitor being a noble which I though was odd for the mage to have as well since they give up all titles once they join a circle

 

I still think / want to believe that the noble conversation is bugged and was supposed to be exclusive to non-mage Trevelyans. Not just for fairness, but because it makes no sense for a mage Warden to have those lines, even if she's not in the Circle anymore that still doesn't give her nobility status back.

 

Other than that, no, there's no equivalent unique content for non-mages. :\

 

eta: ah, ninja'd.

[CuriousArtemis]

I think they were a bit shoddy with the dialogue options all the way around. Not that the writers and editors didn't work hard but just that a LOT slipped through that makes no sense.

[frylock23]

@ Sephirona, I actually think the Dorian story might have worked better if he had been married to a woman who would NOT let him be who he was, so in effect, instead of running from his father, he was running from his wife of convenience. The way things work in Tevinter, he could have been married/betrothed at an extremely young age. Then, he still could have been making his stand, and you might even have had the angle of working in trying to convince his parents that it would be better for him to be left alone to be as he is - in other words, work to get them on his side instead of the wife's. Divorce was also common in Rome. There might even have been potential intrigue or even violence from her if you played it wrong.

 

I just think the story runs a little too close to modern Western cultural expectations to fit Thedas as I understand the lore as it is, but it's very close.

 

It's just like I have some small problems with the way Leliana's crisis of faith was handled. She reacted as if the Maker in Thedas has been portrayed the same way that we think of the Christian God, and she used the same argument we hear time and time again - How dare He let good things happen to bad people? Well OK, except that the Maker of Thedas has been portrayed as an essentially disinterested god who turned his back on his creation when the magisters broke into the Black City ... so why would Leliana expect him to care what happens to anyone? The entire point to the Andrastian faith as sold by the Chantry is that people have to just be good enough to catch the Maker's attention and draw it back to creation like Andraste did.

 

That's a very different idea than the one sold in Christianity and Leliana shouldn't be using modern world crisis of faith arguments in Thedas.

 

But maybe after earning a degree in literature and spending time studying story consistency and things like that (not to mention being an editor), I expect too much.

[Tishina]

Oh, well that kind of sucks. Maybe the mage getting the noble dialogue was an oversight or something. Is there a lot more dialogue for a mage? I doubt I will ever romance him with one but I am nosy. 

I think it's more that you get extra options at times, but most of the time, if you pick it, you don't get to go back and pick one of the others too. There are a couple of exceptions, I think. And the noble dialogue for the mages almost has to have been an oversight, it makes no sense otherwise.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

there's a fair bit, actually. in the confession scene and the gift-giving one especially.

 

I still think / want to believe that the noble conversation is bugged and was supposed to be exclusive to non-mage Trevelyans. Not just for fairness, but because it makes no sense for a mage Warden to have those lines, even if she's not in the Circle anymore that still doesn't give her nobility status back.

 

Other than that, no, there's no equivalent unique content for non-mages. :\

 

eta: ah, ninja'd.

 

Gah, now I feel totally cheated! And yeah, it makes no sense for a mage inquisitor to have the noble dialogue. I will rectify this when I write my fiction. 

[CuriousArtemis]

So is Dorian's thing only that he didn't want to be married because he was gay? I sadly never got his personal quest

 

Cause I mean there are probably sh!t tons of Tevinter women who get shuffled off into loveless marriages, too lol Well at least in the "magical" classes.

 

Hell we even had a loveless marriage in DAO that we could be part off. Of course it wasn't so bad because we were manipulating the guy into doing it instead of the girl. 

 

And of course there's the DR with Alistair x Morrigan which is pretty awful when you think about it...

 

BioWare loves this theme lol

[wiccame]

Gah, now I feel totally cheated! And yeah, it makes no sense for a mage inquisitor to have the noble dialogue. I will rectify this when I write my fiction. 

I just head-canoned that as all mages had rebelled and the circles had fell she reclaimed her title and status. 

[CuriousArtemis]

That's a very different idea than the one sold in Christianity and Leliana shouldn't be using modern world crisis of faith arguments in Thedas.

 

But maybe after earning a degree in literature and spending time studying story consistency and things like that (not to mention being an editor), I expect too much.

 

Nah there's some pretty lazy fantasy world-building in this series. Not Game of Thrones level of laziness, but it's there nonetheless

[Annarl]

I just head-canoned that as all mages had rebelled and the circles had fell she reclaimed her title and status. 

 

What is the policy in the Free Marches? Is it more liberal than other areas when it comes down to mages, titles and the Circle?

 

Or maybe I should ask, could it be more liberal?

[frylock23]

Yeah basically that was it. He didn't want to be married because he is gay and in Tevinter they are expected to marry and produce children because the mage classes especially are under pressure to breed better mages and Dorian is quite high class.

 

So even though he could have found an accommodating woman of the proper blood and 'done his duty' and they both then could have enjoyed loving whomever they both chose, he put his foot down and that's where the side quest came in. You have to resolve his family spat. As far as that goes it's fine. I just think they could have worked the themes in and fit the game world a little better in doing it.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

So is Dorian's thing only that he didn't want to be married because he was gay? I sadly never got his personal quest

 

Cause I mean there are probably sh!t tons of Tevinter women who get shuffled off into loveless marriages, too lol Well at least in the "magical" classes.

 

Hell we even had a loveless marriage in DAO that we could be part off. Of course it wasn't so bad because we were manipulating the guy into doing it instead of the girl. 

 

And of course there's the DR with Alistair x Morrigan which is pretty awful when you think about it...

 

BioWare loves this theme lol

 

Ummm, there is a lot more to it than that. I can tell you if you want and don't mind being spoiled on it.

[wiccame]

What is the policy in the Free Marches? Is it more liberal than other areas when it comes down to mages, titles and the Circle?

 

Or maybe I should ask, could it be more liberal?

Well a mage Hawke can become viscount in Kirkwall and is considered noble when he/she takes the mansion back so...maybe?

[Penguin]

Gah, now I feel totally cheated! And yeah, it makes no sense for a mage inquisitor to have the noble dialogue. I will rectify this when I write my fiction. 

I thought it's weird first that a Mage have noble conversation choice. But since you can say that you keep in touch with your family and occasionally go home for social events before the Mage rebellion, I think maybe it is more about social connection than title. As in, you still have influence through your family. That's my understanding anyhow.

[Tishina]

@ Sephirona, I actually think the Dorian story might have worked better if he had been married to a woman who would NOT let him be who he was, so in effect, instead of running from his father, he was running from his wife of convenience. The way things work in Tevinter, he could have been married/betrothed at an extremely young age. Then, he still could have been making his stand, and you might even have had the angle of working in trying to convince his parents that it would be better for him to be left alone to be as he is - in other words, work to get them on his side instead of the wife's. Divorce was also common in Rome. There might even have been potential intrigue or even violence from her if you played it wrong.

 

I just think the story runs a little too close to modern Western cultural expectations to fit Thedas as I understand the lore as it is, but it's very close.

 

It's just like I have some small problems with the way Leliana's crisis of faith was handled. She reacted as if the Maker in Thedas has been portrayed the same way that we think of the Christian God, and she used the same argument we hear time and time again - How dare He let good things happen to bad people? Well OK, except that the Maker of Thedas has been portrayed as an essentially disinterested god who turned his back on his creation when the magisters broke into the Black City ... so why would Leliana expect him to care what happens to anyone? The entire point to the Andrastian faith as sold by the Chantry is that people have to just be good enough to catch the Maker's attention and draw it back to creation like Andraste did.

 

That's a very different idea than the one sold in Christianity and Leliana shouldn't be using modern world crisis of faith arguments in Thedas.

 

But maybe after earning a degree in literature and spending time studying story consistency and things like that (not to mention being an editor), I expect too much.

I think you may be overlooking the fact that you're fairly cheerfully saying someone who's gay should be willing to have heterosexual sex because it's a duty. And it was not that uncommon, historically, to find people who either refused to marry or married but the marriage went unconsummated. There's nothing to suggest that they're using Roman marriage customs in Tevinter (which weren't uniform or fixed over time either). Frankly I also haven't seen anything in the game that suggests that either chantry allows marriage before a reasonable age of consent. I think they wrote the story they wanted to explore, and while they may draw on real world cultures to an extent, they are using them within a completely different world with different religions and some very different mindsets about some things (not to mention magic). I also frankly think the story they wrote is one that many people will really connect to and love.

[riverbanks]

I just head-canoned that as all mages had rebelled and the circles had fell she reclaimed her title and status. 

 

Doesn't really work like that. She can't claim noble status, because the Chantry doesn't permit that. Since the Circles are gone, she's actually officially considered just an apostate, as are all the other mages.

[Ryriena]

Spoiler

Yeah his father tried to mind control him using blood magic that's why he left and that's not a normal family spat.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

Well a mage Hawke can become viscount in Kirkwall and is considered noble when he/she takes the mansion back so...maybe?

 

I think Hawke is an exception. It wasn't widely known that they were a mage until after they had gained their title and saved the entire city from a qunari invasion. I think by then there was nothing Meredith could do to stop Hawke climbing the social ladder. I think mages holding onto their title goes against the whole "mages should serve men, not rule over them," thing as to why they are made to give all rights up once they come into their powers and go to a circle.   

[Ryriena]

Doesn't really work like that. She can't claim noble status, because the Chantry doesn't permit that. Since the Circles are gone, she's actually officially considered just an apostate, as are all the other mages.

Hey bioware can't even keep their own lore straight since a Mage Hawke can become a Viscount in DA2 only if you side with templars though which I never did in the game.

[wiccame]

Doesn't really work like that. She can't claim noble status, because the Chantry doesn't permit that. Since the Circles are gone, she's actually officially considered just an apostate, as are all the other mages.

Yeah that's true. Maybe not officially claim then but just re-asserting herself back into the family.