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[frylock23]

Yeah, but she wants things exactly as they were, and my character doesn't exactly want that. She mistrusts Templars. Viv doesn't help.

[CuriousArtemis]

That whole Michel quest is bugged; the journal says to "talk to the villagers" but you can't speak to a single one!

[LolaLei]

That whole Michel quest is bugged; the journal says to "talk to the villagers" but you can't speak to a single one!

Ah, that explains a lot. I was like dude, wtf is up with you! LOL!

[Hellion Rex]

First of all by the town, then he magically appeared at the Keep so I helped him fight those red templars at the door, he said something ambiently, I had no option to talk to him beyond that. Then I found him again and he said that he wanted to fight Imshael but the villagers needed him for something and buggered off, so I fought the demon myself, went back to him and he said what I described in the last post, lol.[/spoiler]

Huh. I'd chalk it up as bugged. You did literally what I did, and he couldn't join the Inquisition fast enough.

[SeaBassChen]

This is probably not spoilery, so I won't use tags.

 

What is the cannon on when Cullen was recruited into the Inquisition? Was it right after Hawke left Kirkwall, or did Cullen get a chance to actually work as the Knight-Commander of Kirkwall for a little while first? I figured he did because of something spoilery in Inquisition where he was referred to as being the former Knight-Commander of said city.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

Mine was of abject fear and horror and the firm desire to never speak to you again You do know about my Alain obsession, right?  

 

Lol, you need a harem. 

[alwayshungry]

That whole Michel quest is bugged; the journal says to "talk to the villagers" but you can't speak to a single one!

Spoiler

I could talk to a lady who was looking for her mama's ring. Well, I didn't really talk to her. She was just talking to herself.

I could also speak to another lady who tells you about the red templars and the villagers.

[LolaLei]

So he's not supposed to help you fight Imshael then? Kinda defeats the purpose of him knocking about in Emprise Du Lion for months really, doesn't it, LOL!

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

So he's not supposed to help you fight Imshael then? Kinda defeats the purpose of him knocking about in Emprise Du Lion for months really, doesn't it, LOL!

 

Eh, you know what people are like in Thedas. They all just expect things to be done for them. 

[frylock23]

The village in Emprise must be buggy. I could talk to the villagers and got Michel's quest to work all right, but the quest with the lady you judge went all out of order, and I couldn't talk to the lady with the empty box in the first house, ever.

[LolaLei]

Eh, you know what people are like in Thedas. They all just expect things to be done for them.

*Sighs* another anticlimax. I was looking forward to running into him in-game after reading the book.

[Sephirona]

Though I usually play as a mage I actually wouldn't have a problem siding with the Templars on my next playthrough because while some of them would abuse (and have abused) their power, I like to imagine that my mage chars didn't actually run into as many problems with them myself. Not the way we saw in Kirkwall, at least. My Warden was very happy running around talking to the Templars in the Kinloch Hold and while some of them didn't want to talk others were pretty okay with telling me about life outside - and weren't rude about it, either.

 

Also, Cullen seemed to really respect your abilities and wanted to talk to you more even if he knew there'd never be a romance, so I got the sense that I was meant to find Templars approachable and that Cullen was trying to understand more about where I was coming from, too. It also meant that my mage probably never caused him trouble. But, as always, radicals ruin everything. In Origins, the evil outlier was Uldred. In DAII, it was Meredith when she succumbed to insanity.

 

I really appreciate Vivienne's presence because of her moderate and reasonable opinions as a mage, personally. The only way to resolve the issue between mages and templars is for both sides to understand the possible suffering they can cause and to find ways to compromise. Templars need to be taught to understand that mages are people with emotional needs like any other and that magic isn't inherently evil, mages need to learn that they do have massive responsibilities that necessitate a control system of some sort (hopefully one that requires less human rights violations in the future >_>;; hah. ).

 

I chose to side with the mages in my playthrough not so much because I thought they were 100% right but because I wanted more of a chance to work with Cullen, LOL. cry

[riverbanks]

This is probably not spoilery, so I won't use tags.

 

What is the cannon on when Cullen was recruited into the Inquisition? Was it right after Hawke left Kirkwall, or did Cullen get a chance to actually work as the Knight-Commander of Kirkwall for a little while first? I figured he did because of something spoilery in Inquisition where he was referred to as being the former Knight-Commander of said city.

 

It's a bit muddled up because we don't see the progression of time, but there's actually a three-four years gap between the very last time you see Hawke in DA2, and Varric's interrogation that sets the narrative of the game. So whether Hawke ran away (mage side) or became Viscountess (Templar side), it took Cassandra at least three years to catch up with Kirkwall.

 

In this meantime, Cullen was leading the Templars (or what was left of them) in the efforts to rebuild the city, and protecting the remaining mages in the Circle (or, again, what was left of them). R2 just confirmed with Brianne earlier today that whether Cullen was promoted or not depends on who you sided with -from mage side Cullen remains Knight-Captain, from Templar side he is promoted to Knight-Commander- but regardless of title, for the next three years after the Anders incident Cullen was leading the remaining Templars - probably up until the rebellion broke out in full, and his own Templars started defecting (Samson, etc).

[Cerulione]

I love to read your perspectives. So well thought out and articulate. I just wanted to add some thoughts, very YMMV...

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I actually found the entire Days of Future Past quest with Dorian to be just as emotionally engaging as the Templar side. I didn't find Felix to be "super wallpaper" at all; I loved the relationship between Felix and Alexius. As a parent, I can definitely relate to wanting the best for your child, and even thinking about going to absolute psychopath extremes to ensure a beloved child's safety. On the flip side, Felix tried to save his father from becoming a monster, while coming to terms with the fact that he's dying at a pretty young age. There was a lot of interesting subtext between Dorian and Felix, as well, that I thought added to the mix.

For me, also, seeing what the future could be if Corypheus wins... Seeing what becomes of your followers and then watching Leliana's Crowning Moment of Awesome sacrifice to ensure that this world doesn't happen... GUH. Gets me right in the feels. It ups the stakes, for sure, in a way that I didn't feel on the Templar side. I like the time travel stuff, though, so take it as you will.

BUT, Ser Barris is totally delightful. Reason enough to just go Templar from now on, haha?

 

Yup, completely agree.

 

Spoiler

I still find Alexius' motivation to join the Elder One to save his son is much stronger than Lord Seeker Lucius' for joining The Elder One. Alexius wanted to save his son, the Elder One promise him that, he's desperate enough to accept. Lord Seeker Lucius' reason to join The Elder One is just as crazy as Floriane's. "Aaaah see there's the next big bad one. I'm gonna join him."

 

Okay, I'm still more comfortable & fulfilled by joining the templar. I'd just finished In Hushed Whisper & it's awesome (many great scenes, Dorian's awesome, Leliana's (+ Varric & Cassandra) sacrifice to buy time for the IQ. But, no Ser Barris, no that sense of fulfilment when Ser Barris leads all templars to voice their agreement to join the Inquisition.

[Hellion Rex]

Just promoted Ser Barris.

 

[Chrys]

Ha. I've just heard Varric say something about Cullen:

 

Spoiler

Varric says he acts like a doting parent to the army and that he thinks Cullen carries portraits of all the soldiers in his pocket 

[Dirgegun]

Yup, completely agree.

 

Spoiler

I still find Alexius' motivation to join the Elder One to save his son is much stronger than Lord Seeker Lucius' for joining The Elder One. Alexius wanted to save his son, the Elder One promise him that, he's desperate enough to accept. Lord Seeker Lucius' reason to join The Elder One is just as crazy as Floriane's. "Aaaah see there's the next big bad one. I'm gonna join him."

 

Okay, I'm still more comfortable & fulfilled by joining the templar. I'd just finished In Hushed Whisper & it's awesome (many great scenes, Dorian's awesome, Leliana's (+ Varric & Cassandra) sacrifice to buy time for the IQ. But, no Ser Barris, no that sense of fulfilment when Ser Barris leads all templars to voice their agreement to join the Inquisition.

 

Spoiler

Except Lucius, by that point, was actually an Envy demon wearing his face, and Envy demons are all over power, power, power.

[Cerulione]

A question (super spoiler) about In Hushed Whisper.

 

Will we always get:

Spoiler

Leliana with scary face? 

 

I saw in one gameplay that she might not had this scary & corrupted face...

[Xeyska]

I conscripted the mages on my second playthrough, though I'm not quite done with it yet I vastly prefer the Templar side.

 

A question (super spoiler) about In Hushed Whisper.

 

Will we always get:

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Leliana with scary face? 

 

Yes.

[Cerulione]

Spoiler

Except Lucius, by that point, was actually an Envy demon wearing his face, and Envy demons are all over power, power, power.

 

Spoiler

  Even the one in Cassandra's personal quest? I mean he sounds crazy even there. The one in Therinfal's Envy Demon alright... so crazy

[SeaBassChen]

A question (super spoiler) about In Hushed Whisper.

 

Will we always get:

Spoiler

Leliana with scary face? 

 

I saw in one gameplay that she might not had this scary & corrupted face...

 

 

Good question. I always wondered why she looked like this in that quest. Just a year of torture doing that to her?

[Cerulione]

I conscripted the mages on my second playthrough, though I'm not quite done with it yet I vastly prefer the Templar side.

 

Templar's side more fulfilling IMO...

 

Mage's side is nice though, but not as fulfilling as templar's. Still, I can't wait to see Cullen's Before Dawn quest

[Cerulione]

Good question. I always wondered why she looked like this in that quest. Just a year of torture doing that to her?

 

Spoiler

Ah. If you read all codex found in the Castle, actually Felix got corrupted by Darkspawn. Alexius had been forcing prisoners on darkspawn corruption to see how to counteract it. It's mentionned that Leliana's resistance the best among all survivor of this test.

 

 

Tee hee, finally able to make an Inquisitor that I love (my first one's got weird face due to bad mastery of CC). Meet Elena Trevelyan, the red-headed fiery mage.

 

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[frylock23]

Nah, it's not that I was playing the "all Templars are evil" angle. More that they shouldn't have the degree of power they do as it tends to bring out the worst in some. She's afraid of what it might signal if she sides with them, what conclusions could be drawn. And yes, she's seen both sides of the coin - good and bad - and knows they exist. She just wishes that mages weren't imprisoned and forced to endure whichever side comes up for them.

 

Also, if I'm playing without meta knowledge, there isn't anything in the game itself that says you can't go for the Templars after the mages, at least, not for your PC although you know it very well because the game makes it clear.

[Cerulione]

Nah, it's not that I was playing the "all Templars are evil" angle. More that they shouldn't have the degree of power they do as it tends to bring out the worst in some. She's afraid of what it might signal if she sides with them, what conclusions could be drawn. And yes, she's seen both sides of the coin - good and bad - and knows they exist. She just wishes that mages weren't imprisoned and forced to endure whichever side comes up for them.

 

Also, if I'm playing without meta knowledge, there isn't anything in the game itself that says you can't go for the Templars after the mages, at least, not for your PC although you know it very well because the game makes it clear.

 

Spoiler

Ah?? Cass will tell you (or strongly suggest) to change side to templars after meeting Alexius for the first time at the tavern no? And without Meta Gaming every single advisor say that there's possibility to change side at least 3 times.