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[wicked_design]

I like Solas too!

[riverbanks]

Does anyone headcannoning that a Lavellan inquisitor might choose to go back to his/her own clan?

What do you think will happen if Cullen's romanced & Lady Lavellan wanted to go back to her clan (if possible?). Do they broke up? Does he leave everything & follow her? Does she decided to stay?

Even if Cullen wanted to follow Lavellan back, not a single Dalish clan would accept a shem among them - specially one coming in as Lavellan's lover, who would then only be able to produce human, thin-blooded children with him.

Either Lavellan would have to leave Cullen behind to return to her clan (if they even took her back, after this whole Andraste business), or she'd have to leave her clan behind to stay with Cullen. Or, you know, any of the love interests in general, since even the elven ones would be considered dirty flat-ears. Dalishquisitors, unfortunately, can't have it all.

[R2s Muse]

I know I am digging an old grave (how cheerful I am today) but I am at peace with Cullen's portrayal in DAi. Before the game was released it was hard for me to imagine him voluntarily leaving Templars, the order was deeply ingrained in him and he would have to go through a major identity crisys if he severed the ties. It must have happened gradually, over the course of few years after Hawke's shenaningans, when he was left in Kirkwall's ruin of a city, unfortunately off screen, which is a pity but that's how the writers rolled. *shrug* Maybe over that time he discovered that he enjoyed that role more, being in command, taking responsibility for others without the order, the rules and the whole baggage. He joined Templars when he was a very young boy and those dramatic circumstances might make him aware that there was an alternative.

As for whether he'd be a good candidate to restore the order? I am not sure anymore. I loved this part of his character and when I imagined him in the game (admittedly I though it would be just an extended cameo, as in da2) I could see him being involved in making a change, cause he was there and saw all the wrongs. However, in his almost 20 years of being a Templars he really went through some serious stuff. Considering that we have also witnessed a change in his attitudes towards the order, him slowly becoming disillusioned and simply disappointed how the ideals did not match the reality, it is not out of character that he would get burned out and lacked determination and idealism to push the order in a new direction. He was dutiful and dedicated in da2, 100% invested in the order that it felt there was no place for off duty Cullen in there.

In dai on the other hand it seems like with his decision of leaving Templars he gained a new energy and enthusiasm for life. He is still haunted by his past (nightmares, regrets, what ifs etc), but he is seizing the moment, trying to salvage some happiness (with Quizzy or not) and he's not letting anything (even his addiction) to overshadow it. Lyrium is a big problem here, since you cannot be a Templar when you try to stay clean of the stuff. I don't find the seekers' alternative that much better either. Initially I was slightly taken aback how considerably pain free the whole decision about the lyrium was in game (especially after all the grimy stuff we have learned in two earlier installments), but I guess devs did not want to focus on this particular aspect. I can headcanon that Cullen is extremely strong willed, driven and still quite young, hence capable of managing it to a better degree than some.

Tl;dr In character or not I just love to see him happy, regardless of where his future lies. It is quite a change to see him relaxed and smiling that I don't find his his portrayal overly grating. Curious to feel that I care so much about future of a bunch of pixels but here you go.

And since I might not survive till 4k celebration (got up at 5am today) here's my Quizzy being all happy romantic with Cullen. She absolutely adores him.

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Naw, I agree with all of this. I just wish I'd seen more of it instead of having to read between the lines about what happened off screen.

I mean he didn't get promoted after letting promage Hawke split. Yet he still led the Templars in Kirkwall? What the hey? So what happened? Who was Knight Commander then? Does this mean he was or was not at Lambert's meeting to nullify the Nevarran Accord?

Anyway, the more I think about it, the more I feel is left out. :/ But that's really just a sign of how invested I am in the character. It's unlikely they'd spend that many words on his back story.

[Cerulione]

Even if Cullen wanted to follow Lavellan back, not a single Dalish clan would accept a shem among them - specially one coming in as Lavellan's lover, who would then only be able to produce human, thin-blooded children with him.

Either Lavellan would have to leave Cullen behind to return to her clan (if they even took her back, after this whole Andraste business), or she'd have to leave her clan behind to stay with Cullen. Or, you know, any of the love interests in general, since even the elven ones would be considered dirty flat-ears. Dalishquisitors, unfortunately, can't have it all.

 

Yeah, sadly true. I wonder about non-mage lady Trevelyan too, since it's possible that her family won't want her to end up with someone who doesn't possess any titles or riches. Well, no confirmation on that so headcannon. Or they can just elope & live quietly somewhere.

 

And I don't know whether a mage Trevelyan can stay forever with Cullen. The Inquisition won't last forever, the point of an Inquisition is to restore order when needed, then disband. Afterward, whichever Divine you choose mages aren't still as free as they want. I wonder whether mage Trevelyan can stay outside a kind of reformed "Circle". Possibly, since Wynne definitely won her freedom by helping the Hero of Ferelden. Wish that Mage Trevelyan can be free too...

 

And what will Cullen do after the Inquisition...?

 

 

Naw, I agree with all of this. I just wish I'd seen more of it instead of having to read between the lines about what happened off screen.

I mean he didn't get promoted after letting promage Hawke split. Yet he still led the Templars in Kirkwall? What the hey? So what happened? Who was Knight Commander then? Does this mean he was or was not at Lambert's meeting to nullify the Nevarran Accord?

Anyway, the more I think about it, the more I feel is left out. :/ But that's really just a sign of how invested I am in the character. It's unlikely they'd spend that many words on his back story.

 

Word budget, word budget. I am willing to pay for any DLC to expand his story.

 

About the Nevarran Accord, I can only picture that Cullen's head might be on a pike if ever he was there. He might not agree to bow to Lord Seeker Lambert's will... That's a dangerous game.

[Lorien19]

So much Solas hate. I have to ask. To all those hating him and punching him and calling him racist, have you finished the game yet?

Naaw,I love Solas!He's exactly what I like in a character ambiguous,mysterious,grey,intelligent,wise and surprisingly snarky.At this point he even rivals Cullen for my love!
Although I like both of them for entirely different reasons.

[Lorien19]

Even if Cullen wanted to follow Lavellan back, not a single Dalish clan would accept a shem among them - specially one coming in as Lavellan's lover, who would then only be able to produce human, thin-blooded children with him.

Either Lavellan would have to leave Cullen behind to return to her clan (if they even took her back, after this whole Andraste business), or she'd have to leave her clan behind to stay with Cullen. Or, you know, any of the love interests in general, since even the elven ones would be considered dirty flat-ears. Dalishquisitors, unfortunately, can't have it all.

The Lavellan clan, appears to be quite progressive but I kind of agree.Even them would have trouble accepting a human as their own.

[MelissaGT]

Good lord no Dragon Age is better written than the sparkler vamps

 

Was gonna say - please don't do that to me! Don't make me even think about comparing the two together

[Cerulione]

Good lord no Dragon Age is better written than the sparkler vamps

 

Awww... I prefer Dorian as Sparkler instead of any blood-drinking humanoids with golden eyes...

 

 

Edit: Gawd, we're gonna go to page 4000 before tomorrow.

[wiccame]

Does anyone headcannoning that a Lavellan inquisitor might choose to go back to his/her own clan?

 

What do you think will happen if Cullen's romanced & Lady Lavellan wanted to go back to her clan (if possible?). Do they broke up? Does he leave everything & follow her? Does she decided to stay?

I ummm ended up getting my entire clan slaughtered so I don't think it's a option oooops

[neonmoth]

Naw, I agree with all of this. I just wish I'd seen more of it instead of having to read between the lines about what happened off screen.

I mean he didn't get promoted after letting promage Hawke split. Yet he still led the Templars in Kirkwall? What the hey? So what happened? Who was Knight Commander then? Does this mean he was or was not at Lambert's meeting to nullify the Nevarran Accord?

Anyway, the more I think about it, the more I feel is left out. :/ But that's really just a sign of how invested I am in the character. It's unlikely they'd spend that many words on his back story.

I just think that they focused on juicy, romantic bits and hand waved over the interesting stuff. They just assumed that's what we would be most interested in. Don't get me wrong, I love the romance content but I always appreciate learning more about the characters, seeing them develop and so on, so I would gladly trade a romantic scene or two for something with more meat. But hey, on some level I am still psyched that he'd made it into the game at all and he's is not a raging junkie so I am probably more forgiving than I should. I agree though, the more I think about things that were quite integral to his character the more I see the extent of the trade off. But if I got what I wanted the game would have to be called Dragon Age: The Cullen chronicles

[Ryriena]

Was gonna say - please don't do that to me! Don't make me even think about comparing the two together

hugs sorry I could barely get past chapter three in the first book and I tried really tired too read the book. I was like why do girls my age like this book again? Because this book sucks and some of the words used for the shapeshifter are wrong since I am a huge mythology and history nerd. She also mixed fairies from old with Vampires. Because they drank blood and sparkled or also took the first born child.

[CuriousArtemis]

Or, you know, any of the love interests in general, since even the elven ones would be considered dirty flat-ears. Dalishquisitors, unfortunately, can't have it all.

 

What...? Many clans take in city elves. 

[CuriousArtemis]

I just think that they focused on juicy, romantic bits and hand waved over the interesting stuff.

 

Well, considering who I romanced, it's not surprising that I think it was very sex-based and had little to do with getting to know the character and going on an emotional journey with them. This was probably the most shallow romance I've ever experienced in a BioWare game (though not Skyrim level of shallow ). I wonder if Cullen's was the same. 

[Cerulione]

What...? Many clans take in city elves. 

 

Some do, Merrill's clan took Pol the city elf from DA:O. Some are just jerks like Mihris'.

 

Elf's just like humans, there are nice & jerk ones.

 

 

 

Well, considering who I romanced, it's not surprising that I think it was very sex-based and had little to do with getting to know the character and going on an emotional journey with them. This was probably the most shallow romance I've ever experienced in a BioWare game (though not Skyrim level of shallow ). I wonder if Cullen's was the same. 

 

Solas?

 

Cullen's romance/personal arc is quite deep IMO. Lots of emotional moments, tons of heartfelt one.

[CuriousArtemis]

Some do, Merrill's clan took Pol the city elf from DA:O. Some are just jerks like Mihris'.

 

Elf's just like humans, there are nice & jerk ones.

 

Exactly

[Hellion Rex]

Some do, Merrill's clan took Pol the city elf from DA:O. Some are just jerks like Mihris'.

 

Elf's just like humans, there are nice & jerk ones.

Not gonna lie, kinda annoyed with her in DAI.

[neonmoth]

Well, considering who I romanced, it's not surprising that I think it was very sex-based and had little to do with getting to know the character and going on an emotional journey with them. This was probably the most shallow romance I've ever experienced in a BioWare game (though not Skyrim level of shallow ). I wonder if Cullen's was the same. 

Cullen's romance was more romantic than sex-based imo and it's a wonderful romance, actually one of my two favourites in Bio games. Still, considering that we have spent years thinking about his character, intersecting everything on the way, we have created questions that cannot be answered within a scope of the game. But the thirst lingers.

[Cerulione]

Not gonna lie, kinda annoyed with her in DAI.

 

Not gonna lie, really annoyed by her in TME.

[FFZero]

What...? Many clans take in city elves. 

They’ll take them in sure but it doesn’t mean that there isn’t a prejudice against them. I see it as the same sort of attitude nobles have about commoners, they are seen as lesser because they don’t come from a certain background so a dalish quzzie romancing a non-dalish elf would be frowned upon to some degree.

[CuriousArtemis]

Cullen's romance was more romantic than sex-based imo and it's a wonderful romance, actually one of my two favourites in Bio games. Still, considering that we have spent years thinking about his character, intersecting everything on the way, we have created questions that cannot be answered within a scope of the game. But the thirst lingers.

 

It's just for most of my past BioWare romances, the romance was intertwined with the love interest's personal story, and we grew together.

 

Fenris: Hawke wants to help his/her love get through this painful part of his life. Hawke helps Fenris heal as a friend, but as a lover, s/he is even more there for him.

 

Isabela: Hawke's trust in Isabela is shaken when she leaves, but when she returns, it shows how she's grown as a person. Hawke helps her deal with her troubles, and again, s/he can do this as a friend, but the quests are interlocked and interwoven with her romance.

 

Kaidan: Please  Especially with a male Shepard; this romance and UST stretches out over years; Kaidan has trust issues with Shepard and multiple times calls him/her out; Kaidan grows as a person, becomes a Spectre in his own right, and can be welcome back on board the Normandy and into female Shepard's arms, or a tentative romance can finally be begun with male Shepard. 

 

Zevran: A Crow to the bone, and the child of a prostitute, he is used to not taking sex seriously, especially after his first ill-fated love. As you help him defeat his old nemesis (and possible former lover), he comes to realize that he has fallen in love with you, and that that part of his life was false. He is capable of love and it's okay for him to give in to it and to trust you.

 

And now for my DAI experience...

 

Bull: You have sex a lot. Oh, and there's a safe word in case he hurts you.

 

 

[Narcia_]

Naw, I agree with all of this. I just wish I'd seen more of it instead of having to read between the lines about what happened off screen.

I mean he didn't get promoted after letting promage Hawke split. Yet he still led the Templars in Kirkwall? What the hey? So what happened? Who was Knight Commander then? Does this mean he was or was not at Lambert's meeting to nullify the Nevarran Accord?

Anyway, the more I think about it, the more I feel is left out. :/ But that's really just a sign of how invested I am in the character. It's unlikely they'd spend that many words on his back story.

 

I think he was probably just "acting knight commander" until he was recruited by Cassandra. I mean, as Meredith's number two and with circles imploding everywhere else, the order probably couldn't afford to send a senior officer out to Kirkwall. They might have felt it was a lost cause by that point, anyway. I would guess he didn't make it out to Lambert's meeting, but who knows?

 

Honestly I didn't expect to get as much content as we did. we'll have to pepper the writers with more questions ; )

[Cerulione]

It's just for most of my past BioWare romances, the romance was intertwined with the love interest's personal story, and we grew together.

 

Fenris: Hawke wants to help his/her love get through this painful part of his life. Hawke helps Fenris heal as a friend, but as a lover, s/he is even more there for him.

 

Isabela: Hawke's trust in Isabela is shaken when she leaves, but when she returns, it shows how she's grown as a person. Hawke helps her deal with her troubles, and again, s/he can do this as a friend, but the quests are interlocked and interwoven with her romance.

 

Kaidan: Please  Especially with a male Shepard; this romance and UST stretches out over years; Kaidan has trust issues with Shepard and multiple times calls him/her out; Kaidan grows as a person, becomes a Spectre in his own right, and can be welcome back on board the Normandy and into female Shepard's arms, or a tentative romance can finally be begun with male Shepard. 

 

Zevran: A Crow to the bone, and the child of a prostitute, he is used to not taking sex seriously, especially after his first ill-fated love. As you help him defeat his old nemesis (and possible former lover), he comes to realize that he has fallen in love with you, and that that part of his life was false. He is capable of love and it's okay for him to give in to it and to trust you.

 

And now for my DAI experience...

 

Bull: You have sex a lot. Oh, and there's a safe word in case he hurts you.

 

 

 

Cullen: An ex-templar, with his faith to the Order a bit shaken. As said by Blackwall, he had seen the best and worst of humanity and is still struggling with this. Still, he wants to protect people despite having problems on his own. As you help him cope with himself and his past and his lyrium problem, he can finally allow himself some happiness. He's there to support you too, get anxious of your well being and your feeling. He's strong, but stronger when you hold him dearly.

 

Nothing can beat Cullen's IMO

[Hellion Rex]

Not gonna lie, really annoyed by her in TME.

Oh, I straight up wanted to kill her in TME.

[CuriousArtemis]

Cullen: An ex-templar, with his faith to the Order a bit shaken. As said by Blackwall, he had seen the best and worst of humanity and is still struggling with this. Still, he wants to protect people despite having problems on his own. As you help him cope with himself and his past and his lyrium problem, he can finally allow himself some happiness. He's there to support you too, get anxious of your well being and your feeling. He's strong, but stronger when you hold him dearly.

 

Nothing can beat Cullen's IMO

 

I suspected as much Was just responding to some folks saying his romance was more about the lovin' and less about character growth.

[Cerulione]

I suspected as much Was just responding to some folks saying his romance was more about the lovin' and less about character growth.

 

Well, his whole personal arc outside the romance arc is character growth no? And well, he's been around since 2009... We just get to see a boy becoming a man. It's really like an old movie really, about this "Coming of Age" things.