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It was a nice surprise seeing Samson as a villain, as well as knowing Cullen was roommates with him. I'm not sure I was convinced by the whole lyrium addiction as the reason for his alliance with Corypheus; it kinda sounded to me like an excuse. But anyway, it still had some credibility to it; after all, drug addicts will do anything to have "the next shot".

And the fact that the Commander knew the enemy well enough to predict his strategy and discuss it with our Inquisitor, like a real Commander of troops, added even more credibility to Cullen as a military advisor.


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#99452
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I'm just upset that Samson chose this path. In DA2, I reinstate him in the Templar Order.

I thought he would think twice before helping Cory. 

 

Guess not.


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#99453
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 So.... unpopular opinion coming up...
 


Does it bug anyone else this focus on "Oh, it's OK we hated Cullen, because he hated himself before DA:I"? I personally never hated him, because I understood where he was coming from. Now... I sorta feel like there's something wrong with me liking him as a character before.

 

I mean, sure, I'm glad that we know more about his motivations. They're basically what we've been saying all these past few years. And, yes, I understand why he want to leave his templar life behind, as I told him in game. But by the same token... I also thought he'd cleave more strongly to some of the ideals of the Order, to which he'd dedicated the majority of his life. Or we'd see more remorse in him leaving it behind. (keeping in mind that I never got his nemesis quest... so maybe that's where all the angst and second thoughts were located). 

... just me...?  

 

I think empathy plays a big part here. I myself don't understand how people could hate him. Dislike him yes, but not all out hate. You can dislike the actions of someone but still show an understanding of where those actions are coming from and I never understand why the people that hated him held no sympathy for what he had been through. It is not an excuse for Cullen's actions, it is the reason why he became the person he did, plain and simple. Yes, he was wrong but he had a very good reason for being wrong, if that makes sense.

 

I was a little disappointed that we didn't see some sort of attachment to his past as a templar. Even if we saw his old shield propped up in the corner of his room or something. But I think the clean break was made for the people that hated him. Much more easier to start liking the guy if he disassociated himself completely from the order. It could of been something that he did with the Inquisitor; packing away that last piece of his past in a crate to signify that he was finally ready to let go and move forward. :shrugs:

 

And if I ever see this in one of your posts again "I sorta feel like there's something wrong with me liking him as a character before" Im'a internet slap you.  :P    


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Something I had been worried about when learning of Cullen's inclusion (not just as an advisor but also a love interest), was that his story arc/romance arc would feel lacking when compared with the companions who, I presumed, would get more screen time since they're with your Inquisitor the most. I'm pleasantly surprised to discover that in actual fact he seems to get more screentime than any of them, since not only does he have his romance/story arc which has the same word count as the others, but also the war room stuff, cutscenes directly related to those main quests, and he even pops up in one of the bloody companion quests. Granted, I do feel that there needs to be way more companion/advisor content in general since there's not enough of it in a game as large as DAI, but that aside, the content we did get from him certainly wasn't neglected.


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The Dawn will Come!!

 

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"The Dawn will come" 4 my #Cullenites Merry Christmas loyal fans, I love you all. #grellis @dragonage #DAI http://www.whosay.com/l/lKa9OIj


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Nope, I'm pretty not okay with this new meme of "it's cool to hate Cullen in DAO/DA2 because he hated himself too" either. Just feels like people who now feel guilty for hating him before are tripping all over themselves to find some scapegoat to justify their hate. His own feelings about himself don't make it okay to spew vitriol about the character for years and then go "oh but he hated himself too so I was right to hate him all along." By that measure everyone should hate Fenris and Zevran, because they hate themselves too? Nah.

 

Whatever, you hated him before, you like him now, cool story. But don't try to spin this into some hipster cool club. The fans who loved Cullen all along and who made it possible for him to grow from wallpaper NPC to fully realized major character were not wrong to love him for who he was, blemishes and all. If he is where he is today, it's because of his long-standing loving fans, not his former haters.

Pro-mage here. I don't like Cullen in DA:O or DA:2, and even in DA:I at some points in the game I wish I could tell him to shut up or screw off, tell him that he still doesn't really get it with the mage inquisitor that romanced him.

 

I think I have very good reasons to not have liked him: http://occupythedas....orianpavustache

 

But now he's about on the same level as Blackwall to me and don't put him out of the party. I'm quite happy that he regrets what he did/didn't do and who he was after Broken Circle. If he hadn't, I'd still hate him and ****** that I'd been saddled with a d-bag for a commander.

 

But thankfully all is well.



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I think you're right; honestly, I think I would have turned off the game if he were revealed to be the Samson character. I already feel like Samson's issues weren't not developed enough; in fact, I honestly felt he was more nuanced in DA2 o.O At least in DA2 he seemed to straddle the line between good and evil... he was not a good person, but he seemed to try to be sometimes, and he desperately wanted back in the templars, even if in the next breath he'd curse them.

I think that I would have turned the game off, as well, since that would have destroyed his character growth in the second game if he joined up with Meredith. I also came from my first Warden as a mage and thought he was adorble and I played it as my mage having a crush on him. With him running away, when my warden shamelessly filrted with him. :P And came back to be relieved that those demons did not use my image against him and being hurt by his words. To which, I imagine myself crying after the battle in the arms of Alastair with his I am going to kill him look as he is staring at Cullen. :P
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#99458
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The Dawn will Come!!

 

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Oh my god! Yeah, I giggled like a love-sick puppy.  :lol:  :wub:


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I was a little disappointed that we didn't see some sort of attachment to his past as a templar. Even if we saw his old shield propped up in the corner of his room or something. But I think the clean break was made for the people that hated him. Much more easier to start liking the guy if he disassociated himself completely from the order.

 

And in the process of catering to his haters, they managed to ruin one of the things I liked the most about Cullen - his unwavering faith in the Order. Pretty sad that I have to look to maybe-dead maybe-not Ser Barris now as the strong leadership figure who'll clean up Templars and bring them back to their ideals that I'd hoped to see in Cullen, because some people could only like him if he's completely disassociated from the Order. Biggest issue with his characterization in DAI right there. I get why he left, I can respect it in context, but it's disappointing how obvious it was that Cullen leaving the Templars was just a plot artifact to make him more tolerable to certain crowds. Bleh.

 

Well, I'll always have the Sword of Mercy on his gauntlets as a tiny little acknowlegement that he hasn't put the Order completely behind him. It's... something, at least.


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The Dawn will Come!!

 

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Greg Ellis ‏@ellisgreg 14m14 minutes ago

"The Dawn will come" 4 my #Cullenites Merry Christmas loyal fans, I love you all. #grellis @dragonage #DAI http://www.whosay.com/l/lKa9OIj

 

Omg... be still my beating heart!  :wub:


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 So.... unpopular opinion coming up...
 


Does it bug anyone else this focus on "Oh, it's OK we hated Cullen, because he hated himself before DA:I"? I personally never hated him, because I understood where he was coming from. Now... I sorta feel like there's supposed to be something wrong with me liking him as a character before.

 

I mean, sure, I'm glad that we know more about his motivations. They're basically what we've been saying all these past few years. And, yes, I understand why he want to leave his templar life behind, as I told him in game. But by the same token... I also thought he'd cleave more strongly to some of the ideals of the Order, to which he'd dedicated the majority of his life. Or we'd see more remorse in him leaving it behind. (keeping in mind that I never got his nemesis quest... so maybe that's where all the angst and second thoughts were located). 

... just me...?  

 

I absolutely agree. While I disagreed with many of the things he said at the end of Origins and throughout DAII, to me it was always obvious that these were aspects of his character growth. This is a man still learning about the world as he goes. He used to think Templars were too hard on mages and he probably doubted some of Greagor's harsher decisions. After his torture, he likely felt that it was wrong of him to have doubted his superior at all. He had reason to fear mages at the end of Origins, and he probably was reluctant to doubt Meredith or go behind her back precisely because of what happened the last time he doubted people with more experience. He admits he could have done more in terms of investigating possible abuses of power committed by other people but he also says that Meredith kept a lot of decisions from him when she knew he might object.

 

I know he was strict and said terrible things, but I don't feel like he was absolutely without morals the way some people who hated him portrayed him to be. I had several people try to convince me that Cullen was aware of rapes going on at Kirkwall but did nothing about them. I actually had to re-examine the dialogue myself to realize that when Hawke asked Cullen about Alrik it had nothing to do with rape and he was specifically referring to the concept of Tranquility when he was speaking. Imo it's highly unlikely he knew rape was going on as well, and he confirms in DA3 that he should have looked into things more. He probably WOULD have done something if he knew.

 

And yeah, he wanted to kill all the mages in the Tower at the end of Broken Circle but even your party members point out that he's been tortured and deprived of food/water for a long time so isn't in his right mind. He was absolutely wrong, but I found it more pitiable than deserving of hate, really.

 

I feel like Cullen's hatred for himself is based on his harsh behavior towards mages and, most of all, his complacency during his stay at Kirkwall. But I don't think he did anything outright evil or immoral. He was just at a point in his life when he was still struggling with the idea of thinking for himself instead of following The Maker/The Chantry/his bosses ideas blindly. We see him make this decision to do what he himself thinks is right at the end of DAII. Inquisition sees him far more confident, commanding, and surefooted for this same reason. It was all a part of his character development, and I empathize with his struggles during the first two games all the same even if he said things I found objectionable. It's not as if he's a totally different person. He was a blank canvas in Origins, and we've watched the story of his life painted on over the years into the masterpiece he is today. It's a metaphor for how we all grow up, really.


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#99463
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Oh my god! Yeah, I giggled like a love-sick puppy.  :lol:  :wub:

I don't even log into Twitter that often, I might have missed it! :P



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As I understand it, Fade Touched and Ultra are the same, just that Fade Touched is apparently meant for cards with more VRAM to allow for larger memory caches, and you'll be less likely to have issues with texture pop-ins.

 

Ah ok, thanks for the info!



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Posting in epic thread

Nearly 100000 posts, good lord.  :blink:


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I think he came close to becoming one of the villains of DAI, if I'm honest. Wouldn't have taken much for his story arc to go a certain way, even after he stood up to Meredith in DA2. Fortunately he had enough of a following for him to come full circle and become one of the heroes instead. Could have easily gone the other way though.

 

OMG THIS! Before they announced that he was going to be an adviser I was totally worried he would end up being a villain! Keep in mind I've been a fan since DA:O and I never hated him, even after that specific epilogue slide about his mental stability.

 

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The Dawn will Come!!

 

Edited:

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That is great!! Wow nicely done Greg Ellis!  :)



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And in the process of catering to his haters, they managed to ruin one of the things I liked the most about Cullen - his unwavering faith in the Order. Pretty sad that I have to look to maybe-dead maybe-not Ser Barris now as the strong leadership figure who'll clean up Templars and bring them back to their ideals that I'd hoped to see in Cullen, because some people could only like him if he's completely disassociated from the Order. Biggest issue with his characterization in DAI right there. I get why he left, I can respect it in context, but it's disappointing how obvious it was that Cullen leaving the Templars was just a plot artifact to make him more tolerable to certain crowds. Bleh.

 

Well, I'll always have the Sword of Mercy on his gauntlets as a tiny little acknowlegement that he hasn't put the Order completely behind him. It's... something, at least.

 

I demand my 'likes' back from all you people!  ^_^ Nah, keep 'em. You earned them!

 

I know. This is what he dreamed of being since he was a kid. It was a surprise to just see him give it all up completely. The lyrium I can understand. Hell, that is fantastic that he could do that and his resolve in such things just shows his strength but that is more breaking the hold the Chantry has over over the Order. I honestly would have thought that he would maybe want to have a hand in restoring the order and shaping it into what it was when it was first formed because of all those strong ideals that he has always had. I always said that no matter how Cullen's arc played out my Inquisitor would support him until the end (unless, you know, he became crazy evil lol). It all just seems to be gone, his ideals switched to incorporate his place in the Inquisition instead and yes, I do think it was to appease the hate which is sad because all of it was what made him who he is and is the reason why we are fans of his character.   


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Regarding the opinion in the link Justice for Mages:

You know, the thing is, Cullen went through a lot of abuse.
He saw his companions being tortured to death, was caged and tortured himself and had his mind violated in every way possible.



#99475
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No matter how much respect and consideration you have for someone, after going through abuse, you never think of your abuser as a human being again. Any love, compassion, empathy or other noble feelings you had for him become sheer hatred. This hatred is transferred to anything and anyone that reminds you, even remotely, of the abuse.

Which is why Cullen wanted all the mages executed.