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[R2s Muse]

I think he was probably just "acting knight commander" until he was recruited by Cassandra. I mean, as Meredith's number two and with circles imploding everywhere else, the order probably couldn't afford to send a senior officer out to Kirkwall. They might have felt it was a lost cause by that point, anyway. I would guess he didn't make it out to Lambert's meeting, but who knows?

Honestly I didn't expect to get as much content as we did. we'll have to pepper the writers with more questions ; )

but for pro templar Hawke, he *was* officially promoted to Commander. Bah. That switch still doesn't parse for me without more info.

[MelissaGT]

hugs sorry I could barely get past chapter three in the first book and I tried really tired too read the book. I was like why do girls my age like this book again? Because this book sucks and some of the words used for the shapeshifter are wrong since I am a huge mythology and history nerd. She also mixed fairies from old with Vampires. Because they drank blood and sparkled or also took the first born child.

 

HA, I read those books in my late 20's and I could never understand why they were so popular. As a "30 Something" I do enjoy a good "young adult" series now and then, if it's written well. For example, I really enjoyed the Harry Potter series because it gets uber dark, and I love love loved the Hunger Games series and to this day will argue that they aren't for kids. But Twilight - there was just no meat and all the characters were so weak...and sparkles? Um yeah no...

[R2s Muse]

Aaah R2s, care to explain? Because I can' see the parallels, (it's too perpendicular...)

One of the most (in)famous lines from the first book was about lions and lambs. Edward CULLEN being the lion in this scenario. Many a breast has been beaten over descrying that our Cullen is like that sparkly vampire.

[riverbanks]

He might be there, might feel unsafe to say openly (but this is just not so his character), keep quiet (or get his head on a pike), then just go on...

This whole "head on a pike" thing never happened, by the way. The way the conclave of Knight-Commanders where Lambert annuled the Nevarran accord was described in Asunder said that many Seekers and Knight-Commanders were vocally against it, heated arguments were had, and ultimately they were outvoted by the most radical minority (not unlike the Libertarians won the mage vote through Rhys, despite the Aequitareans being the majority, and against the rebellion)... but no was killed there, there was no inner bloody breakout.

I agree that Lambert's move is the perfect key place to pinpoint Cullen's decision to peace out, but if he was present at the conclave at all, I have a hard time seeing him staying quiet in a corner - specially since at this point he's Knigh-Commander of Kirkwall, the place where this whole mess started. He'd have been one of those having heated, angry arguments, until he was outvoted and could only fume about it and storm out and the hell away from that madness.

[R2s Muse]

It seems a few people are disappointed that Bioware ditched Cullen's lion helm. I wonder if I'm the only one who is happy they got rid of it? I just can't see covering the beautiful work of art that is Cullen's face.

Nopenope! I hates the creepy/silly lion helmet and all the questionable lion parallels!

[CuriousArtemis]

HA, I read those books in my late 20's and I could never understand why they were so popular. As a "30 Something" I do enjoy a good "young adult" series now and then, if it's written well. For example, I really enjoyed the Harry Potter series because it gets uber dark, and I love love loved the Hunger Games series and to this day will argue that they aren't for kids. But Twilight - there was just no meat and all the characters were so weak...and sparkles? Um yeah no...

 

Well Harry Potter is considered middle grade ^^ Hunger Games is definitely YA, but why do you think it shouldn't be? I personally dislike the ending and feel it is too nuanced for most Twilight-obsessed "Team Gale" or "Team Peeta" teens to understand, but that doesn't make it not YA.

[CuriousArtemis]

Nopenope! I hates the creepy/silly lion helmet and all the questionable lion parallels!

 

I'm glad it wasn't in game, too I thought it looked weird

[neonmoth]

*snippety*

the character's story arcs didn't seem to tie into the main plot as deeply as you'd think it would, Cassandra, Varric, and Cullen are heavily linked to huge chunks of the main and side quests, yet their arcs felt like little stand alone encounters with only the occasional nod towards their history surrounding it.

While Cullen's romance itself is indeed very squee-worthy and (in my opinion) on par with my love of Alistair, it was his story arc itself that lacked since the majority of his healing/growth happened between DA2 and DAI, which in turn left the romance aspect feeling a little too swift in it's progress, especially after the lyrium issue was solved in 3 scenes and 2 brief mentions.
*snip*

This was surprising to me too. Now with Cullen, since I thought that him being an advisor meant that he wouldn't have much of a content, I didn't mind it so much. But with Cass and Varric, I agree. The companion quests felt a bit short imo, with few exceptions. Cullen's nemesis quest was quite underwhelming too in the "going out together" department, but it rewarded with a good scene at the end.

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His Lyrium quest was beautiful but the issue was forgotten too quickly. I was surprised after the decision, there was practically no follow up, this is probably my biggest problem in here.

I know that some sacrifices were made in order to make the game bigger in scope, hence I am torn cause I love the scope. I shall never be pleased... Nah, who am I fooling, I am more than pleased. Even with little annoyances here and there I enjoyed it as much (or even more) than DAO. It definitely is a better time hog, since I could get lost forever in the world and not even one part dragged for me.

[KyndredRaven]

Guys, what was the name of that tool that let you switch camera angles at will in game?

[Hellion Rex]

Nopenope! I hates the creepy/silly lion helmet and all the questionable lion parallels!

And when he growls......

 

 

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Nopenope! I hates the creepy/silly lion helmet and all the questionable lion parallels!

 

As a Leo, I'm loving all the lion stuff.

[MelissaGT]

 

It's just for most of my past BioWare romances, the romance was intertwined with the love interest's personal story, and we grew together.

 

Fenris: Hawke wants to help his/her love get through this painful part of his life. Hawke helps Fenris heal as a friend, but as a lover, s/he is even more there for him.

 

Isabela: Hawke's trust in Isabela is shaken when she leaves, but when she returns, it shows how she's grown as a person. Hawke helps her deal with her troubles, and again, s/he can do this as a friend, but the quests are interlocked and interwoven with her romance.

 

Kaidan: Please  Especially with a male Shepard; this romance and UST stretches out over years; Kaidan has trust issues with Shepard and multiple times calls him/her out; Kaidan grows as a person, becomes a Spectre in his own right, and can be welcome back on board the Normandy and into female Shepard's arms, or a tentative romance can finally be begun with male Shepard. 

 

Zevran: A Crow to the bone, and the child of a prostitute, he is used to not taking sex seriously, especially after his first ill-fated love. As you help him defeat his old nemesis (and possible former lover), he comes to realize that he has fallen in love with you, and that that part of his life was false. He is capable of love and it's okay for him to give in to it and to trust you.

 

And now for my DAI experience...

 

Bull: You have sex a lot. Oh, and there's a safe word in case he hurts you.

 

 

 

Personally, I feel that Cullen's romance/development is way more in depth than anything you get in DA:2...just my opinion though. It was refreshing to have a romance where it's just two people meeting in the most unlikely of situations and falling in love. All the awkward bits of "Gee, does he like me?" and him doing the same and then it just happens. I just got the part in my Dalish mage's PT where she

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can ask Cullen if he has a problem with her personally because she's a mage - right after siding with the mages in Haven. I thought it was perfect, she flirted with him a couple times and didn't think much of it, he was a human after all. Now she sides with the mages and he calls her out on it, so she took it personally. It will be interesting to play this out in my head to spin that little bit of animosity into a romance.

. I love that no matter what race/class I play through, I can spin the romance arc differently.

 

And Kaidan? No way, lol. My Shep felt utterly betrayed by him in ME:2. She cried on her best bud's shoulder who had been with her through everything and she ended up falling for him. Who would that be? Garrus of course! And then Kaidan had THE GALL to accuse her of cheating on him after he totally dumped her in ME:2! Garrus x Shep forever! He is a very close 2nd to being my fav Bioware romance, behind Cullen.

 

And Iron Bull - I think his romance is deeper than just sex. It may start out like that, but it grows into way more. That's just a different kind of romance development.

[MelissaGT]

Switch Origin to "Offline," and you'll be able to play unpatched.

 

I think you just need to turn off auto-update in Origin options. I did this and my game won't update til I tell it to. 

[Little Princess Peach]

you know whats funny Cullsens voice actor did Anders's voice in awakening so it's like your romancing anders all over again

 

oh and here is my inquisitor

 

[CuriousArtemis]

And Iron Bull - I think his romance is deeper than just sex. It may start out like that, but it grows into way more. That's just a different kind of romance development.

 

Yes but it has nothing to do with his personal story or growth as a character (there isn't much of one... oh, he can decide he's Tal-Vashoth now and moan about that once or twice in banter, IF you're lucky enough to get it), which is the point I was trying to make.

 

The romance left me cold. I felt like I was just watching a string of love scenes. 

[Obvious_Shining]

[Hellion Rex]

you know whats funny Cullsens voice actor did Anders's voice in awakening so it's like your romancing anders all over again

Oh Lord.

 

I'd take DAA Anders any day of the week.

DA2 Anders, just nope.

[Hellion Rex]

[R2s Muse]

This whole "head on a pike" thing never happened, by the way. The way the conclave of Knight-Commanders where Lambert annuled the Nevarran accord was described in Asunder said that many Seekers and Knight-Commanders were vocally against it, heated arguments were had, and ultimately they were outvoted by the most radical minority (not unlike the Libertarians won the mage vote through Rhys, despite the Aequitareans being the majority, and against the rebellion)... but no was killed there, there was no inner bloody breakout.

I agree that Lambert's move is the perfect key place to pinpoint Cullen's decision to peace out, but if he was present at the conclave at all, I have a hard time seeing him staying quiet in a corner - specially since at this point he's Knigh-Commander of Kirwall, the place where this whole mess started. He'd have been one of those having heated, angry arguments, until he was outvoted and could only fume about it and storm out and the hell away from that madness.

However, it was not a split vote. It was unanimous. Lambert acknowledged that there were seeming doubters, but it doesn't sound like there was open heated debate.

Regardless, I agree. I would expect Cullen, if he were there, to come out if it further disheartened. I also wish he'd told us if this were the case. And not just a general "oh I don't believe in the Templars anymore."

To cerulion's earlier question, yes, the Accord was broken before Cass found Varric. Varric references the templar split.

I also have serious doubts that Cass had talked to Cullen before Varric, given her ignorance. But I've spent enough thread pages discussing that fact.

[Hellion Rex]

And Iron Bull - I think his romance is deeper than just sex. It may start out like that, but it grows into way more. That's just a different kind of romance development.

Agreed. I truly loved Bull's romance. He was an absolutely amazing guy. That said, my one caveat is that he should have started with the safe word stuff first. He should not have waited till the second one.

[Hellion Rex]

However, it was not a split vote. It was unanimous. Lambert acknowledged that there were seeming doubters, but it doesn't sound like there was open heated debate.

Regardless, I agree. I would expect Cullen, if he were there, to come out if it further disheartened. I also wish he'd told us if this were the case. And not just a general "oh I don't believe in the Templars anymore."

To cerulion's earlier question, yes, the Accord was broken before Cass found Varric. Varric references the templar split.

I also have serious doubts that Cass had talked to Cullen before Varric, given her ignorance. But I've spent enough thread pages discussing that fact.

You know, I never got the sense that Cullen was actually there at Lambert's final meaning.

[MelissaGT]

Well Harry Potter is considered middle grade ^^ Hunger Games is definitely YA, but why do you think it shouldn't be? I personally dislike the ending and feel it is too nuanced for most Twilight-obsessed "Team Gale" or "Team Peeta" teens to understand, but that doesn't make it not YA.

 

The whole story goes someplace really dark - blowing up kids in the streets..mass murder...war and revolution...stark descriptions of festering wounds. I dunno, I don't have kids but I can't imagine reading something like that when I was that age. Or maybe adults get something completely different out of it than kids do?

[CuriousArtemis]

Agreed. I truly loved Bull's romance. He was an absolutely amazing guy. That said, my one caveat is that he should have started with the safe word stuff first. He should not have waited till the second one.

 

Again, not saying he was not amazing lol I'm saying the romance was all sex/lovemaking. The romance was not linked to personal quests or character growth, the way they are in previous BW games.

[Milan92]

 

Dammit Cullen 

 

That's my waifu!

[CuriousArtemis]

The whole story goes someplace really dark - blowing up kids in the streets..mass murder...war and revolution...stark descriptions of festering wounds. I dunno, I don't have kids but I can't imagine reading something like that when I was that age. Or maybe adults get something completely different out of it than kids do?

 

YA is ages 12-18 or thereabouts. So yes, YA books often contain very dark content, including murder, rape, war, etc.