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[Tishina]

Did my Dalish inquisitor seriously just ask Morrigan who Mythal was..................................

*snort* Really?? That's not exactly obscure Dalish lore, that would be like a human raised in the Chantry asking who the Maker is.

[Chrys]

*snort* Really?? That's not exactly obscure Dalish lore, that would be like a human raised in the Chantry asking who the Maker is.

 

Yeah. They should have found a better way to clue in all the players who wouldn't know the lore their characters would. But if I recall correctly it's an investigative, optional question.

[CuriousArtemis]

*snort* Really?? That's not exactly obscure Dalish lore, that would be like a human raised in the Chantry asking who the Maker is.

 

No kidding; I can even hear Merrill in my head using her name as a curse!

[CuriousArtemis]

Aaaaand my computer just shut down during the Temple of Mythal cut scene. WTF.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

Yeah. They should have found a better way to clue in all the players who wouldn't know the lore their characters would. But if I recall correctly it's an investigative, optional question.

 

Yeah, there are a lot of optional questions that I don't bother asking as to why they are optional I guess. They knew that not everyone would have to ask. talking to Krem comes to mind. There are plenty of questions that I didn't ask him because my Inquisitor just accepted him for who he was so why pry when she wasn't curious? 

[Tishina]

Yeah. They should have found a better way to clue in all the players who wouldn't know the lore their characters would. But if I recall correctly it's an investigative, optional question.

Like simply phrasing it as "Morrigan, what do you know about Mythal?"

[Basement Cat]

*snort* Really?? That's not exactly obscure Dalish lore, that would be like a human raised in the Chantry asking who the Maker is.

That reminds me of Spoony's review of Ultima 9. 'The Codex of Ultimate Wisdom? This is like the Pope asking what the effing Bible is!' Ahh, good times.

[CuriousArtemis]

Like simply phrasing it as "Morrigan, what do you know about Mythal?"

 

Or, "Why is there a Temple to Mythal out here?"

 

Or really anything except "What is that?" LOL

[Monica21]

Spoilered just in case...........

 

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I high five you on this! I regret going back and siding with the mages to get Cullen's extra quest. I wish I had stuck with siding with the templars. It all feels completely off. This is not how I intended to role-play for this particular character, the only one I intend to romance Cullen with. I honestly think he has enough past burdens and I don't feel the need for that to be added to in my game. Plus, it just goes against my character, siding with the mages. I am already head-cannoning that this decision is something she agonizes over and continually asks herself if she has made the right one because she is horrified to see what has become of the templars. It is almost a bitter feeling for her, that she took the time to save a group that stupidly sold themselves into venatori servitude and then to see the people that she had originally intended to ask for help be turned into monsters. Is isn't like she knows what would have happened to the mages if she hadn't gone to Redcliffe so when I head-cannon it is hard for her to get past all of this. I don't know, I guess I am stuck with it now, lol. I have restarted twice already and I am not doing so again.

 

I also love how much more 'light' his romance comes off when siding with the templars. We have seen this guy go through hell and back and it was really good to see him be able to start to work through it and just be happy that he has finally found someone that he deems worth holding onto, someone worth trying for. I like my happy laughing Cullen (I love how much you can get him to laugh), I like seeing him slowly letting everything go after all that he has gone through. There were two things I always hoped for: that he had a happy childhood and to see him start working through his lyrium addiction and what happened to him before the Inquisition. I have those and for me personally, the nemesis quest is added angst that I don't need and don't want to have to see Cullen go through more than he has already had to endure.

 

I really do commend Brianne, though. She was so thoughtful in his writing. To be able to make his romance so it was able to go in slightly different directions, although subtle, it is nice to see that everyone can be happy with it for different reasons. There is enough leeway to be able to interpret things differently. It is like she always had us in mind, knew that we all had personal preferences when it came to head-cannoning and worked out a way to not stomp all over that.  

 

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You both are doing a really good job of convincing me that my Templar playthrough was the "correct" playthrough. I know my second pt will be conscripting the mages, but really just to experience the difference. In addition to seeing the effect on Cullen. I really do like my current version of Cullen. I'm not sure that I'm ready for angst, if only because I, personally, don't want to deal with it. Even though the lyrium bit is fairly short, that's a big deal. I much prefer a Cullen who's moving past all of it, and all of it without you really knowing that that's what you're doing when you decide who to side with.

[Tishina]

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You both are doing a really good job of convincing me that my Templar playthrough was the "correct" playthrough. I know my second pt will be conscripting the mages, but really just to experience the difference. In addition to seeing the effect on Cullen. I really do like my current version of Cullen. I'm not sure that I'm ready for angst, if only because I, personally, don't want to deal with it. Even though the lyrium bit is fairly short, that's a big deal. I much prefer a Cullen who's moving past all of it, and all of it without you really knowing that that's what you're doing when you decide who to side with.

Actually

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they're convincing me I should do at least one pro-Templar run with a Cullen romance at some point, and I had mostly planned to be pro-Mage in all my PTs.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

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You both are doing a really good job of convincing me that my Templar playthrough was the "correct" playthrough. I know my second pt will be conscripting the mages, but really just to experience the difference. In addition to seeing the effect on Cullen. I really do like my current version of Cullen. I'm not sure that I'm ready for angst, if only because I, personally, don't want to deal with it. Even though the lyrium bit is fairly short, that's a big deal. I much prefer a Cullen who's moving past all of it, and all of it without you really knowing that that's what you're doing when you decide who to side with.

 

 

Actually

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they're convincing me I should do at least one pro-Templar run with a Cullen romance at some point, and I had mostly planned to be pro-Mage in all my PTs.

 

Haha, everyone is going to like different things but the templar play-through is more to my liking when it concerns romancing Cullen. I am starting to convince myself to trash this play-through and go back to siding with the templars.It is how I wanted to see Cullen, for me, it is perfect to my tastes. Just the right amount of angst, cuteness, humour and love. When you chuck in the added angst from his nemesis quest, for me personally, it is just that little bit unnecessary.  

[Sephirona]

Actually

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they're convincing me I should do at least one pro-Templar run with a Cullen romance at some point, and I had mostly planned to be pro-Mage in all my PTs.

 

Yeah I agree, I do want to do a pro-Templar playthrough at some point just to see the differences as well. Though honestly, I don't think choosing a pro-mage playthrough inherently means that I'm not allowing Cullen to move past what he's gone through.

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I think the things he deals with during the pro-mage playthrough allow him to confront his fears about corruption and possession more directly when he's bottled them up inside for so long (he admits to you during both playthroughs that he hadn't talked about it to anyone) and that is what I feel makes his future so much brighter. He's not going through the angst alone now, he's being guided through it by you. I also like the little moment during the Before the Dawn quest where you can compliment him on his efforts and he sounds genuinely shocked and thanks you. The way he appreciates your support and guidance throughout the relationship is something I find really touching, and I'm proud and grateful that I had the chance to help him confront and move past his fears so that the brighter future he's never dared think about will actually come to be.

[Basement Cat]

I was really surprised by Cullen in this game. I was pretty neutral on him, but he has some truly shining moments in this game. One that I particularly liked was a little conversation at the war table after the 'Wicked Eyes' quest. Leliana's ending words are gold!

[MelissaGT]

Hey guys, question for you. I'm currently almost done with my sword n' board Champion PT and I love her. She seems to fit well with Cullen, as I had it in my head that they would spar together. I want to play one of each class/sub-class, so how would you think a human two-handed Reaver would fit with him? 

 

I do plan on playing through with IB and Blackwall once, and I already have those laid out. The Cullen romance is by far my go-to though, lol.

 

I already played a human mage (knight enchanter) with Cullen and have a Dalish mage (rift mage) doing the same (to see any story differences). I have a Qunari archer that will be with Blackwall, and I will roll an assasin rogue for IB (not sure on race but it will be one that can't get ninja-manced by Cullen, lol).

[riverbanks]

Re. the mage/Templar stuff, I also think even the terms pro-Templar and pro-mage don't really apply to Inquisition anymore, as you can still be pretty anti-mage and/or anti-Templar while still recruiting that faction, if you want to. By conscripting the mages your character can (optionally) make a firm stance that they're not helping the rebellion but taking the rebels prisoner for it, and by disbanding the Templars your character can (optionally) state that they believe the Order is lost and needs to be extinguished. You don't necessarily have to agree with that faction to have a playthrough where you work with them.

 

Of course, you didn't necessarily have to agree with either the mages or Templars to side with them in Origins or DA2 either, but it was much more understated and went quickly into headcanon-land. This time you can go Templar-side or mage-side without being pro this or pro that, and you can actually say it out loud, I don't like any of this mess, but you lot are what I'm stuck with, so let's make this work. It's a good and refreshing change to let your character voice their/your frustration in-game, so you can experience the other faction's content without forcing yourself through a path you're not comfortable with, or taking it all into convoluted headcanon justifications. Evens the playing field for everyone.

[MacyNell]

LMAO, I totally didn't see him copping an eyeful! Genius! Also daaaaaaaaaayum! 

I watched that whole scene the first time w/ my jaw on the floor. Had not read about it, was not expecting it....     It was all I could do not to break my self-induced blackout right then to come here and dance around.  So. Much. Fun. 

[R2s Muse]

I can't quote everyone, but thank you all for sharing your thoughts on the two romance approaches. I'm feeling better about my pro templar PT. Because it was delightful. I'll explore his nemesis quest as his bro next round.

[SpiritMuse]

OMG I just got

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a scene with Cullen on the battlements and I am squealing embarrassingly hard for a woman my age (especially at almost midnight). At this rate I might not survive the actual romance.

And also I sent a (deliberately) less-than-coherent tweet to Greg and he favorited it wut. *ded* No reply though. O_o I have no idea.

*incoherent squeaking*

[Twilight_Princess]

in the modding thread I came across this it made me sad

1. Cullen's dance animation [Cut content]

 

 

I wonder if we will ever get to see it

 

Omigosh there was supposed to be more??? I'm hoping anything they had to cut might show up in DLC. I really hope they do a big expansion though, we need bigger missions to spend power points on. What I'd like to see

 

1. Something akin to Awakenings where we get a second smaller base to customize and have character cut-scenes in. Skyhold lite 

 

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2. Make up for the rushed feel of the ending by going up against something else that could result in actual losses (Awakenings) and feels just as dire as the breech plot-line. DAI was missing that desperate last push so that when we work hard for a happy ending it feels like it was earned. I loved DAI but sadly this was a flaw, Was hoping to use my allies in the final fight and make strategic decisions that had possible consequences. I'm hoping an expansion will make up for it. The twist ending hopefully means we'll be able to address important things later. Solas obviously. The "eternal servitude" issue if the Inquisitor drank from the well (yup I did XD)  What the Inquisition decides to do now etc

 

3. Expand on romances. Citadel was my absolute favorite DLC for a reason . Inquisition is in a rare position in terms of a love side-story. Unlike ME3 there's a possibility for an expansion that takes place after the main story and unlike Origins most likely won't take the protagonist away from her team. We had a sort-of engagement with Alistair but no wedding cut-scene (mods don't count ) Sebastian's wasn't on-screen either and was a chaste marriage (plus his romance was lack luster and barely there) . I've always wanted to see a proper engagement/wedding in a romance story and Cullen's could be perfect for it. It would be optional of course, Cullen could ask the Inquisitor how she felt about marriage and your reply would result in a proposal later on. It would be perfect!

 

4. More hair and more outfits. Hoping for a winter ball mark 2 where the Inquisitor can wear a dress this time *grumble*

 

5.

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Hero of Fereldan actual quest not 18 hours just to read a letter!!! I was so disappointed

 

6. Oh and a storage chest!

 

The game was stellar and I'm about to play again but it needs a meaty expansion and story DLC.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

Re. the mage/Templar stuff, I also think even the terms pro-Templar and pro-mage don't really apply to Inquisition anymore, as you can still be pretty anti-mage and/or anti-Templar while still recruiting that faction, if you want to. By conscripting the mages your character can (optionally) make a firm stance that they're not helping the rebellion but taking the rebels prisoner for it, and by disbanding the Templars your character can (optionally) state that they believe the Order is lost and needs to be extinguished. You don't necessarily have to agree with that faction to have a playthrough where you work with them.

 

Of course, you didn't necessarily have to agree with either the mages or Templars to side with them in Origins or DA2 either, but it was much more understated and went quickly into headcanon-land. This time you can go Templar-side or mage-side without being pro this or pro that, and you can actually say it out loud, I don't like any of this mess, but you lot are what I'm stuck with, so let's make this work. It's a good and refreshing change to let your character voice their/your frustration in-game, so you can experience the other faction's content without forcing yourself through a path you're not comfortable with, or taking it all into convoluted headcanon justifications. Evens the playing field for everyone.

 

Lol, I conscripted the mages and disbanded the templars. I am such a fence sitter, I didn't want to fully support either group, especially when both have pretty damning faults going for them. What did you do? I am wondering if I should 'support' the templars this time around.  

[R2s Muse]

Re. the mage/Templar stuff, I also think even the terms pro-Templar and pro-mage don't really apply to Inquisition anymore, as you can still be pretty anti-mage and/or anti-Templar while still recruiting that faction, if you want to. By conscripting the mages your character can (optionally) make a firm stance that they're not helping the rebellion but taking the rebels prisoner for it, and by disbanding the Templars your character can (optionally) state that they believe the Order is lost and needs to be extinguished. You don't necessarily have to agree with that faction to have a playthrough where you work with them.

Of course, you didn't necessarily have to agree with either the mages or Templars to side with them in Origins or DA2 either, but it was much more understated and went quickly into headcanon-land. This time you can go Templar-side or mage-side without being pro this or pro that, and you can actually say it out loud, I don't like any of this mess, but you lot are what I'm stuck with, so let's make this work. It's a good and refreshing change to let your character voice their/your frustration in-game, so you can experience the other faction's content without forcing yourself through a path you're not comfortable with, or taking it all into convoluted headcanon justifications. Evens the playing field for everyone.

I agree. When someone first asked me if I'd chosen pro mage vs. pro Templar, I didn't know what they meant. I wanted to recruit both the mages and the Templars to my cause, and it was annoying I could only pick one. I picked the Templars because

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Cullen told me it was my chance to recruit the good ones away from the Lord Seeker. In contrast, Fiona had already pretty much told me the mages were lost to me. I didn't want Alexius as an ally. So my choice was never Lucius, it was Ser Barriss and the "free" Templars. I wanted to recruit the free mages away from Alexius as well! Sigh. Ah well!

[One4sakenAngel]

  This is probably going to be a random post, but it is so nice to be among other Cullenites.

 

  Oddly enough, he reminds me of my boyfriend (said boyfriend is quite amused by this fact).  

[Monica21]

Sebastian's wasn't on-screen either and was a chaste marriage (plus his romance was lack luster and barely there)

 

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Hawke's relationship with Sebastian isn't even addressed, unless I flew right by it. The only thing the Keep asked you is if Hawke was "friends" with Sebastian, and I'm like, "pretty sure more, but whatevs." And then there's nothing in-game about Hawke and Sebastian. Nothing. Just Sebastian hanging out in Kirkwall.

[Sephirona]

I agree. When someone first asked me if I'd chosen pro mage vs. pro Templar, I didn't know what they meant. I wanted to recruit both the mages and the Templars to my cause, and it was annoying I could only pick one. I picked the Templars because

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Cullen told me it was my chance to recruit the good ones away from the Lord Seeker. In contrast, Fiona had already pretty much told me the mages were lost to me. I didn't want Alexius as an ally. So my choice was never Lucius, it was Ser Barriss and the "free" Templars. I wanted to recruit the free mages away from Alexius as well! Sigh. Ah well!

 

Yup I agree as well, it's what I meant when I said a while back that choosing a side doesn't mean we actually support their ideologies. At this point I'm only using the terms "pro-mage" and "pro-templar" to signify the which side I managed to save first. They're definitely misnomers in the purely semantic sense.

 

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To me it seemed like Fiona had just made bad decisions out of desperation, and that Alexius was scaring them into submission at that point. I didn't feel like allying myself with mages meant I was allying myself with Alexius, and you do get the chance to serve him justice by the end. But yeah, I'm beginning to feel bad about letting Ser Barris and the remaining good templars die, I've seen videos of a few of the scenes and Barris was such a trooper. I'll just imagine that I somehow managed to save both sides in my head. It makes me feel better

[R2s Muse]

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Hawke's relationship with Sebastian isn't even addressed, unless I flew right by it. The only thing the Keep asked you is if Hawke was "friends" with Sebastian, and I'm like, "pretty sure more, but whatevs." And then there's nothing in-game about Hawke and Sebastian. Nothing. Just Sebastian hanging out in Kirkwall.

Um not in my playthrough!

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They were definitely still together. And he's in Starkhaven, signing his letters as prince. And the Keep had him as a real love interest. She talked about him and how he's still dealing with challenges to his throne. And then when she leaves, Varric goes to write a letter to Seb about where she went. I was over the moon that it finally recognized my Seb rivalmance!!