Cullen?! Or am I asking too much.
Lol, I think the days of Cullen may be coming to end...well other than for an appearance if the IQ romanced him. He also seems to be Bioware's new marketing tool, lol! However, I think anything major for Cullen is coming to an end. I just really hope every romance gets dialogue and actual cutscenes in the future DLC.
I personally thought this could in fact be referring to his crush and that Cole goes on to talk about Cullen being different because he didn't take advantage of his position of authority or abuse people out of fear. It almost sounds like he was looking for someone who looks like Amell/Surana to protect from other Templars who would hurt her, because he's learned that other Templars have done it out of fear or twisted pleasure in Kirkwall
But that doesn't go with the rest of the thought: "Stalking the grounds" and "Always some rule being broken." That sounds like some obsessed Templar looking for something wrong so they can take their rage or fear out on someone (continuing from Cole's trail of thought that some Templars enjoy hurting mages because it makes them less afraid). It doesn't sound protective at all, if anything it sounds like a very dangerous person looking for trouble anywhere even where there isn't any. First time I heard this line I thought it was about Meredith, for instance - I thought the "her" was her sister, and the "always some rule being broken" immediately took me to Meredith's obsession with tilting at windmills. The second time I thought it could even be about Alrik and his rape gang. I don't know, it just doesn't sound sweet or protective at all, to me it sounds exactly like the kind of creepy obsessive behavior I don't wanna associate with Cullen.
eta: since I missed the discussion over the last couple pages while replying, I should probably add a disclaimer to this that I'm pretty creeped out by the whole Cullen/mage Warden thing overstaying its welcome too, so that probably colors my view of this and it's probably why I don't see anything romantic in the idea of him pining for some high school crush a decade later to the point of "stalking the grounds" for a familiar face. It's a good thing that neither my Warden nor my Inquisitor are mages, so this whole thing doesn't exist in my game, because that's the kind of subtext that would creep me out of a romance fast. My Cullen ended up pretty vanilla, lol. Liked some cute chick in high school for five minutes, got over it and moved on with life, worked himself to exhaustion through his twenties, at some point in his thirties met some other badass chick, put a ring on it, and they lived happily ever after with no ghosts of the past haunting their relationship. Guess I just like him better high on cute and low on angst.
I 100% agree with you here. I would have loved to see it be more gradual, too.
Well of course there's all this angst but in the end they overcome it, and there is a happily ever after. I love a good happy ending. I just like to see the storm before the rainbow type of thing.
In games, books, films, etc there usually needs to be some sort of hardship (be it in the romance itself or situations occurring outside of/around it) to make the relationship worth fighting for and all the more sweet if/when it succeeds.
This is another reason why I feel that they should've kept the Inquisitor's anchor hand wound as a serious threat to his/her health all the way through the game. If stabilising the breach had merely dulled it's effects to be slowly killing him/her instead then that would've been a personal reason to defeat Corypheus and get that orb off him/destroy it (since the orb is what caused the mark in the first place, which then becomes corrupted by Corypheus... you can tell because it starts glowing red, LOL!) AND would've added more to the inquisitor's personal and romantic motivations throughout the game, for example:
"I'm gonna shag around because screw it I'm dying anyway, so let's have some fun",
"I'm gonna avoid relationships because I don't want them to grow attached to me if I'm gonna die"
"omg I'm falling for this person but I'm dying ANGST AHOY!"
"bugger it, let's just be really reckless with my decisions in this game because yolo!"
And so on. Then of course if you prepared for the final battle and worked super hard then you'd survive it, or you could purposely sacrifice yourself by using your magic hand to kill corypheus but in doing so draining you of your life, etc etc blah blah blah. By having that whole "**** I'm dying (albeit slowly)" situation there not only adds a sense of urgency, but creates the opportunity for your external injection of angst into what would/could otherwise be a nice easy romance.
Such a missed opportunity.
She definitely won't be, but I'd kill for it to be Vivienne. I'd say it's most likely to be Dorian considering we'll probably be heading north for DA4.
I don't know I thought of Vivienne being in it again as a companion too. I mean she isn't romance...the guy she somewhat loved is well we know what happened to him. She is pretty much open and imo a great character...the only problems would be the fact of being the Grand Enchanter, Divine, etc.
The romance I thought that was the most lacking was Josie's. I really thought the whole "fighting for the one you love" was a cool scene, but kind of...stereotypical for a character like hers.
Cass's romance I thought was one of the best in the whole game, she actually knocked Leliana down for me.
Josie's future husband is hot, if I was Josie I'd be ALL over that! 
Lol, I think the days of Cullen may be coming to end...well other than for an appearance if the IQ romanced him. He also seems to be Bioware's new marketing tool, lol! However, I think anything major for Cullen is coming to an end. I just really hope every romance gets dialogue and actual cutscenes in the future DLC.
I think you just broke my heart! 
I just need to keep getting my Cullen and original DA crew. I really wish they hadn't made this one 10 years after the original. Considering Alistair and Warden technically only have a max of 30 years, then their days are numbered. Hopes Warden finds that cure!
Aww hahaha, I actually imagined it to be far, far more cheerful and happy in my head. The way I saw it, Amell and Cullen were kept apart due to societal constructs and restrictions that were out of their control. Things went bad, but that's the way fate meant it to happen. Now, in Inquisition, we are literally tearing down the very foundations of those constructs in the first place. We're advocating change, reform - we have mages, Templars, Qunari, elves, the traditionally oppressed and the traditional oppressors, all fighting under one banner. We're defying the fates that the gods had assigned to us generations ago, and since I have the power to bend reality and time in my bare hand I figure I'm well within my rights to imagine that the barriers of fate that kept my Amell's kind and gentle soul from being with Cullen's kind and gentle soul can be torn down as well. Oops, my sunshiny optimism is showing. LOL. Sorry.
But yeah, that's just how I'm comfortable headcanoning it. But I have to agree that I don't think Cullen was going to ask about Surana/Amell's romance with Leliana. I think he just felt guilty about how he treated her, and that doesn't mean he still has to be infatuated with her. Cullen's always been rather gentlemanly, and it probably doesn't sit well with him that he wasn't able to apologize for a mistake he made. Maybe he's even worried that Leliana thinks poorly of him because of something Amell might have said. You can prob look at Leliana's jests as a lighthearted way of reassuring him that Amell didn't hold any grudges.
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Love how you nail the whole thing. Well I like bittersweet stories so...
My question now is if any companions will be a companion in DA4. Anders was came from DA:A and went to DA II. Varric went from DA II to DA:I. Now who will come from DA:I?
Cullen will live through DA:I no matter what. But making him back... I don't know, he won't be romanceable for sure. Same reason that Leliana is not romanceable anymore in DA:I, some people might have romanced her in previous game.
Well, I might prefer Cullen not being companion... I mean, I'm not sure that by the time DA4 get out I'll be able to move on from him. It takes years before I moved from Alistair to Cullen.
It'll be trying to have Cullen as Companion with all the interactions... and not able to romance him once again.
Lol, I think the days of Cullen may be coming to end...well other than for an appearance if the IQ romanced him. He also seems to be Bioware's new marketing tool, lol! However, I think anything major for Cullen is coming to an end. I just really hope every romance gets dialogue and actual cutscenes in the future DLC.
I would prefer him not to turn up in future games if they're gonna keep trying to make me pick between who to kill out of them, LOL! I don't mind hearing from him or about him in regards to my Inquisitor romancing him, I'd like to know that they're still together, but beyond that I'd prefer no more cameos. I don't trust BioWare not to hurt them.
the only thing i have to say about Cullen's VA is that playing his romance with headphones on was an experience, and let's leave at that.
I don't know I thought of Vivienne being in it again as a companion too. I mean she isn't romance...the guy she somewhat loved is well we know what happened to him. She is pretty much open and imo a great character...the only problems would be the fact of being the Grand Enchanter, Divine, etc.
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Cullen will live through DA:I no matter what. But making him back... I don't know, he won't be romanceable for sure. Same reason that Leliana is not romanceable anymore in DA:I, some people might have romanced her in previous game.
Well, I might prefer Cullen not being companion... I mean, I'm not sure that by the time DA4 get out I'll be able to move on from him. It takes years before I moved from Alistair to Cullen.
It'll be trying to have Cullen as Companion with all the interactions... and not able to romance him once again.
Well if they keep on doing the Inquisition, then we could get more lovely Cullen/Quizzie romance. I've never really understood why there has to be a new hero/heroine every game.
My question now is if any companions will be a companion in DA4. Anders was came from DA:A and went to DA II. Varric went from DA II to DA:I. Now who will come from DA:I?
It might be an expansion character like Anders, but out of the ones we have now:
We can rule out Cass and Vivienne. If Solas is in DA4 he would probably be an NPC. Varric is probably not gonna come back yet again.
So we have Blackwall, Bull, Cole, Sera and Dorian. Blackwall is probably out given his outcomes. Out of the rest, and considering we're likely heading north, I'd say Dorian is looking most likely, but I'm not sure they'd bring back an LI as a companion... Which also covers Bull and Sera. Cole seems a bit difficult given his outcomes. So all in all, I think we might only see them again as NPCs or advisor types.
I don't really see Cullen or Josie coming back unless they decide to make the next game about the Inquisition again.
Yeah, and that last one's a pretty big variable. And I'd say Dorian is one of the very few companions without major character variables (that I'm aware of).
i think it depends on what Bioware wants to write. Look at Leli and her options for variables. Granted the other LI (Morri, Ali, Zev) options also had variants but their stories ended up being not at pronounced as Leli's in DAI. It really just depends. If they want something to work they will find a way to make it happen.
Josie's future husband is hot, if I was Josie I'd be ALL over that!
Depends on how great one's IQ looks when compared to her future husband, lol! It really is not that hard to create an attractive male human, at least it isn't for me.
I think you just broke my heart!
I just need to keep getting my Cullen and original DA crew. I really wish they hadn't made this one 10 years after the original. Considering Alistair and Warden technically only have a max of 30 years, then their days are numbered. Hopes Warden finds that cure!
The sad thing is that I am the same way. I am still stuck on Origins and even the crew from DA2. I know the Warden's lifespan is dwindling and all we get is a LETTER...not cool. I am almost willing to bet Alistair will make it somehow and the Warden will probably die once she or he discovers the cure.
I am still pretty steamed with what they did with Hawke. My Hawkes don't give a crap about the Wardens, so this whole going off to the Anderfels and leaving their romance behind...yeah I am not a fan of that choice.
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Cullen will live through DA:I no matter what. But making him back... I don't know, he won't be romanceable for sure. Same reason that Leliana is not romanceable anymore in DA:I, some people might have romanced her in previous game.
Well, I might prefer Cullen not being companion... I mean, I'm not sure that by the time DA4 get out I'll be able to move on from him. It takes years before I moved from Alistair to Cullen.
It'll be trying to have Cullen as Companion with all the interactions... and not able to romance him once again.
Why wouldn't he make it through DA:I? The breach is over with...Cory is dead...FOR REAL this time...so unless the undead start to spread and infecting people I think we are fine.
But that doesn't go with the rest of the thought: "Stalking the grounds" and "Always some rule being broken." That sounds like some obsessed Templar looking for something wrong so they can take their rage or fear out on someone (continuing from Cole's trail of thought that some Templars enjoy hurting mages because it makes them less afraid). It doesn't sound protective at all, if anything it sounds like a very dangerous person looking for trouble anywhere even where there isn't any. First time I heard this line I thought it was about Meredith, for instance - I thought the "her" was her sister, and the "always some rule being broken" immediately took me to Meredith's obsession with tilting at windmills. The second time I thought it could even be about Alrik and his rape gang. I don't know, it just doesn't sound sweet or protective at all, to me it sounds exactly like the kind of creepy obsessive behavior I don't wanna associate with Cullen.
I interpreted the "rule being broken" line to refer to the Templars/bad mages who would bring Amell to harm and assumed that the "stalking" referred to not just Amell alone but also the trouble that would find her where she was, but it does make sense to think that perhaps it's Meredith who is waking up from nightmares and trying to root out people like her sister. Very cryptic either way. Thanks!
Depends on how great one's IQ looks when compared to her future husband, lol! It really is not that hard to create an attractive male human, at least it isn't for me.
The sad thing is that I am the same way. I am still stuck on Origins and even the crew from DA2. I know the Warden's lifespan is dwindling and all we get is a LETTER...not cool. I am almost willing to bet Alistair will make it somehow and the Warden will probably die once she or he discovers the cure.
I am still pretty steamed with what they did with Hawke. My Hawkes don't give a crap about the Wardens, so this whole going off to the Anderfels and leaving their romance behind...yeah I am not a fan of that choice.
Why wouldn't he make it through DA:I? The breach is over with...Cory is dead...FOR REAL this time...so unless the undead start to spread and infecting people I think we are fine.
I dunno why the Inquisitor didn't just open up a second rift and jump through that with everyone, especially considering she was the one that opened the first one that put them in the fade to stop them from falling right into the Abyssal Reach, lol.
Also, wasn't the sand supposed to be a weird blackish purple colour in the Western Approach? I swear that's how it was described in the book.
It might be an expansion character like Anders, but out of the ones we have now:
We can rule out Cass and Vivienne. If Solas is in DA4 he would probably be an NPC. Varric is probably not gonna come back yet again.
So we have Blackwall, Bull, Cole, Sera and Dorian. Blackwall is probably out given his outcomes. Out of the rest, and considering we're likely heading north, I'd say Dorian is looking most likely, but I'm not sure they'd being back an LI as a companion... Which also covers Bull and Sera. Cole seems a bit difficult given his outcomes. So all in all, I think we might only see them again as NPCs or advisor types.
I don't really see Cullen or Josie coming back unless they decide to make the next game about the Inquisition again.
Ugh I don't want Cole to be a returning character. I like the guy....but just no.
I would prefer him not to turn up in future games if they're gonna keep trying to make me pick between who to kill out of them, LOL! I don't mind hearing from him or about him in regards to my Inquisitor romancing him, I'd like to know that they're still together, but beyond that I'd prefer no more cameos. I don't trust BioWare not to hurt them.
I AGREE! When that choice finally came before me in one of my PTs I think I may had just stared at my TV screen for ten minutes then just stormed out of the room. I...HATED that choice...it was so invoking when it comes to emotions...but I already dealt with seeing Alistair die once in DA:O...then to see it again... *sighs* I thought I was done with this, lol!
It might be an expansion character like Anders, but out of the ones we have now:
We can rule out Cass and Vivienne. If Solas is in DA4 he would probably be an NPC. Varric is probably not gonna come back yet again.
So we have Blackwall, Bull, Cole, Sera and Dorian. Blackwall is probably out given his outcomes. Out of the rest, and considering we're likely heading north, I'd say Dorian is looking most likely, but I'm not sure they'd being back an LI as a companion... Which also covers Bull and Sera. Cole seems a bit difficult given his outcomes. So all in all, I think we might only see them again as NPCs or advisor types.
I don't really see Cullen or Josie coming back unless they decide to make the next game about the Inquisition again.
Actually, I'd be surprised to see anyone who was a LI returning as an actual companion, but maybe as NPCs of some sort, and Viv is out as possibly the Divine, etc. Varric's been in two already. I'm not sure that leaves anyone except Cole, actually. I'm thinking either Dagna or Harding may show up as the first romanceable dwarven companion (more likely Harding than Dagna, but who knows). None of the other NPCs except Berris (sp?) and Krem have struck me as all that memorable, and there's the problem with both of them potentially being dead (though that's never stopped them)...
Well if I have to pick between Cullen and someone else to kill, sorry whichever character you may be. Cullen stays alive always.
Agreed.
He just has pretty much the best voice ever. I don't think I've seen much of his movies. But I might have to watch them just to listen to him talk. I know he's in one of the Pirates of the Caribbeans.
Well, I retired the part of I thought the German version's Cullen not bad. It's bad, the VA didn't nail at all the softer part... It was OK on shouting at the recruits training part but not OK when he talked to the Inquisitor with softer voice...
In games, books, films, etc there usually needs to be some sort of hardship (be it in the romance itself or situations occurring outside of/around it) to make the relationship worth fighting for and all the more sweet if/when it succeeds.
This is another reason why I feel that they should've kept the Inquisitor's anchor hand wound as a serious threat to his/her health all the way through the game. If stabilising the breach had merely dulled it's effects to be slowly killing him/her instead then that would've been a personal reason to defeat Corypheus and get that orb off him/destroy it (since the orb is what caused the mark in the first place, which then becomes corrupted by Corypheus... you can tell because it starts glowing red, LOL!) AND would've added more to the inquisitor's personal and romantic motivations throughout the game, for example:
"I'm gonna shag around because screw it I'm dying anyway, so let's have some fun",
"I'm gonna avoid relationships because I don't want them to grow attached to me if I'm gonna die"
"omg I'm falling for this person but I'm dying ANGST AHOY!"
"bugger it, let's just be really reckless with my decisions in this game because yolo!"
And so on. Then of course if you prepared for the final battle and worked super hard then you'd survive it, or you could purposely sacrifice yourself by using your magic hand to kill corypheus but in doing so draining you of your life, etc etc blah blah blah. By having that whole "**** I'm dying (albeit slowly)" situation there not only adds a sense of urgency, but creates the opportunity for your external injection of angst into what would/could otherwise be a nice easy romance.
Such a missed opportunity.
Agree, I would like something more dire. The breached closed not even half game? Aww... I was imagining ultimate-sacrifice type ending before release. The whole thing is, I can't feel the iminent threat to the world nor to the inquisitor.
About the pacing & content, well in DA:O we got 4 romanceable people, no NPC. No random conversation with NPC #3 in your stronghold (except Bodahn & Sandal). In DA2 we got 4 romanceable people + very few noteworthy NPC.
Now suddenly we get 8 romance options & twice as many notable NPC...
Well if I have to pick between Cullen and someone else to kill, sorry whichever character you may be. Cullen stays alive always.
If it's between Cullen and Alistair then I'll literally refuse to finish the game. I'll literally throw it out the window and never touch a BioWare game again, LOL!
I dunno why the Inquisitor didn't just open up a second rift and jump through that with everyone, especially considering she was the one that opened the first one that put them in the fade to stop them from falling right into the Abyssal Reach, lol.
Also, wasn't the sand supposed to be a weird blackish purple colour in the Western Approach? I swear that's how it was described in the book.
-________- Logic in a Bioware game*I love you Bioware...I promise, lol* don't make me laugh, Lola. You know we were not going to make it through DA:I without Bioware putting in a scene that would truly tear the player apart.
You're right. At least that is what I remember too, I am still just trying to understand the green lyruim in the Hissing Wastes.
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