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[fontofnothing]

Used the DAI Cinematic Tools to get rid of the pesky UI windows and basically ended up making myself a new wallpaper. Since the thread could always use some more Cullen, here we go:

 

 

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[CuriousArtemis]

One thing I really really love about the Cullen romance? I can finally role-play a shy person!

 

*jealousy intensifies* It's always been my dream to play a shy character!!!

[Annarl]

One thing I really really love about the Cullen romance? I can finally role-play a shy person! I can't tell you how happy this made me! Even when I spoke to Josie I could tell her I was awkward at noble parties and that I had a crush on a templar once

 

Josie: What happened!?

 

Mage quizzy: I was so shy I didn't say anything

 

Just

 

 

It just made the Cullen romance even more amazing for me. It explained her awkwardness at Skyhold when she didn't want to outright say "I was worried about you Cullen" it explained why her hands didn't know what to do with themselves during the first kiss! I've always wanted a romance like this and my wish came true.

really? You can do that?  That is a really nice touch!

[Annarl]

Used the DAI Cinematic Tools to get rid of the pesky UI windows and basically ended up making myself a new wallpaper. Since the thread could always use some more Cullen, here we go:

 

 

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That picture is great! Nice work.

[riverbanks]

Eeeee finding out little details about Cullen from party banter!

 

(at the Storm Coast)

Varric: Something something across all that sea is Kirkwall.

Blackwall: Something something your journey to Haven must have sucked.

Varric: "Between Cassandra's friendly company and Cullen's feelings on sea travel -- it was great."

 

So now we know Cullen travelled from Kirkwall to Haven with Cassandra and Varric (and probably Leliana) directly after DA2... and that he gets sea-sick and complains a lot about it.

 

Poor thing probably retched all his way down to Ferelden. What a journey back home.

[R2s Muse]

Original romance plan: Cullen, Dorian, Solas, Josie, Cass, Bull.

Reality: Cullen - Dorian - Cullen - Dorian - Cullen - Dorian

I'm just glad Cullen is full straight and Dorian is full gay as I'm already torn between different PT that I have to play them in turn. I would probably go mental if I have to choose between them in same PT.

Or if they could give me Cullen/Dorian CP I might be able to romance someone else wait what?

LOL I'm thinking same. It's going to be hard to romance anyone else with a female Inquisitor. Next PT, if I ever finish this one, will attempt to be a Solas romance. But I may fail. :/

[R2s Muse]

 So.... unpopular opinion coming up...
 

Actually, even Cullen hated himself from DA:O post-broken-circle & DA2 period. He said so in game. Let him some time to heal and to grow, and he'll do wonder.

Does it bug anyone else this focus on "Oh, it's OK we hated Cullen, because he hated himself before DA:I"? I personally never hated him, because I understood where he was coming from. Now... I sorta feel like there's supposed to be something wrong with me liking him as a character before.

 

I mean, sure, I'm glad that we know more about his motivations. They're basically what we've been saying all these past few years. And, yes, I understand why he want to leave his templar life behind, as I told him in game. But by the same token... I also thought he'd cleave more strongly to some of the ideals of the Order, to which he'd dedicated the majority of his life. Or we'd see more remorse in him leaving it behind. (keeping in mind that I never got his nemesis quest... so maybe that's where all the angst and second thoughts were located). 

... just me...?  

[riverbanks]

 So.... unpopular opinion coming up...

Does it bug anyone else this focus on "Oh, it's OK we hated Cullen, because he hated himself before DA:I"? I personally never hated him, because I understood where he was coming from. Now... I sorta feel like there's something wrong with me liking him as a character before.

 

Nope, I'm pretty not okay with this new meme of "it's cool to hate Cullen in DAO/DA2 because he hated himself too" either. Just feels like people who now feel guilty for hating him before are tripping all over themselves to find some scapegoat to justify their hate. His own feelings about himself don't make it okay to spew vitriol about the character for years and then go "oh but he hated himself too so I was right to hate him all along." By that measure everyone should hate Fenris and Zevran, because they hate themselves too? Nah.

 

Whatever, you hated him before, you like him now, cool story. But don't try to spin this into some hipster cool club. The fans who loved Cullen all along and who made it possible for him to grow from wallpaper NPC to fully realized major character were not wrong to love him for who he was, blemishes and all. If he is where he is today, it's because of his long-standing loving fans, not his former haters.

[neonmoth]

So.... unpopular opinion coming up...


Does it bug anyone else this focus on "Oh, it's OK we hated Cullen, because he hated himself before DA:I"? I personally never hated him, because I understood where he was coming from. Now... I sorta feel like there's something wrong with me liking him as a character before.

I mean, sure, I'm glad that we know more about his motivations. They're basically what we've been saying all these past few years. And, yes, I understand why he want to leave his templar life behind, as I told him in game. But by the same token... I also thought he'd cleave more strongly to some of the ideals of the Order, to which he'd dedicated the majority of his life. Or we'd see more remorse in him leaving it behind. (keeping in mind that I never got his nemesis quest... so maybe that's where all the angst and second thoughts were located).
... just me...?

To be honest I didn't pick up on Cullen hating his old self. If anything he is not overly proud of past opinions and has some regrets but who hasn't? Unless I was somewhat distracted in his company for an unknown reason Anyway for me it's still Cullen we always loved, just in a better place in his life. I am happy that more folks discover how intersting he is but I'm sorry for them if they couldn't appreciate his character earlier. But hey, different strokes...

[Penguin]

So.... unpopular opinion coming up...
 

Does it bug anyone else this focus on "Oh, it's OK we hated Cullen, because he hated himself before DA:I"? I personally never hated him, because I understood where he was coming from. Now... I sorta feel like there's something wrong with me liking him as a character before.
 
I mean, sure, I'm glad that we know more about his motivations. They're basically what we've been saying all these past few years. And, yes, I understand why he want to leave his templar life behind, as I told him in game. But by the same token... I also thought he'd cleave more strongly to some of the ideals of the Order, to which he'd dedicated the majority of his life. Or we'd see more remorse in him leaving it behind. (keeping in mind that I never got his nemesis quest... so maybe that's where all the angst and second thoughts were located). 
... just me...?

I've always liked him. But maybe because my first PT is a Mage warden. At first he's just this shy young man that think templar should protect people and mages instead of just imprison mages. Even my warden is male, he's still friendly and said he's glad I passed horrowing. Later, after find out what he's been through, I could understand why he react that way. And I feel extremely sad when he said he wish he could joined his friends that got killed. I was quite pleased to find out he's in DA 2 and its true what he said in DAI that even with his opinion on Mage in DA2 there is still only so far he would go, that's why he stand against Merideth in the end.

So yeah. Always liked him and glad to see how a character develop so much in 10 years

[Teshayel]

One thing I really really love about the Cullen romance? I can finally role-play a shy person! 

 

It was quite refreshing to have my Quizzy be unsure of herself, mumbling and stuttering along Of course, the fact that they have written Cullen as a shy character as well, only makes the romance more endearing. I might get some tomatoes thrown my way for saying this, but my favourite Bioware romance before DA:I was Kaidan. He's been trumped though, by our charming ex-Templar  

[neonmoth]

It was quite refreshing to have my Quizzy be unsure of herself, mumbling and stuttering along Of course, the fact that they have written Cullen as a shy character as well, only makes the romance more endearing. I might get some tomatoes thrown my way for saying this, but my favourite Bioware romance before DA:I was Kaidan. He's been trumped though, by our charming ex-Templar

Nah, nobody throws tomatoes on Kaidan's loving. He's still on the top for me, just needs to share this spot with Cullen Love them both to bits. As for his romance there is so much open for interpretation. My quizzy was more tomboyish and awkward than shy but I guess he'd also work with oblivious pc.

[CuriousArtemis]

I know what you mean R2 and everyone else. I felt like sometimes his lines were written simply to appease the haters. Like they desperately wanted all players to embrace the character now. I feel it is too easy to have him say he was simply wrong for how he felt and for what he said and did. What draws me to Cullen, what has always drawn me, is that he is a man with flaws, just like a real person. Not that he is some perfect white knight who nobly admits every wrong and bows down to be cleansed of his past sins.

[LolaLei]

Oooh that's really a great news

 

Actually, even Cullen hated himself from DA:O post-broken-circle & DA2 period. He said so in game. Let him some time to heal and to grow, and he'll do wonder. 

 

Okay, 22 pages to go before the famous page 4000

 

He even says that one of the reasons he joined the Inquisition was to atone for his past mistakes etc.

[LolaLei]

I know what you mean R2 and everyone else. I felt like sometimes his lines were written simply to appease the haters. Like they desperately wanted all players to embrace the character now. I feel it is too easy to have him say he was simply wrong for how he felt and for what he said and did. What draws me to Cullen, what has always drawn me, is that he is a man with flaws, just like a real person. Not that he is some perfect white knight who nobly admits every wrong and bows down to be cleansed of his past sins.

 

I think he came close to becoming one of the villains of DAI, if I'm honest. Wouldn't have taken much for his story arc to go a certain way, even after he stood up to Meredith in DA2. Fortunately he had enough of a following for him to come full circle and become one of the heroes instead. Could have easily gone the other way though.

[neonmoth]

I know what you mean R2 and everyone else. I felt like sometimes his lines were written simply to appease the haters. Like they desperately wanted all players to embrace the character now. I feel it is too easy to have him say he was simply wrong for how he felt and for what he said and did. What draws me to Cullen, what has always drawn me, is that he is a man with flaws, just like a real person. Not that he is some perfect white knight who nobly admits every wrong and bows down to be cleansed of his past sins.

That's interesting. I rather felt that his lines address what we discussed in this thread whilst trying to understand his character and motivations (with few exceptions mind you).

[riverbanks]

Ok so I should not be allowed to think about anything cute for longer than five minutes, or I will ruin it for myself.
 

So now we know Cullen travelled from Kirkwall to Haven with Cassandra and Varric (and probably Leliana) directly after DA2... and that he gets sea-sick and complains a lot about it.

 

Poor thing probably retched all his way down to Ferelden. What a journey back home.

 

Now watch me  angst this up.

WHAT IF.... Cullen wasn't really seasick on the journey back to Ferelden, but actually having the first symptoms of lyrium withdrawal? If he decided to quit when he decided to leave with Cassandra, the weeks on board the ship would have been the first he'd go without lyrium in over a decade. So there'd be a lot of cold sweats, tremors, vomiting, weepiness, wild mood swings, panic attacks... he could have masked all that behind a front of seasickness and general grumpiness about sea travel, because his struggle with addiction was none of Varric's business, and if he failed his maybe first of many attempts to quit cold turkey, he wouldn't have to go around giving explanations to anyone on why he'd relapsed. Cassandra would have gone with the story, because she understood his need for privacy with the matter, and also it seriously was none of Varric's business anyway.

 

For all intents and purposes, Cullen was "seasick" through the whole trip... but in reality, he was already dealing with his demons right there, from day one.

[LolaLei]

One thing I really really love about the Cullen romance? I can finally role-play a shy person! I can't tell you how happy this made me! Even when I spoke to Josie I could tell her I was awkward at noble parties and that I had a crush on a templar once

 

Josie: What happened!?

 

Mage quizzy: I was so shy I didn't say anything

 

Just

 

 

It just made the Cullen romance even more amazing for me. It explained her awkwardness at Skyhold when she didn't want to outright say "I was worried about you Cullen" it explained why her hands didn't know what to do with themselves during the first kiss! I've always wanted a romance like this and my wish came true.

 

Nice little touch, wasn't it! Before I had to turn my Amell into a Cousland it made my Inquisitor's romance arc with Cullen even better because the pair of them had previously been infatuated with someone they couldn't have whilst living/stationed in the circle.

[LolaLei]

Eeeee finding out little details about Cullen from party banter!

 

 

So now we know Cullen travelled from Kirkwall to Haven with Cassandra and Varric (and probably Leliana) directly after DA2... and that he gets sea-sick and complains a lot about it.

 

Poor thing probably retched all his way down to Ferelden. What a journey back home.

 

LMAO! Wasn't that one of our little head canons? That Cullen gets sea sick and isn't keen on boats? That's hilarious!

[Penguin]

Ok so I should not be allowed to think about anything cute for longer than five minutes, or I will ruin it for myself.
 

 
Now watch me  angst this up.
WHAT IF.... Cullen wasn't really seasick on the journey back to Ferelden, but actually having the first symptoms of lyrium withdrawal? If he decided to quit when he decided to leave with Cassandra, the weeks on board the ship would have been the first he'd go without lyrium in over a decade. So there'd be a lot of cold sweats, tremors, vomiting, weepiness, wild mood swings, panic attacks... he could have masked all that behind a front of seasickness and general grumpiness about sea travel, because his struggle with addiction was none of Varric's business, and if he failed his maybe first of many attempts to quit cold turkey, he wouldn't have to go around giving explanations to anyone on why he'd relapsed. Cassandra would have gone with the story, because she understood his need for privacy with the matter, and also it seriously was none of Varric's business anyway.
 
For all intents and purposes, Cullen was "seasick" through the whole trip... but in reality, he was already dealing with his demons right there, from day one.

Gaaarrrrrr!WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS TO ME! You are an evil person I hate you...*curl into a ball in darkness

[CuriousArtemis]

I think he came close to becoming one of the villains of DAI, if I'm honest. Wouldn't have taken much for his story arc to go a certain way, even after he stood up to Meredith in DA2. Fortunately he had enough of a following for him to come full circle and become one of the heroes instead. Could have easily gone the other way though.

 

I think you're right; honestly, I think I would have turned off the game if he were revealed to be the Samson character. I already feel like Samson's issues weren't not developed enough; in fact, I honestly felt he was more nuanced in DA2 o.O At least in DA2 he seemed to straddle the line between good and evil... he was not a good person, but he seemed to try to be sometimes, and he desperately wanted back in the templars, even if in the next breath he'd curse them. 

[riverbanks]

Gaaarrrrrr!WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS TO ME! You are an evil person I hate you...*curl into a ball in darkness

 

Trust me, I hate myself more for doing this to such a cute scenario.  I am the reason we can't have nice things!

[Tishina]

 So.... unpopular opinion coming up...
 

Does it bug anyone else this focus on "Oh, it's OK we hated Cullen, because he hated himself before DA:I"? I personally never hated him, because I understood where he was coming from. Now... I sorta feel like there's something wrong with me liking him as a character before.

 

I mean, sure, I'm glad that we know more about his motivations. They're basically what we've been saying all these past few years. And, yes, I understand why he want to leave his templar life behind, as I told him in game. But by the same token... I also thought he'd cleave more strongly to some of the ideals of the Order, to which he'd dedicated the majority of his life. Or we'd see more remorse in him leaving it behind. (keeping in mind that I never got his nemesis quest... so maybe that's where all the angst and second thoughts were located). 

... just me...?  

As someone who was something of a fence-sitter going into DAI... I don't know that I'd say that he hated himself, just sees that he'd started down a very ugly path if he'd continued. But he recognized what was wrong with the path he started down and drew back (I think the nemesis quest also hit on the fact he could very well have ended up as a red templar). He changes over time, makes mistakes, recognizes them, and tries to fix or at least learn from them, and to me, that makes him a very believable character. It was why I was fascinated with him going into the release while still having reservations until we saw how he'd developed. I think his team did a remarkable job of developing him (and giving branches for his development depending on your influence), though I'd been hopeful once they posted some info on him over the summer.

 

What surprised me most was the romance itself; I hadn't expected to find it that interesting (for myself), much less my favorite in the game. But the Cullen romance they created strikes a chord with most of the things I like in romances, which may not be the things others want (I like someone who screams good partner you can trust - "I've got your back" kind of relationship).

[LolaLei]

I think you're right; honestly, I think I would have turned off the game if he were revealed to be the Samson character. I already feel like Samson's issues weren't not developed enough; in fact, I honestly felt he was more nuanced in DA2 o.O At least in DA2 he seemed to straddle the line between good and evil... he was not a good person, but he seemed to try to be sometimes, and he desperately wanted back in the templars, even if in the next breath he'd curse them. 

 

Spoiler

I felt bad for Samson, he wasn't a bad guy really just a desperate man with a heavy addiction. I guess he saw Corypheus as a chance to be someone again, especially on the pro-mage side where he gets his special suit made to prevent his lyrium craving/side effects and gave him his sharp mind back. I also thought Ser Karras would reappear in my game since I purposely decided to leave him alive to see if I'd find him all red lyrium-ed up to the eyeballs... sadly not, I may as well just have him killed in DA2 if he's not gonna show up, lol.

[neonmoth]

I think he came close to becoming one of the villains of DAI, if I'm honest. Wouldn't have taken much for his story arc to go a certain way, even after he stood up to Meredith in DA2. Fortunately he had enough of a following for him to come full circle and become one of the heroes instead. Could have easily gone the other way though.

Indeed but you can say that about most, if not all characters. I wonder whether the fact that they made him invulnerable in final fight with Meredith was because they were considering him for a villain or commander or they simply kept their option open. On the other hand Cullen was in a leak many years ago and he definitely felt more like a follower than enemy in lt. I am so curious how his role developed.