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[MelissaGT]

I was outside skyhold when I ran it so I will try again and report back!

 

Woohoo it worked!

[alwayshungry]

http://cccrystalclea...re-if-a-romance

[Sephirona]

still the way the inquisitor says I think I know the answer to that. To me it felt like she thinks he would kill her. So when he said I don't think you know. it felt more like. "I should kill you but I don't think I ever could". Maybe it was just ment to feel like it could mean both depending on how someone interprets it? 

 

Yeah, I agree.  Even though I know he tells your Amell/Surana that he would have done it in the past because he was commanded to do it by the Chantry/The Maker/his bosses ("I serve the Chantry and the Maker, and I will do as I'm commanded"), he no longer wants to serve single-mindedly and I feel like the revelation that all people are corruptible (sometimes against their will) makes him more conflicted about it than he used to be if he's in a romance with you. If you aren't in a romance with him or he breaks it off because you force him to take lyrium because "duty first", his answer is a LOT more straightforward and cold because you are forcing him to do his duty under a figure of authority once again.

 

Personally, I would have wanted him to do it (and I'd have liked the chance to tell him that) because I wouldn't want to have my fleshsuit piloted around sowing chaos and destruction either. I can't bear the thought of him faltering now because he finally thought he'd found forever with my Quizzy only to have it ripped away - and I don't want to see him let himself die because of my Quizzy.

 

What I am curious about is whether it's possible to exorcise demons from a body given enough manpower and lyrium the way we could with Connor, because that would be nice. It always seemed strange to me that the Circles would just slaughter the abominations when they had dozens of mages and lots of lyrium at their disposal and saving Connor was a thing. Sentencing them to immediate death because they were too weak to resist possession in the first place is still pretty cruel, doubly so when you see how people can be coerced against their will into possession under extenuating circumstances. Unless there's some dialogue I missed that addresses the issue. Is it only possible with desire demons or other demons that don't mutate your body beyond repair...?

[rpgfan321]

Maybe, since they've already developed the landscape, it'll happen in a DLC. Would make sense since that's his home ground (and a pretty spot).

I wonder if the scenery changes if you clear out Crestwood because I was sure that place looked like Crestwood. 

[rpgfan321]

Yeah, I agree.  Even though I know he tells your Amell/Surana that he would have done it in the past because he was commanded to do it by the Chantry/The Maker/his bosses ("I serve the Chantry and the Maker, and I will do as I'm commanded), he no longer wants to serve single-mindedly and I feel like the revelation that all people are corruptible (sometimes against their will) makes him more conflicted about it than he used to be if he's in a romance with you. If you aren't in a romance with him or he breaks it off because you force him to take lyrium because "duty first", his answer is a LOT more straightforward and cold because you are forcing him to do his duty under a figure of authority once again.

 

Personally, I would have wanted him to do it (and I'd have liked the chance to tell him that) because I wouldn't want to have my fleshsuit piloted around sowing chaos and destruction either. I can't bear the thought of him faltering now because he finally thought he'd found forever with my Quizzy only to have it ripped away - and I don't want to see him let himself die because of my Quizzy.

 

What I am curious about is whether it's possible to exorcise demons from a body given enough manpower and lyrium the way we could with Connor, because that would be nice. It always seemed strange to me that the Circles would just slaughter the abominations when they had dozens of mages and lots of lyrium at their disposal and saving Connor was a thing. Sentencing them to immediate death because they were too weak to resist possession in the first place is still pretty cruel, doubly so when you see how people can be coerced against their will into possession under extenuating circumstances. Unless there's some dialogue I missed that addresses the issue. Is it only possible with desire demons or other demons that don't mutate your body beyond repair...?

Hmm, I don't think I ever could tell Cullen to take lyrium again to have that dialogue option play out for me  

 

But wouldn't the strength of the demon play a part in how difficult the exorcism is? I mean the process to de-demonize Conner was difficult; there were a lot of loops to jump through, but the demon in question was a desire demon. Granted, desire demon is powerful but in the demon hierarchy, there are greater, more powerful demons. In the case of a Mage Inquisitor, more powerful demons would be attracted to him/her, wouldn't it? Then it would take a lot more powerful mages and lyrium to execute the process. And the Inquisitor is a powerful mage. I don't know who else can trump over her (other than your mage!HoF ;P) 

 

Also I think I read somewhere in DA novels, possibly TME or Asunder, that demonic possession - and to be freed from it - is no easy thing. That it scars you for life? Sometimes alters your soul or something? Which is understandable given how supernatural the whole thing is in the first place. 

[fontofnothing]

Quick question about the Temple of Mythal thing

 

Spoiler

Do the advisors comment on any changes seen in your Inquisitor's behaviour if you choose to drink from the well instead? Leliana comments on Morrigan's change, so I was wondering if they mention it? Particularly Cullen if you're romancing him.

 

Managed to grab these screenshots of the War Table banter between Leliana and Cullen:

 

Spoiler

 

[Eldrid]

I wish i could tell the nobleman who touch his butt, "It's ok, I can't help touching it too" lol Poor poor Cullen will be a blonde haired strawberry by then

[amber2403]

I finally beat the game and romanced Cullen. So now I can rejoin the forum. I had to stay away because the temptation to read the spoilers were too great.

[rpgfan321]

Managed to grab these screenshots of the War Table banter between Leliana and Cullen:

 

Spoiler

 

I'm sorry, but .... Lake Calenhad does not look like a bunny to me, lol XD

[Panda]

Yeah, I agree.  Even though I know he tells your Amell/Surana that he would have done it in the past because he was commanded to do it by the Chantry/The Maker/his bosses ("I serve the Chantry and the Maker, and I will do as I'm commanded"), he no longer wants to serve single-mindedly and I feel like the revelation that all people are corruptible (sometimes against their will) makes him more conflicted about it than he used to be if he's in a romance with you. If you aren't in a romance with him or he breaks it off because you force him to take lyrium because "duty first", his answer is a LOT more straightforward and cold because you are forcing him to do his duty under a figure of authority once again.

 

Personally, I would have wanted him to do it (and I'd have liked the chance to tell him that) because I wouldn't want to have my fleshsuit piloted around sowing chaos and destruction either. I can't bear the thought of him faltering now because he finally thought he'd found forever with my Quizzy only to have it ripped away - and I don't want to see him let himself die because of my Quizzy.

 

What I am curious about is whether it's possible to exorcise demons from a body given enough manpower and lyrium the way we could with Connor, because that would be nice. It always seemed strange to me that the Circles would just slaughter the abominations when they had dozens of mages and lots of lyrium at their disposal and saving Connor was a thing. Sentencing them to immediate death because they were too weak to resist possession in the first place is still pretty cruel, doubly so when you see how people can be coerced against their will into possession under extenuating circumstances. Unless there's some dialogue I missed that addresses the issue. Is it only possible with desire demons or other demons that don't mutate your body beyond repair...?

 

Well to me it feels like Connor's case is more like oddity. There is tons of abominations in the DA series but we just kill them without even having option to save people. Maybe there was something different about the Connor, most of abominations are transmutated but he wasn't. He was also able to break free at times, to me it seemed more like demon was controlling his mind but not fully possessed his body. So maybe there is different stages of possession.

[Monica21]

I'm sorry, but .... Lake Calenhad does not look like a bunny to me, lol XD

 

 

Hehe... the top bit is kind of like the ears, and the bottom under the word "Ferelden" is the fluffy tail! But yeah, you kind of have to squint.... :/

[fontofnothing]

I'm sorry, but .... Lake Calenhad does not look like a bunny to me, lol XD

 

Hah, really? I can't unsee it. Thanks a lot, Cullen. 

[Akaneryuu]

I'm sorry, but .... Lake Calenhad does not look like a bunny to me, lol XD

you need to squint your eyes a little when looking at it

[Narcia_]

In mine it was Cullen teasing Leliana about her caring for Morrigan, lol.

Silly question, but if Leliana romanced a female mage warden, does she remark on Cullen's crush at all? I don't imagine he would make any extra comments about it, but I was just curious if anyone played with that world state.

[R2s Muse]

I wonder if the scenery changes if you clear out Crestwood because I was sure that place looked like Crestwood. 

Presumably it was near where he grew up in Honnleath, tho, right? Since it was a childhood refuge?

[Sephirona]

Hmm, I don't think I ever could tell Cullen to take lyrium again to have that dialogue option play out for me

 

But wouldn't the strength of the demon play a part in how difficult the exorcism is? I mean the process to de-demonize Conner was difficult; there were a lot of loops to jump through, but the demon in question was a desire demon. Granted, desire demon is powerful but in the demon hierarchy, there are greater, more powerful demons. In the case of a Mage Inquisitor, more powerful demons would be attracted to him/her, wouldn't it? Then it would take a lot more powerful mages and lyrium to execute the process. And the Inquisitor is a powerful mage. I don't know who else can trump over her (other than your mage!HoF ;P) 

 

Also I think I read somewhere in DA novels, possibly TME or Asunder, that demonic possession - and to be freed from it - is no easy thing. That it scars you for life? Sometimes alters your soul or something? Which is understandable given how supernatural the whole thing is in the first place. 

 

Yeah haha, when I saw the video of his new reaction I just nope'd right on out of that browser window. There's no way I'll ever do that to him, it's just too cruel.

 

And that does sound likely. I can see how more powerful demons would be attracted to the Quizzy, and how that would make exorcism harder. I still find it unfortunate that resources couldn't be spared for all the other young mages going through their harrowings over the years. I know the Chantry controls the lyrium trade, so I guess that means they only allocated a certain amount of lyrium to each Circle on purpose. By 17-18 years old people are mature in body but everyone's sense of self grows at a different pace and in such a fear-filled environment I didn't think it was fair to expect them to have to make a life or death decision at such a young age, if at all. 

 

I haven't had the chance to read the DA novels yet so perhaps I should, thank you for bringing that up! I couldn't see anything wrong with Connor in Inquisition other than his understandable guilt over what he put Redcliffe through ten years back so I figured it wouldn't hurt to at least have exorcism as a more humane option. I know Cassandra seems to find the idea of tranquility objectionable after she recovers the Seeker tome, but I haven't finished Inquisition so I've yet to see how she tackles the reformation of Circles/Templars in the first place.

[SpiritMuse]

I just talked to Cullen about the Templar spec

Spoiler

I gave the reason that Templars sacrifice to help others and he says: "In Haven, you nearly... I know what you are willing to give..." in such a soft, emotion filled voice that now I am in a puddle on the floor.

[Sister Goldring]

So completely irrelevant comment but I've just decided that the absolute best thing about the Sims 4 is actually reading the patch notes on their forum. Whoever the sim guru is that writes them is funny.

I hate the sims 4 but I'm going to patch my game now anyway out of respect for their amusing notes.

PS - Cullen, he's a bit lovely....am I right.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

So completely irrelevant comment but I've just decided that the absolute best thing about the Sims 4 is actually reading the patch notes on their forum. Whoever the sim guru is that writes them is funny.

I hate the sims 4 but I'm going to patch my game now anyway out of respect for their amusing notes.

PS - Cullen, he's a bit lovely....am I right.

 

Lol, I see what you did there. 

[alwayshungry]

So completely irrelevant comment but I've just decided that the absolute best thing about the Sims 4 is actually reading the patch notes on their forum. Whoever the sim guru is that writes them is funny.

I hate the sims 4 but I'm going to patch my game now anyway out of respect for their amusing notes.

PS - Cullen, he's a bit lovely....am I right.

He's alright

[Tishina]

Well to me it feels like Connor's case is more like oddity. There is tons of abominations in the DA series but we just kill them without even having option to save people. Maybe there was something different about the Connor, most of abominations are transmutated but he wasn't. He was also able to break free at times, to me it seemed more like demon was controlling his mind but not fully possessed his body. So maybe there is different stages of possession.

I believe there's some dialogue in DAO that it was only possible to free him because he agreed to be possessed?

[rpgfan321]

Yeah haha, when I saw the video of his new reaction I just nope'd right on out of that browser window. There's no way I'll ever do that to him, it's just too cruel.

 

And that does sound likely. I can see how more powerful demons would be attracted to the Quizzy, and how that would make exorcism harder. I still find it unfortunate that resources couldn't be spared for all the other young mages going through their harrowings over the years. I know the Chantry controls the lyrium trade, so I guess that means they only allocated a certain amount of lyrium to each Circle on purpose. By 17-18 years old people are mature in body but everyone's sense of self grows at a different pace and in such a fear-filled environment I didn't think it was fair to expect them to have to make a life or death decision at such a young age, if at all. 

 

I haven't had the chance to read the DA novels yet so perhaps I should, thank you for bringing that up! I couldn't see anything wrong with Connor in Inquisition other than his understandable guilt over what he put Redcliffe through ten years back so I figured it wouldn't hurt to at least have exorcism as a more humane option. I know Cassandra seems to find the idea of tranquility objectionable after she recovers the Seeker tome, but I haven't finished Inquisition so I've yet to see how she tackles the reformation of Circles/Templars in the first place.

I missed Conner in Redcliffe so I never had the chance to meet him again in Inquisition, but I can understand if he feels guilty over what happened now that he knows more of magic. 

 

And using a lot of lyrium doesn't constitute an immediate success in the demon exorcism. It just guarantees that with a lot of lyrium, a mage has the ability to connect with the Fade in order to see what state the possessed is in. What does matter in who wins or loses is the willpower of the mage doing the exorcism. As well as the possessed mage and the the demon in question. So, willpower. 

 

And if Chantry is coming into play in terms of how much lyrium can be used, you also have to account for Inquisition's enemies in the Chantry, the politics.... my list can go on. I mean such a thing were to happen to the Inquisitor, there are plenty of enemies out there who would call for ... more drastic measures than give the Inquisitor a chance. 

[Panda]

I believe there's some dialogue in DAO that it was only possible to free him because he agreed to be possessed?

 

Might be.. in TME dalish mage agreed to get possessed and they were able to seperate demon out of her (though this time demon left on his own will) and she lived. So I guess there is case where the possession just isn't complete and demon can just leave or be forced to out. But sometimes when the whole body is twisted and mind of person fully intertwined with demons or destroyed it isn't anymore.

[rpgfan321]

Might be.. in TME dalish mage agreed to get possessed and they were able to seperate demon out of her (though this time demon left on his own will) and she lived. So I guess there is case where the possession just isn't complete and demon can just leave or be forced to out. But sometimes when the whole body is twisted and mind of person fully intertwined with demons or destroyed it isn't anymore.

Obviously when a mage gets to the stage of being an abomination, there isn't that much to save ;_; as seen in the games. 

 

I guess there are different stages to the possession or depends on the demon really. Like in TME, the demon took his time? And for some, the effects were immediate. Does it matter if the demons are more conscious and aware of their powers? Rage demons vs pride demons are in different tiers and sentience, iirc. 

 

But I think mage Inquisitor would work her darn best not to get possessed XD. Wouldn't want to do that to our dear Commander But I think about this ... because ... reasons.... 

[Chrys]

I had trouble seeing the bunny at first but now it's the only thing I see when I look at the lake xD