I know, right?!
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My last ditch guess is that some of the VAs did not agree (due to time or whatever other reasons) to read for the game. So although they were able to get Gideon Emery, they were not able to get one or all of the other four, and that would not have been fair to the players who romanced those guys.
Sort of like how all of the DA:O LIs had cameos? 
*looks at Zevran* Haha yeah you might be right though, it´s a good theory 
I would be fine with this though of course I prefer bi Cullen
I never understand why some prefer gated companions; I mean I doubt Cullen's straightness added awesome aspects to his personal story
Though Dorian's sexuality does of course add something to his story.
Yeah dem horny Greek gods
Some of us just prefer that companions have their own preferences
Sort of like how all of the DA:O LIs had cameos?
Well except Morrigan... people didn't complain much though, when I think about it, which is surprising lol!
They can take back their fugly DA2 cheating Zevran though, fine with me *hmph*
I would be fine with this though of course I prefer bi Cullen
Yeah dem horny Greek gods
because I like characters that are fully fleshed out and not just there to please the pc. when I write my own characters, they all have their own sexuality. i'm sure the writers of these characters see that in their own. also, as a bi dude, i hate my sexuality being included only as a game mechanism instead of being part of the character. : )
also, have any of you suffered the dreaded 'can't connect to ea servers to verify game?' bug after the patch? this is killing me slowly, and painfully. /gross sobbing/
I hope for that too, I wouldn't had to change my characters around so much if Cullen liked qunaris. And it would have been so cute.
Same, I went from being dead set on playing as a female qunari to dropping that playthrough alltogether, migh to a male qunari run and romance Cassandra but so far most of my quizzys are elves,mostly because I´m terrible at creating decent looking humans
Aaand now I´m imaging Adaar´s horns getting stuck on Cullen´s desk
Some of us just prefer that companions have their own preferences
Well bisexuality is a preference But I know what you mean.
I just don't get it. It's a personal thing. Like I had no interest in romancing Cullen with a qunari or dwarven lass but my heart hurts for those who wanted to do that. I'd rather make players happy than give a character in a video game a random preference.
I prefer gated companions simply because it's unrealistic if everyone is PC-sexual like they were in DA2. What your orientation is informs a lot about your and how you behave. Think about Dumbledore's backstory in Harry Potter. There was a lot of complexity there, enough that people were hotly debating his orientation. I'll admit to being annoyed when Rowling outed him because, frankly, that detail was unnecessary to the stories themselves even though it makes perfect sense when you look at his backstory again. You honestly don't need to know the orientations of any of Harry's teachers for the stories to work setting aside Snape for whom it is central to the plot, not even Hagrid although it provides an amusing side story.
However, to write a really good character, you do need an idea of these things for them. Dumbledore's back story would not have been nearly as interesting if Rowling didn't know that information for herself when she was writing about his past and it deepened what happened. It's just that WE the readers didn't need to know it because the depth was already there for us and Harry didn't need to know it to get what was needed for the plot to advance which is why it wasn't there.
So, to take that part of a character out is to deny them some of the depth they need to really live when you write them, IMO. Yes, it does have the side effect of gating them, but it also makes them more real.
because I like characters that are fully fleshed out and not just there to please the pc. when I write my own characters, they all have their own sexuality. i'm sure the writers of these characters see that in their own. also, as a bi dude, i hate my sexuality being included only as a game mechanism instead of being part of the character. : )
I can respect that 
Though they are there to please us; they are romance options in a video game, not real people. I'm also a writer, and I have several times written the same character in different settings/works and changed his/her sexuality to suit the story. Sexuality in a character is not, for me, part of his/her core make-up; it is something that I can freely change and not have to worry about losing what makes that character himself/herself.
In any case, bisexuality is just as much a preference as straight or gay, and I see no reason why those characters who are romance options shouldn't be bi, and those romanceable (if you don't like "available") to player characters of either gender.
No reason why non-romanceable characters can't be written as gay or straight though; I would love to see more gay NPCs PERIOD!
Well except Morrigan... people didn't complain much though, when I think about it, which is surprising lol!
They can take back their fugly DA2 cheating Zevran though, fine with me *hmph*
But imagine frostbite 3 Zevran Haha I shouldn´t complain though,he probably would have ended up getting killed if he was in DA:I,which reminds me, I made Here Lies the Abyss extra difficult this time around
So, are we doing the page 4000 thing?
Well bisexuality is a preference
I just don't get it. It's a personal thing. Like I had no interest in romancing Cullen with a qunari or dwarven lass but my heart hurts for those who wanted to do that. I'd rather make players happy than give a character in a video game a random preference.
But the problem with that is it can potentially interfere with what the writers want to do, and imo that should be more important than making the players happy
Can we just leave the circular arguments about character sexuality behind us? It's been chewed over and over and over, and nothing we say is going to change the characters. They are what they are.
But imagine frostbite 3 Zevran
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So... everyone getting their screenies ready for the big 4,000?
Where is R2 to quote the ground rules again?
I can respect that
In any case, bisexuality is just as much a preference as straight or gay, and I see no reason why those characters who are romance options shouldn't be bi, and those romanceable (if you don't like "available") to player characters of either gender.
No reason why non-romanceable characters can't be written as gay or straight though; I would love to see more gay NPCs PERIOD!
but they don't write a character around being romanced. they even stated they write the character, their sexuality, and then choose who will be romancable. plus, if they were all bi and ungated, we would not have this many being romancable in the first place. (animations and resources) and just as bisexuality is a preference, so is gay and straight and main characters can reflect that too. lol but i see why you like it, even if i disagree. i was simply stating my opinion in response to the 'can't see why anyone likes it' and why i do. (not trying to argue)
and 4000, wow. i can't wait for the talent. i have less then none, but i can't wait to see what you guys come up with.
This is going down a deep dark road but I'll reply this one time
I prefer gated companions simply because it's unrealistic if everyone is PC-sexual like they were in DA2.
They were bisexual in DA2. I can assure you that bisexual people are perfectly realistic
But even if they were confirmed as PC-sexual, they are characters, not real people. A writer can change a character's sexuality quite easily. And in an RPG, you are, to some degree, the "writer" of your character's story. So in my Hawke's story, Fenris was gay. I can replay with a female Hawke, and in her story, he is straight. I can replay a third Hawke who romanced Fenris but dumped him for Anders, and in his story, Fenris later hooks up with Isabela, and thus is bisexual.
What your orientation is informs a lot about your and how you behave.
Think about Dumbledore's backstory in Harry Potter. There was a lot of complexity there, enough that people were hotly debating his orientation. I'll admit to being annoyed when Rowling outed him because, frankly, that detail was unnecessary to the stories themselves even though it makes perfect sense when you look at his backstory again. You honestly don't need to know the orientations of any of Harry's teachers for the stories to work setting aside Snape for whom it is central to the plot, not even Hagrid although it provides an amusing side story.
I would not consider Dumbledore's backstory particular complex lol Rowling doesn't really do... complex characterization
The only problem I have with Rowling "outing" her own character post-publication is that she should have made it blatantly obvious that Dumbledore and what's-his-name were a couple; it was cowardly to do it after the fact.
However, to write a really good character, you do need an idea of these things for them.
Well, yes lol However, choosing to make a character bisexual does not make her "less real" than if you had chosen to make her straight.
However, if you decide to scrap that original story, and rewrite the character in a new story, but this time make her gay, she is still the same character. Maybe you've placed her in a world where being gay is severely stigmatized, so that will affect her narrative. But she is still essentially the same character as when you wrote her the first time (assuming you changed nothing else).
We're getting close to 4000, right? I'm grading finals so I should shush now
Will do
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Hm now I sort of want to try it for science just to see what he says
Does anyone mind if we try to slow it down. I still haven't finished my fic, whelp. But I do know it is not all about me so feel free to yell "No, you need to hurry your ass up, Boom!" No throwing shoes though.
Does anyone mind if we try to slow it down. I still haven't finished my fic, whelp. But I do know it is not all about me so feel free to yell "No, you need to hurry your ass up, Boom!" No throwing shoes though.
Finished it for what?
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Oh, so we can post a link to a story on there?
However, to write a really good character, you do need an idea of these things for them. Dumbledore's back story would not have been nearly as interesting if Rowling didn't know that information for herself when she was writing about his past and it deepened what happened. It's just that WE the readers didn't need to know it because the depth was already there for us and Harry didn't need to know it to get what was needed for the plot to advance which is why it wasn't there.
So, to take that part of a character out is to deny them some of the depth they need to really live when you write them, IMO. Yes, it does have the side effect of gating them, but it also makes them more real.
You make some really great points about how characters in Harry Potter benefited from their romantic preference for certain people, thank you for that insight!
Honestly I'm straight but I wouldn't mind if Cullen was presented as bisexual because either way, he ends up with the one person (you) in your personal playthrough. Even if he was attracted to dudes as well as girls it doesn't strike me as any different from him being able to appreciate another girl's beauty while in a relationship with me. He's already established that he's a one-woman kind of guy when he tells you at the ball that
But that's just my personal opinion, and I know it's very much situational. I can't see Dorian being anything other than gay, for one, because if he had been bi he might not have fought so hard against the idea of marrying a woman and his whole story arc would have played out much, much more differently than it did.
Finished it for what?
Page 4000 celebration. I promised smut, it is half done. Half done I tell you all. I am sorry I could pull myself away from the game last night to finish it.
@Artemis, I stand corrected about what I said happened in that bit of banter I was referring to.
End game stuff.
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