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[TheLastArchivist]

As to all the talk in the link about him thinking of Amell as an object and not a person...really? He's a young man who's never had any love or sexual experience. And so is Solana. Does anyone think she wouldn't think of the templar in the same way he thinks of her? Are all women saints, now? They don't have sexual feelings anymore? Not even at an age when it is normal to have your hormones erupt through every pore?

Later, when he said "the one thing he always wanted, but could never have", he doesn't mean to have her body for himself. It means having a relationship with her.

[LolaLei]

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I will agree that their are hints of the game being better and longer like the attack on Skyhold. I also think the real Elder One was in fact what Corynphus planed to release. He was pretty weak for a finnale battle Boss. To me we should've had Dumunt take the field and escape and lay low for the next game.

 

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glad it wasn't just me wondering when Skyhold was gonna start exploding. Honestly, I was expecting a dragon attack. Not Cory's dragon in particular, but just a normal dragon. We were quite high up in the mounts, a dragon having a nest somewhere near Skyhold wouldn't be too far fetched. Maybe Skyhold under attack will be in a dlc/expansion.   

 

Spoiler

There was a spoiler at some point (I think it was Cameron who said it by accident) that Skyhold would be attacked, yeah. It's really obvious that you're building all this stuff up and improving the keep's defenses and recruiting more soldiers for something... which it makes it all the more underwhelming when nothing happens.

 

The way it builds up, I was seriously expecting a ME-like ending, where everything goes to hell and you lose your ship keep and half your crew dies if your readiness is not high enough, and you have to fight waves upon waves of baddies until you finally reach Corypheus and then he drops dead and SURPRISE he's not actually the final boss, etc. And... nothing happened. There was definitely way more left behind on the cutting room floor than they're telling us.

 

 

Spoiler

For a long time that's what I thought too... until I was shown a spoiler and discovered that Corypheus was indeed the big bad. I thought the Elder One was actually that dragon at first, and that Cory had awakened it or something, lol. 

 

Ninetozero: did Cameron directly say it was the Skyhold that gets attacked? I thought he said something about the big bad attacking us on our own front door, but never mentioned that it was the Skyhold, we just assumed it was because at that point we weren't aware that we'd be based anywhere else before hand. Either way, I know I assumed it was our Skyhold that would come under siege. 

 

I really miss having those last goodbyes and the empowering speech before going off to what could potentially be our deaths, lol. It's sad that Cullen fought by our side during the end battle in DA2, but was left twiddling his thumbs in the Skyhold in DAI... seems pointless having two experienced fighters just sitting there going to waste. I would've loved to have taken control of him (hur hur) during one segment of the battle (similar to DA:O), having it switch backwards and forwards between the Inquisitor, Leliana, Cullen, and the companions we didn't take with us would've been great!

 

I guess we can always keep our fingers crossed for something like that in one of the expansions.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

Spoiler

There was a spoiler at some point (I think it was Cameron who said it by accident) that Skyhold would be attacked, yeah. It's really obvious that you're building all this stuff up and improving the keep's defenses and recruiting more soldiers for something... which it makes it all the more underwhelming when nothing happens.

 

The way it builds up, I was seriously expecting a ME-like ending, where everything goes to hell and you lose your ship keep and half your crew dies if your readiness is not high enough, and you have to fight waves upon waves of baddies until you finally reach Corypheus and then he drops dead and SURPRISE he's not actually the final boss, etc. And... nothing happened. There was definitely way more left behind on the cutting room floor than they're telling us.

 

I am kind of hoping for some really good DLC's.

[LolaLei]

I demand my 'likes' back from all you people!  Nah, keep 'em. You earned them!

 

I know. This is what he dreamed of being since he was a kid. It was a surprise to just see him give it all up completely. The lyrium I can understand. Hell, that is fantastic that he could do that and his resolve in such things just shows his strength but that is more breaking the hold the Chantry has over over the Order. I honestly would have thought that he would maybe want to have a hand in restoring the order and shaping it into what it was when it was first formed because of all those strong ideals that he has always had. I always said that no matter how Cullen's arc played out my Inquisitor would support him until the end (unless, you know, he became crazy evil lol). It all just seems to be gone, his ideals switched to incorporate his place in the Inquisition instead and yes, I do think it was to appease the hate which is sad because all of it was what made him who he is and is the reason why we are fans of his character.   

 

What does he decide to do if you're just his friend/whatever in DAI? Romancing him obviously makes him decide to stick around because of the Inquisitor, but it in some of his non-romance dialogue it sounded like he was considering what to do with himself after the Inquisition was no longer needed.

[Annarl]

 So.... unpopular opinion coming up...
 

Does it bug anyone else this focus on "Oh, it's OK we hated Cullen, because he hated himself before DA:I"? I personally never hated him, because I understood where he was coming from. Now... I sorta feel like there's supposed to be something wrong with me liking him as a character before.

 

I mean, sure, I'm glad that we know more about his motivations. They're basically what we've been saying all these past few years. And, yes, I understand why he want to leave his templar life behind, as I told him in game. But by the same token... I also thought he'd cleave more strongly to some of the ideals of the Order, to which he'd dedicated the majority of his life. Or we'd see more remorse in him leaving it behind. (keeping in mind that I never got his nemesis quest... so maybe that's where all the angst and second thoughts were located). 

... just me...?  

I have never picked up on the it's okay to hate him because he hated himself....but I tend to roll against most trends. lol

 

I have always had a soft spot for him and hoped he would find happiness. His character has been through a lot.  When you find him in the Tower...the man had just been torture...for days if not longer.  How many of us would say something positive about mages in those moments? Or even in the weeks and months after.  He needed to work through those issues and I think he has.
But I also thought the same about Sebastian, when the chantry blew up.  He just witnessed a woman he cared about like a mother, one he had known most of his life die...what do you think he should say about Anders? I mean really put yourself in his shoes.

[Adynata]

OMG THIS! Before they announced that he was going to be an adviser I was totally worried he would end up being a villain! Keep in mind I've been a fan since DA:O and I never hated him, even after that specific epilogue slide about his mental stability.

 

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If you get his nemesis quest you actually get some great insight into his fears about how things could have been different. I totally love that whole arc and will forever go pro-mage because of it.

 

What's this about a nemesis quest? Do I have to be mean to Cullen to get it? Better just Youtube it...

[LolaLei]

As to all the talk in the link about him thinking of Amell as an object and not a person...really? He's a young man who's never had any love or sexual experience. And so is Solana. Does anyone think she wouldn't think of the templar in the same way he thinks of her? Are all women saints, now? They don't have sexual feelings anymore? Not even at an age when it is normal to have your hormones erupt through every pore?

Later, when he said "the one thing he always wanted, but could never have", he doesn't mean to have her body for himself. It means having a relationship with her.

 

I'm not entirely sure what you're ranting about, I think the majority of us in here are of the same opinion as you.

[LolaLei]

What's this about a nemesis quest? Do I have to be mean to Cullen to get it? Better just Youtube it...

 

Naw, you only get it if you go pro-mage. If you go pro-templar Leliana gives you a quest to track down Calpernia instead.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

What does he decide to do if you're just his friend/whatever in DAI? Romancing him obviously makes him decide to stick around because of the Inquisitor, but it in some of his non-romance dialogue it sounded like he was considering what to do with himself after the Inquisition was no longer needed.

 

Pfft, do you really think I have gone through a play-through where I haven't romanced Cullen?  I will have a look on YouTube and see if I can find a clip. 

[MelissaGT]

What's this about a nemesis quest? Do I have to be mean to Cullen to get it? Better just Youtube it...

 

Spoiler

You just have to go pro-mage (In Hushed Whispers) in the beginning and you will get Cullen's nemesis quest rather than Leliana's.

[Teshayel]

What's this about a nemesis quest? Do I have to be mean to Cullen to get it? Better just Youtube it...

 

Nah, you just have to do his personal quest  

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But you have to choose mages first. He actually accompanies you in the last section of the quest, which is awesome

[Annarl]

I demand my 'likes' back from all you people!  Nah, keep 'em. You earned them!

 

I know. This is what he dreamed of being since he was a kid. It was a surprise to just see him give it all up completely. The lyrium I can understand. Hell, that is fantastic that he could do that and his resolve in such things just shows his strength but that is more breaking the hold the Chantry has over over the Order. I honestly would have thought that he would maybe want to have a hand in restoring the order and shaping it into what it was when it was first formed because of all those strong ideals that he has always had. I always said that no matter how Cullen's arc played out my Inquisitor would support him until the end (unless, you know, he became crazy evil lol). It all just seems to be gone, his ideals switched to incorporate his place in the Inquisition instead and yes, I do think it was to appease the hate which is sad because all of it was what made him who he is and is the reason why we are fans of his character.   

 

I think the lyrium given to Templars is a complete and total form of control.    I would have loved a way to influence that more especially once you know what the Seekers can do without it.

[riverbanks]

What's this about a nemesis quest? Do I have to be mean to Cullen to get it? Better just Youtube it...

 

You have to play through the mage side to get it. You don't actually have to ally with the mages or give them freedom to get the quest, you can conscript them as prisoners and the quest will still trigger just the same. Through the Templar side, you get an alternate nemesis quest, with Leliana on the lead. And the "nemesis" in question isn't Cullen or Leliana themselves just the enemy you pursue.

[Sephirona]

And in the process of catering to his haters, they managed to ruin one of the things I liked the most about Cullen - his unwavering faith in the Order. Pretty sad that I have to look to maybe-dead maybe-not Ser Barris now as the strong leadership figure who'll clean up Templars and bring them back to their ideals that I'd hoped to see in Cullen, because some people could only like him if he's completely disassociated from the Order. Biggest issue with his characterization in DAI right there. I get why he left, I can respect it in context, but it's disappointing how obvious it was that Cullen leaving the Templars was just a plot artifact to make him more tolerable to certain crowds. Bleh.

 

Well, I'll always have the Sword of Mercy on his gauntlets as a tiny little acknowlegement that he hasn't put the Order completely behind him. It's... something, at least.

 

Yeah, I have to admit it was a little strange at first to see that Cullen distanced himself from the Order to the extent that he did. I don't think he disagrees at all with what it stands for or what its ideal purpose should be, though. What he's learned from the Order will stick with him forever and be part of the experience he uses to make all his decisions in the future, definitely. His primary goal has always been to do what's right, and during childhood I think to him it seemed the Templars were the embodiment of this. I think that he just recognized that the Chantry's hold over the Order and the blind faith required to be a Templar were things that were doing more harm than good, and that the Inquisition was now more able to fill the role in society that he'd hoped the Order would fill. He doesn't think Templars should be disbanded entirely, only that the current system is a system that is not ideal and that leashing Templars has only added to the problem. He just saw the opportunity to help a cause that would do the most good for the world.

 

He probably just wants to be free to make his own decisions without someone hanging his sanity over his head. Especially after he saw what a type of Lyrium did to his Knight-Commander's ability to make decisions.

 

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The Dawn will Come!!

 

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"The Dawn will come" 4 my #Cullenites Merry Christmas loyal fans, I love you all. #grellis @dragonage #DAI http://www.whosay.com/l/lKa9OIj

 

Greg Ellis is glorious and must be protected at all costs. ;-;

[LolaLei]

Interesting, so apparently Gaider was on some podcast and was quoted as saying "We did cut a ton of content." To be fair, content always gets cut from games so it's not like this is a revelation... I just hadn't realised THAT much had been removed, certainly explains why the pacing is off and the ending feels abrupt, lol.

[Cerulione]

 So.... unpopular opinion coming up...
 

Does it bug anyone else this focus on "Oh, it's OK we hated Cullen, because he hated himself before DA:I"? I personally never hated him, because I understood where he was coming from. Now... I sorta feel like there's supposed to be something wrong with me liking him as a character before.

 

I mean, sure, I'm glad that we know more about his motivations. They're basically what we've been saying all these past few years. And, yes, I understand why he want to leave his templar life behind, as I told him in game. But by the same token... I also thought he'd cleave more strongly to some of the ideals of the Order, to which he'd dedicated the majority of his life. Or we'd see more remorse in him leaving it behind. (keeping in mind that I never got his nemesis quest... so maybe that's where all the angst and second thoughts were located). 

... just me...?  

 

Not just you. The fact that he "hated" himself of his attitude during past games does not means that this can be used as reason to hate him, it shows just his remorse of his actions/words even if he had really understandable reason to do them. From what I saw, what people hate from him is mostly the famous "Mages aren't people" line in DA2 and him asking to bash off the head of all mages in DA:O after his torture.

 

He was tortured for Maker's sake. How can in DA2 he keep that moderate image of mages he had in Magi origin in DA:O?

 

What I wanted to say is actually even Cullen knew that the strong opinions about mages he clearly said in DA2 and his inactions are not the best he can do & he shows regret over it. Even if the mistake is understandable from my point of view, he admits it & try to atone.

 

That's why he's such a strong character.

 

Ok so I should not be allowed to think about anything cute for longer than five minutes, or I will ruin it for myself.
 

 

Now watch me  angst this up.

WHAT IF.... Cullen wasn't really seasick on the journey back to Ferelden, but actually having the first symptoms of lyrium withdrawal? If he decided to quit when he decided to leave with Cassandra, the weeks on board the ship would have been the first he'd go without lyrium in over a decade. So there'd be a lot of cold sweats, tremors, vomiting, weepiness, wild mood swings, panic attacks... he could have masked all that behind a front of seasickness and general grumpiness about sea travel, because his struggle with addiction was none of Varric's business, and if he failed his maybe first of many attempts to quit cold turkey, he wouldn't have to go around giving explanations to anyone on why he'd relapsed. Cassandra would have gone with the story, because she understood his need for privacy with the matter, and also it seriously was none of Varric's business anyway.

 

For all intents and purposes, Cullen was "seasick" through the whole trip... but in reality, he was already dealing with his demons right there, from day one.

 
 

[LolaLei]

I think the lyrium given to Templars is a complete and total form of control.    I would have loved a way to influence that more especially once you know what the Seekers can do without it.

 

Well, that's what Alistair always said from the get go. I would have loved to uncover the truth of that in DAI... imagine Cullen's reaction! 

[TheLastArchivist]

"I'm not entirely sure what you're ranting about, I think the majority of us in here are of the same opinion as you."

Sorry for posting 3 times in a row. ç.ç  It gave the impression I was being rude. >.<
I'm having trouble posting normally here in the forum. It started a few days ago. Idk if the problem is with my PC (RAM is pretty low after playing DA:I in High Res) or with the internet.
 

[TheLastArchivist]

That's why I had to fraction my original post into several or it wouldn't be posted at all. Same thing for the quote. Whenever I quote someone, the post doesn't load. It's frustrating. >.<
Sorry if I came across as rude. It wasn't my intention. o/

[riverbanks]

What does he decide to do if you're just his friend/whatever in DAI? Romancing him obviously makes him decide to stick around because of the Inquisitor, but it in some of his non-romance dialogue it sounded like he was considering what to do with himself after the Inquisition was no longer needed.

 

His final conversation isn't much different with a non-romanced Inquisitor. Same thing, minus the line about wanting all your attention to himself.

 

He sticks around, pretty much. He's a soldier at the end of the day, and without the Templars he doesn't really have anything else. Inquisition is his life now.

[LolaLei]

During some of his dialogue you can actually put the blame back on Cullen when he's talking about DA2 and not doing enough. I've never taken that line, but I'd be interested in hearing his response to it.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

What does he decide to do if you're just his friend/whatever in DAI? Romancing him obviously makes him decide to stick around because of the Inquisitor, but it in some of his non-romance dialogue it sounded like he was considering what to do with himself after the Inquisition was no longer needed.

 

Nah, I think he plans are to stay with the Inquisition. He says "the soldiers will follow us" and "the Inquisition has made a difference and we will continue to do so".

[Cerulione]

I demand my 'likes' back from all you people!  Nah, keep 'em. You earned them!

 

I know. This is what he dreamed of being since he was a kid. It was a surprise to just see him give it all up completely. The lyrium I can understand. Hell, that is fantastic that he could do that and his resolve in such things just shows his strength but that is more breaking the hold the Chantry has over over the Order. I honestly would have thought that he would maybe want to have a hand in restoring the order and shaping it into what it was when it was first formed because of all those strong ideals that he has always had. I always said that no matter how Cullen's arc played out my Inquisitor would support him until the end (unless, you know, he became crazy evil lol). It all just seems to be gone, his ideals switched to incorporate his place in the Inquisition instead and yes, I do think it was to appease the hate which is sad because all of it was what made him who he is and is the reason why we are fans of his character.   

 

IMO he wants nothing to do with the templar order anymore because the Templar had failed... Kirkwall templar had failed completely. Cullen's an idealist, he wants the Order to live up to its original idea. His experience in Kirkwall show him that the Order is not the Order he wanted to be a part of anymore.

 

Above all, Cullen wants to protect people (including mages). So I can understand why he wants to get out of it.

[Chanda]

Interesting, so apparently Gaider was on some podcast and was quoted as saying "We did cut a ton of content." To be fair, content always get cut from games so it's not like this is a revelation... I'd just hadn't realised THAT much had been removed, certainly explains why the pacing is off and the ending feels abrupt, lol.

 

They should pull a Peter Jackson and do an extended edition of the game.

[Teshayel]

Well, that's what Alistair always said from the get go. I would have loved to uncover the truth of that in DAI... imagine Cullen's reaction! 

 

There's actually a whole thread on the lyrium issue. Alistair speculates in DA:O that lyrium may not even be needed for Templar abilities, but Gaider confirmed that it is needed. So, it's a means of control, but it does give powers.