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[LolaLei]

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As far as I am aware, there isn't a war table mission to pick Divines, cause I have never gotten it. You just have to bring it up in dialogue with them. I think Leliana or Viv is the default, if you didn't really talk to any of the 3 about being Divine.

 

As for the OCW, if you supported Celene, then the Gaspard and Bri plotting thing is supposed to happen. Morrigan appearing alone in the epilogue mosaic slide thing is definitely a bug.

 

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So forcing the 3 of them to work together isn't such a good idea after all? Hm, interesting!

[Kaibe]

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As far as I am aware, there isn't a war table mission to pick Divines, cause I have never gotten it. You just have to bring it up in dialogue with them. I think Leliana or Viv is the default, if you didn't really talk to any of the 3 about being Divine.

As for the OCW, if you supported Celene, then the Gaspard and Bri plotting thing is supposed to happen. Morrigan appearing alone in the epilogue mosaic slide thing is definitely a bug.

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There's war table missions to support Cassandra or Leliana. I haven't seen one for Vivienne so far.

[Hellion Rex]

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So forcing the 3 of them to work together isn't such a good idea after all? Hm, interesting!

Yeah,

 

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From what I understand, forcing them to "work together" more or less amounts to a temporary ceasefire until Corypheus is dealt with, and then they are right back to trying to off each other.

 

I'm really glad I got Gaspard on the throne, cause while he's an ass at least he's a more honest ass than the others. Plus, Josie got him and Alistair to hammer out a peace treaty, and on top of that, Gaspard sends the graduating class of chevaliers to aid the Inquisition to boot!

[LolaLei]

Yeah,

 

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From what I understand, forcing them to "work together" more or less amounts to a temporary ceasefire until Corypheus is dealt with, and then they are right back to trying to off each other.

 

I'm really glad I got Gaspard on the throne, cause while he's an ass at least he's a more honest ass than the others. Plus, Josie got him and Alistair to hammer out a peace treaty, and on top of that, Gaspard sends the graduating class of chevaliers to aid the Inquisition to boot!

 

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So you can't have Briala and Celene actually get back together?

[Hellion Rex]

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There's war table missions to support Cassandra or Leliana. I haven't seen one for Vivienne so far.

Oh, I stand corrected then.

 

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I kinda want Cass to not be named Divine, cause I think she'd be much better to reforge the Seekers. That said, I like the idea of Viv or Leliana being Divine much less.

[Potato Cat]

 

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This time Morrigan appeared in the epilogue slider alone without the kid with her, which is odd. Also Varric still won't talk to me during the celebration, there's no option to click on him or anything.

 

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That happened to me. I wonder if the bug is connected to who we had as our Divine?

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As far as I am aware, there isn't a war table mission to pick Divines, cause I have never gotten it. You just have to bring it up in dialogue with them. I think Leliana or Viv is the default, if you didn't really talk to any of the 3 about being Divine.

 

As for the OCW, if you supported Celene, then the Gaspard and Bri plotting thing is supposed to happen. Morrigan appearing alone in the epilogue mosaic slide thing is definitely a bug.

 

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There is. I got a war table mission to support Vivienne after I told her she would be the bestest Divine evers.

[Hellion Rex]

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So you can't have Briala and Celene actually get back together?

 

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There's an option "to reunite the two", but I don't think it amounts to anything. It doesn't change the fact that Celene killed Briala's parents, and so Bri would still be majorly bitter about that, and I don't see Celene really changing her course now.

 

As far as I am aware, even if you "reunite" them, you still get the Bri and Gaspard plotting epilogue slide.

[Potato Cat]

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So you can't have Briala and Celene actually get back together?

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Yeah you can. But you must blame Gaspard for everything, say Briala was instrumental in bringing him down and get the locket from Celene's vault.

 

Here's the epilogue, according to the wiki:

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"Where once war raged, there is now a shaky peace. Orlais is resurgent, the empress a patron of arts and culture."

"Many attribute this recovery to her lady love, though others wonder how long their reunion will truly last."

[Elessie]

I have an art request/challenge for your artists in here!  Can someone please sketch the quizzie scrambling to get up some rocks and sliding down...while Cassandra, Dorian, and Vivienne all stand atop the rock and snicker at her.  "I wonder when she'll figure out the path is just around the bend?", "Oh, she's just adorable, isn't she?" or something like that?

 

Because seriously, the number of times this has happened to me in this damned game...it deserves a comic strip!!!!! 

 

Heh, but it's kinda nice when they warp up to the rock you're trying to jump up onto.  Cause you can swap control to the character up there, wait for your character to warp up too, and you're good to go!

[Hellion Rex]

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Yeah you can. But you must blame Gaspard for everything, say Briala was instrumental in bringing him down and get the locket from Celene's vault.

 

Here's the epilogue, according to the wiki:

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"Where once war raged, there is now a shaky peace. Orlais is resurgent, the empress a patron of arts and culture."

"Many attribute this recovery to her lady love, though others wonder how long their reunion will truly last."

Interesting. Cool.

 

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That last sentence though makes me think that it will not last.

 

[riverbanks]

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There is. I got a war table mission to support Vivienne after I told her she would be the bestest Divine evers.

 

I got a war table mission to support her even though she and I heartily agreed that

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Cassandra should be Divine.

Never got the mission to support either of the other two, across multiple playthroughs.

 

It's anyone's guess what gives you the war table to support any/either of them, since people get or don't get them in all different scenarios. But doing the mission doesn't actually mean much, you can do the mission to support your candidate and still end up with someone else, or don't do the mission and still end up with that one. They really should come out with how this choice works, because it's such a mess to figure out right now.

[Arlee]

Oh, I stand corrected then.

 

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I kinda want Cass to not be named Divine, cause I think she'd be much better to reforge the Seekers. That said, I like the idea of Viv or Leliana being Divine much less.

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She does that as Divine

 

I didn't get the war table for either, but I told Lileana I wouldn't support her (because that was right after she went a bit psycho) and I had a couple of convos with Cass about it and encouraged her. I never talked to Vivianne about it, but honestly I feel like she's the worst possible option.

[Potato Cat]

I got a war table mission to support her even though she and I heartily agreed that

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Cassandra should be Divine.

Never got the mission to support either of the other two, across multiple playthroughs.

 

It's anyone's guess what gives you the war table to support any/either of them, since people get or don't get them in all different scenarios. But doing the mission doesn't actually mean much, you can do the mission to support your candidate and still end up with someone else, or don't do the mission and still end up with that one. They really should come out with how this choice works, because it's such a mess to figure out right now.

Well I think DG explained in a thread the other day which choices push things which way.

 

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Allying with mages and putting Gaspard on the throne as Briala's puppet and generally talking about freedom for mages and Chantry reform to characters like Mother Giselle and the three candidates push things towards Leliana. Especially the mage thing.

 

And I would assume allying with the Templars and keeping Celene pushes things towards Vivienne. I did these things on my canon playthrough and got her. But then again, I also supported her on the war table, which does help, but not as much as the major decisions.

 

Since Cassandra seems to be the middle of the road between Vivienne's small reforms to the status quo and Leliana's completely stripping down the system and rebuilding, I'm assuming conscripting and disbanding push to her, as well as Gaspard. And I think these characters approve of all the decisions that would lead to getting them as Divine, so it shouldn't be too hard, assuming you go for one candidate in particular.

 

It's when your Inquisitor starts making choices all over the shop things get murky.

[LolaLei]

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Yeah you can. But you must blame Gaspard for everything, say Briala was instrumental in bringing him down and get the locket from Celene's vault.

 

Here's the epilogue, according to the wiki:

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"Where once war raged, there is now a shaky peace. Orlais is resurgent, the empress a patron of arts and culture."

"Many attribute this recovery to her lady love, though others wonder how long their reunion will truly last."

 

Ah, that explains it! Interesting, I bet Briala is still plotting, lol.

[Arlee]

Well I think DG explained in a thread the other day which choices push things which way.

 

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Allying with mages and putting Gaspard on the throne as Briala's puppet and generally talking about freedom for mages and Chantry reform to characters like Mother Giselle and the three candidates push things towards Leliana. Especially the mage thing.

 

And I would assume allying with the Templars and keeping Celene pushes things towards Vivienne. I did these things on my canon playthrough and got her. But then again, I also supported her on the war table, which does help, but not as much as the major decisions.

 

Since Cassandra seems to be the middle of the road between Vivienne's small reforms to the status quo and Leliana's completely stripping down the system and rebuilding, I'm assuming conscripting and disbanding push to her, as well as Gaspard. And I think these characters approve of all the decisions that would lead to getting them as Divine, so it shouldn't be too hard, assuming you go for one candidate in particular.

 

It's when your Inquisitor starts making choices all over the shop things get murky.

 

Eh my through experience directly conflicts with that, so I don't think it's quite right.

[LolaLei]

Eh my through experience directly conflicts with that, so I don't think it's quite right.

 

I'd be intrigued to see if I could get Vivienne on the throne is I go pro-mage, just out of curiosity.

[Potato Cat]

Interesting. Cool.

 

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That last sentence though makes me think that it will not last.

 

 

 

Ah, that explains it! Interesting, I bet Briala is still plotting, lol.

Honestly, for a lot of these kind of things, I'm thinking they're just leaving their options open for any future plots they want to explore, rather than go down the super nitty gritty Origins route of explaining every tiny thing that ever happened ever after and writing themselves into a corner.

 

That said...

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Did I just miss something, or was the whole Briala thing in general kinda weirdly implemented? I feel like the Ball was originally supposed to be more Celene and Gaspard and Briala was just stapled on after her content got cut. Was the whole Eluvian network ever mentioned outside of war table missions? It was just really strange to me...

[Potato Cat]

Eh my through experience directly conflicts with that, so I don't think it's quite right.

What happened with you?

[LolaLei]

Honestly, for a lot of these kind of things, I'm thinking they're just leaving their options open for any future plots they want to explore, rather than go down the super nitty gritty Origins route of explaining every tiny thing that ever happened ever after and writing themselves into a corner.

 

That said...

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Did I just miss something, or was the whole Briala thing in general kinda weirdly implemented? I feel like the Ball was originally supposed to be more Celene and Gaspard and Briala was just stapled on after her content got cut. Was the whole Eluvian network ever mentioned outside of war table missions? It was just really strange to me...

 

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Yeah, given that Briala is the only other one with access to them other than Morrigan. All those cameos of characters from the novels felt tacked on tbh.

[Potato Cat]

I'd be intrigued to see if I could get Vivienne on the throne is I go pro-mage, just out of curiosity.

Depends how you define pro-mage! You can recruit either mages or templars and still get any of the three!

 

This is the mages slide if you get Viv.

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"In the end, they elect to leave the Inquisition and refuse Vivienne's demand that they join the reformed Circle of Magi."

"However, this new mage rebellion does not last, as the Divine brings down her fury upon them."

"Some mages surrender; others return to the Inquisition. Either way, the new Circle of Magi stands triumphant."

[LolaLei]

Depends how you define pro-mage! You can recruit either mages or templars and still get any of the three!

 

This is the mages slide if you get Viv.

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"In the end, they elect to leave the Inquisition and refuse Vivienne's demand that they join the reformed Circle of Magi."

"However, this new mage rebellion does not last, as the Divine brings down her fury upon them."

"Some mages surrender; others return to the Inquisition. Either way, the new Circle of Magi stands triumphant."

 

LOL, bloody idiots!

[Potato Cat]

LOL, bloody idiots!

ikr? Thedas has only one rule.

 

Don't **** with Divine Vivienne!

 

Or hardened Leliana. Scary!

[Mr.House]

Yeah,

 

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From what I understand, forcing them to "work together" more or less amounts to a temporary ceasefire until Corypheus is dealt with, and then they are right back to trying to off each other.

 

I'm really glad I got Gaspard on the throne, cause while he's an ass at least he's a more honest ass than the others. Plus, Josie got him and Alistair to hammer out a peace treaty, and on top of that, Gaspard sends the graduating class of chevaliers to aid the Inquisition to boot!

Good lad.

[Arlee]

What happened with you?

 

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I allied with the Templars (full cooperation no dismanteling), kept Celen on the throne and resolved the issue between her and Brialla, Talked about the need for change in the chantry to everyone, told Lileana she'd be a crap Divine. In the end Cassandra was chosen Divine and she is reforming the seekers to realize their original purpose and researching how to reverse Tranquility to mages without making them go batshit. Oh and Celene is still empress with Gespard plotting in the background and Celene clings to the Inquisition. Brialla wasn't mentioned there at all.

[Mr.House]

LOL, bloody idiots!

You think after Redcliffe they would learn......