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[frylock23]

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She suggests that you go for them. She doesn't tell you it will be impossible to side with them ever if you don't at that point in time. You can interpret this to simply mean that she feels it will be safer to deal with a nest of mages with a big force of Templars who specialize in fighting mages.

 

She's not saying get them now or you can never get them.

 

At that point, you don't know what is going on with the Templars except that they have removed themselves to a stronghold. You do know that the mages have sold themselves into slavery with Tevinter and that the Magister has more or less taken over Redcliffe in an invasion. I guess how you choose to deal with it depends on how immediate you think that problem is relative to your need for Templars.

[Cerulione]

Oooh... Greg's singing the first round of The Dawn Will Come... and I can't help but imagine Cullen singing it at bad days...

 

 

 

Spoiler

She suggests that you go for them. She doesn't tell you it will be impossible to side with them ever if you don't at that point in time. You can interpret this to simply mean that she feels it will be safer to deal with a nest of mages with a big force of Templars who specialize in fighting mages.

 

She's not saying get them now or you can never get them.

 

At that point, you don't know what is going on with the Templars except that they have removed themselves to a stronghold. You do know that the mages have sold themselves into slavery with Tevinter and that the Magister has more or less taken over Redcliffe in an invasion. I guess how you choose to deal with it depends on how immediate you think that problem is relative to your need for Templars.

 

True...

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Still, dealing with tevinter mages vs dealing with weird templars... if not for meta gaming I'll go for templars with all the nobles. Especially if I'm not a mage myself

[queenhannah]

Very minor romance spoiler, marking it anyway.

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Every since I watched the chess scene for the first time yesterday I was wondering someone. When Cullen says "you said that" what do you guys think he meant by that? Is he trying to comprehend that it's real or something else? Perhaps he was thinking aloud? What do you guys think?

Ref: 

http://youtu.be/pajbKYZbc0g?t=1m41s

[R2s Muse]

Very minor romance spoiler, marking it anyway.

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Every since I watched the chess scene for the first time yesterday I was wondering someone. When Cullen says "you said that" what do you guys think he meant by that? Is he trying to comprehend that it's real or something else? Perhaps he was thinking aloud? What do you guys think?

Ref: 

http://youtu.be/pajbKYZbc0g?t=1m41s

I think it's because

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She's the one who originally says, "we should spend more time together." He says, "sure!" and She says (again), "yeah, me, too." (i.e., when it was her suggestion in the first place.)

 

Anyhoo, that's how I interpreted it.

[Sephirona]

Spoiler

She suggests that you go for them. She doesn't tell you it will be impossible to side with them ever if you don't at that point in time. You can interpret this to simply mean that she feels it will be safer to deal with a nest of mages with a big force of Templars who specialize in fighting mages.
 
She's not saying get them now or you can never get them.
 
At that point, you don't know what is going on with the Templars except that they have removed themselves to a stronghold. You do know that the mages have sold themselves into slavery with Tevinter and that the Magister has more or less taken over Redcliffe in an invasion. I guess how you choose to deal with it depends on how immediate you think that problem is relative to your need for Templars.

 
Yeah, while I admit my decision to side with the mages was mostly because I wanted to see Cullen's extra quest and how he deals with the new issues presented, I'd have to say that the plight of the mage faction seemed more urgent than that of the Templars at first glance, if only because I walked into Redcliffe first to follow up on Fiona's offer before I found out about what Lucius was up to. I do still think Fiona intended to ally herself with you all along and that she was manipulated into siding with Alexius using time travel, so it sort of felt like the Templars were just organizing themselves while the mages were trying to fight for their lives and were grasping at what they could get their hands on.
 
And I agree - I don't remember there being any indication from the advisors that siding with one meant forsaking the other, and I figured we just couldn't save both because helping one side first meant the other side was corrupted completely in that time period. The Breach was an immediate threat and the advisors' suggestions were due to what they felt would be the fastest, safest route to take in terms of negotiations, not because they felt that one side's ideals were more righteous than the other.
 

I think it's because

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She's the one who originally says, "we should spend more time together." He says, "sure!" and She says (again), "yeah, me, too." (i.e., when it was her suggestion in the first place.)

Anyhoo, that's how I interpreted it.

HAH. I hadn't thought of it that way, but that's an adorable interpretation. I thought he said "You said that...we should..." and then followed it up with "finish our game" because he literally could not think of what to say after reveling in the fact that she'd basically admitted to liking him too.

 

I love how awkward our flirts get after the first few either way. Both Cullen and the quizzy are just so awkward sometimes and itisabsolutelywhatwouldhappentomeirlinthesamesituationsoIsympathize

[duckley]

Having trouble with the end of the Before the Dawn. Cant find the location that I am supposed to go. I have completed all the steps, so not sure why the location isnt showing up on the war table.

[MelissaGT]

Interesting... seems like the patch has restored minor content here and there. Doing Solas' first quest in the Hinterlands with the elven artifacts for like the fourth or fifth time now, and for the first time there was an extra NPC involved, and a reward at the end. Never got that before.

 

Odd I got this from the beginning before the patch...

[Monica21]

I prefer the Templar side, recruitment quest and subsequent fallout, because:

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- I found the Envy quest overall better written than the Alexius one. Clearly defined purpose, interesting villain, very interesting moral challenging of who you are and who you will be. The mage quest got muddled up by a weak villain, a weak premise, timey-wimey, and a cliché time travel loop that I've seen in at least a dozen different Doctor Who episodes before. Plus, super charismatic character in Ser Barris, versus super wallpaper Felix.

 

- Through the Templar side you get decent introductions to both Cole and Dorian. Through mage side you are only introduced to Dorian, and Cole literally drops into your game out of thin air. I've seen many people complaining that Cole was never eased into the story and his first appearance was "random," and inevitably it turns out they played only mage side, so they never saw Cole's proper introduction. Which is very well done, creepy and unsettling as Cole ought to be, and gave me several opportunities to answer other people's doubts about him later with, he saved my life and I trust him okay.

 

- I already disliked Fiona from the books - the mage quest exacerbated that dislike into borderline hate. The one good thing mage side did better over Templar side, is that I got to see Alistair and Anora chew Fiona out for everything that needed to be said and no one was willing to say until then, but it's not worth putting up with Fiona for the rest of the game. I'm not content that she died an easy death on Templar side without actually paying for everything she's done, but at least the mages are free from her clutches now, and that's progress.

 

- I really, really disliked Samson's nemesis quest. Objectively, I found the Calpernia quest better written at large, and Calpernia herself a more compelling nemesis than Samson. Then, subjectively, I hated what this quest did to Samson, a character I really liked, I hated what it did to Cullen's emotional stability after I saw him so serene and content on the Templar side, I hated what it did to the Templars in general, and Maker I hate how there is no way to salvage Samson from the ruin they turned him into. Each one of his words at his judgement was like a punch in the face, and I was feeling like trash after finishing this quest.

 

- Have I mentioned Ser Barris yet because Ser Barris alone is worth everything, and his face when you promote him to Knight-Commander. I can't. I'm so proud of him I could cry. Precious thing.

 

You know,

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I'm doing mage-side right now and I hate it. I loved Cole's introduction. I think the Red Templars are just much more interesting villains, and I don't get Ser Barris. I haven't even gotten to Cullen's nemesis quest yet, but I might just backtrack and go templar-side (admittedly, trying to keep Ser Barris alive this time) because it's just... ugh. You have better words than I do, but I'm just not a fan of the mage-side playthrough so far.

[queenhannah]

I think it's because

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She's the one who originally says, "we should spend more time together." He says, "sure!" and She says (again), "yeah, me, too." (i.e., when it was her suggestion in the first place.)

 

Anyhoo, that's how I interpreted it.

I never though of it that way, ha.

It's cute either way. (:

[MelissaGT]

Wow, I think I might be the only one that actually prefers the mage side...

 

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It's not so much the mage part that I like better, it's what you get from it - Cullen's nemesis quest. Folks say that he seems more at ease if you go pro-templar, but I think it's just development on his part that you don't get to see since you spend that time with Leliana instead. Behind the scenes, I think Cullen would still be struggling with the realization that he could have ended up a red templar if things had been different - you just don't get to see it or talk to him about it. This is the #1 reason why I prefer to side with the mages each time.

 

I really can't stand Fiona, but getting Ser Barris doesn't outweigh the benefits of doing the Before the Dawn questline...at least in my opinion. I'm also not the biggest fan of Leliana - I never was (don't hit me please!). I'd rather spend more time with Cully-Wully, teehee. 

 

So in summary, if I could get the templars AND the Before the Dawn questline, I'd be there 100%. But, since it's either/or, I have to pick the latter.

[Sephirona]

Wow, I think I might be the only one that actually prefers the mage side...

 

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It's not so much the mage part that I like better, it's what you get from it - Cullen's nemesis quest. Folks say that he seems more at ease if you go pro-templar, but I think it's just development on his part that you don't get to see since you spend that time with Leliana instead. Behind the scenes, I think Cullen would still be struggling with the realization that he could have ended up a red templar if things had been different - you just don't get to see it or talk to him about it. This is the #1 reason why I prefer to side with the mages each time.

 

I really can't stand Fiona, but getting Ser Barris doesn't outweigh the benefits of doing the Before the Dawn questline...at least in my opinion. I'm also not the biggest fan of Leliana - I never was (don't hit me please!). I'd rather spend more time with Cully-Wully, teehee. 

 

So in summary, if I could get the templars AND the Before the Dawn questline, I'd be there 100%. But, since it's either/or, I have to pick the latter.

 

I agree, I prefer the mage side because of this extra development we see. I'd have loved to save both sides as well, but yeah - siding with the Templars still exposes the potential for Templars to be corrupted and either way I think this weakness to Lyrium in its various forms is something that will continue to bother Cullen until he is symptom free and in a position to advocate reform. That lyrium dependency and the issues that come with it will still be around even if you rescue the Templars from the terrible fate of resorting to red lyrium use when their withdrawal kicks in after their source of normal lyrium is severed. Red lyrium grants so much more power, and that is still very much open to abuse. The templar issue with red lyrium is going to continue to rear its ugly head, and Cullen's going to probably have to deal with it again either way. I liked helping him deal with it head on with my support.

 

That said, I can certainly appreciate that the storytelling was perhaps more invigorating or compelling on the Templar side, and I look forward to doing that playthrough soon too \o/

[Cerulione]

You know what scares me actually? Cole mentionned that Templars who took lyrium (I assume this include Cullen) got their body changed forever, they hear to a "song" or something like that.

 

I wonder whether Cullen will ever got off Lyrium without having withdrawal for the rest of his life, which seems probably.

[Penguin]

I think it's because

Spoiler

She's the one who originally says, "we should spend more time together." He says, "sure!" and She says (again), "yeah, me, too." (i.e., when it was her suggestion in the first place.)
 
Anyhoo, that's how I interpreted it.

That was my understanding as well. It's adorablly awkward, she suggested something then forgot and ends up agreeing it again. And I like Cullen's reaction to that sounds more genuinely happy than smug. They are both bad at this.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

You know what scares me actually? Cole mentionned that Templars who took lyrium (I assume this include Cullen) got their body changed forever, they hear to a "song" or something like that.

 

I wonder whether Cullen will ever got off Lyrium without having withdrawal for the rest of his life, which seems probably.

 

I swear all I can think about is Cullen being sterile because of the lyrium.   

[Hellion Rex]

You know what scares me actually? Cole mentionned that Templars who took lyrium (I assume this include Cullen) got their body changed forever, they hear to a "song" or something like that.

 

I wonder whether Cullen will ever got off Lyrium without having withdrawal for the rest of his life, which seems probably.

The song, the Blight, The Taint, lyrium, it's all connected.

 

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And as Bianca said, red lyrium is lyrium infected by the Blight, amplifying that calling.

 

[MelissaGT]

That was my understanding as well. It's adorablly awkward, she suggested something then forgot and ends up agreeing it again. And I like Cullen's reaction to that sounds more genuinely happy than smug. They are both bad at this.

 

Totally! Perfect awkward flirt...I'm totally that awkward when I try to flirt, lol.

[Ghrelt]

If it's the stage I think it is, I had the same problem yesterday.  Went out of skyhold three times and back to the table.  I finally found the mission in the middle of Orlais.  I couldn't see it because it wasn't lit up.

[KyndredRaven]

Guys, 

 

I would like to ask a huge favor. If anyone knows of any artist(s) who would be willing to do a commission piece for me for my fanfiction, I would be SO grateful. Willing to negotiate terms and possibly payment (I'm sort of poor, but I'm so passionate about this story that I'm willing to spend some money to have awesome art made for it). There are one or two ideas that I have in mind, and I would really love to have a cover made for the book. 

 

Please let me know! 

 

Thanks 

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

Guys, 

 

I would like to ask a huge favor. If anyone knows of any artist(s) who would be willing to do a commission piece for me for my fanfiction, I would be SO grateful. Willing to negotiate terms and possibly payment (I'm sort of poor, but I'm so passionate about this story that I'm willing to spend some money to have awesome art made for it). There are one or two ideas that I have in mind, and I would really love to have a cover made for the book. 

 

Please let me know! 

 

Thanks 

 

Have you looked on tumblr? There are quite a few artists on there that are part of the dragon age fan community that do commissions. 

[MelissaGT]

I swear all I can think about is Cullen being sterile because of the lyrium.   

 

Eh, even if that was the case (which it probably isn't - haven't we seen/heard stories of templar babies?) I don't think that would bother me. There's always kiddies out there that need homes. But that's just in my own opinion because I personally don't want kids myself.

 

But, since we're all different, isn't it great that they leave this stuff open for us to head-cannon?

[KyndredRaven]

Have you looked on tumblr? There are quite a few artists on there that are part of the dragon age fan community that do commissions. 

 

I'm Tumblr-tarded...meaning, I don't really know anything or anyone there. Any ones you could recommend specifically? I'm just now really starting to get into that whole schebang.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

I'm Tumblr-tarded...meaning, I don't really know anything or anyone there. Any ones you could recommend specifically? I'm just now really starting to get into that whole schebang.

 

Hah, I will have a look and post you some links. 

[KyndredRaven]

Hah, I will have a look and post you some links. 

Thanks so much!

[Sifr]

Eh, even if that was the case (which it probably isn't - haven't we seen/heard stories of templar babies?) I don't think that would bother me. There's always kiddies out there that need homes. But that's just in my own opinion because I personally don't want kids myself.

 

But, since we're all different, isn't it great that they leave this stuff open for us to head-cannon?

 

Plus the Inquisitor has their hands full already with the two kids they've already got, the innocently naive Cole and unruly tempest of destruction that is Sera... both of whom tend to have squabbles in the back of the car on long journeys.

[Teshayel]

Having trouble with the end of the Before the Dawn. Cant find the location that I am supposed to go. I have completed all the steps, so not sure why the location isnt showing up on the war table.

 

I had some issues with this one too. It just did not show up on the war table. I ended up loading my save from before I talked to Cullen about it, and then the operation was made available. After that is completed, you have a new location to go to and can finish the quest. Hope this helps