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[riverbanks]

I imagine he always sort of knew on some level, certainly suspected.

 

He tells Hawke to her face in Act 1, "I've been hearing strange rumors about you/your sister, Hawke. I hope they're not true." He knew Hawke/Bethany were mages from the start, the whole "Cullen is oblivious" thing comes from them failing to put a dialogue check on the "mages are not people like you and me" line to exclude mage Hawkes. It was a game mechanic error, that they've brushed off by joking that Cullen was an incompetent Templar. But that first line is right there in the game, that can't be taken back. His motivations for not pursuing are anyone's headcanon, but he certainly knew about the Hawkes from the start.

[riverbanks]

I think that there's one Knight-Commander per region, and I base this solely off of Gregoir being a Knight-Captain. I feel like there was some impression given that the Knight-Commander of Ferelden was in Denerim, but it was never explicitly stated.

 

Greagoir was Knight-Commander of Ferelden's Circle, though? The Knight-Captain of that Circle was never identified, but Greagoir was def. Commander.

 

Anyway, it's one Knight-Commander and one Knight-Captain per Circle, not region. We only saw one in Ferelden because they only had one Circle(*), but in countries where there are more, you'll see more Commanders and Captains per capita. Kirkwall, Starkhaven and Ostwick all had their own Circles, for instance, and Orlais had at least the White Spire and Montsimmard; each with their own chain of command.

 

(*) actually, you see three Knight-Commanders in Ferelden: Greagoir at the Kinloch Hold Circle, Harrith in Redcliffe, and Tavish in Denerim. Whether this means there are actually three Circles in Ferelden, that there were two stray Knight-Commanders hanging out away from their Circles during the Blight, or just that they'd hadn't established the lore just right yet and named those Templars the first rank that sounded important enough, is another matter.

[Monica21]

Greagoir was Knight-Commander of Ferelden's Circle, though? The Knight-Captain of that Circle was never identified, but Greagoir was def. Commander.

 

Anyway, it's one Knight-Commander and one Knight-Captain per Circle, not region. We only saw one in Ferelden because they only had one Circle(*), but in countries where there are more, you'll see more Commanders and Captains per capita. Kirkwall, Starkhaven and Ostwick all had their own Circles, for instance, and Orlais had at least the White Spire and Montsimmard; each with their own chain of command.

 

(*) actually, you see three Knight-Commanders in Ferelden: Greagoir at the Kinloch Hold Circle, Harrith in Redcliffe, and Tavish in Denerim. Whether this means there are actually three Circles in Ferelden, that there were two stray Knight-Commanders hanging out away from their Circles during the Blight, or just that they'd hadn't established the lore just right yet and name those Templars the first rank that sounded important enough, is another matter.

 

I just checked the wiki and it does say he's the Knight-Commander, but I swear, at the end of the Broken Circle, when you're trying to convince him that it's safe, one of the responses you get is, "And what does the Knight-Captain think?"

[Hellion Rex]

Greagoir was Knight-Commander of Ferelden's Circle, though? The Knight-Captain of that Circle was never identified, but Greagoir was def. Commander.

 

Anyway, it's one Knight-Commander and one Knight-Captain per Circle, not region. We only saw one in Ferelden because they only had one Circle(*), but in countries where there are more, you'll see more Commanders and Captains per capita. Kirkwall, Starkhaven and Ostwick all had their own Circles, for instance, and Orlais had at least the White Spire and Montsimmard; each with their own chain of command.

 

(*) actually, you see three Knight-Commanders in Ferelden: Greagoir at the Kinloch Hold Circle, Harrith in Redcliffe, and Tavish in Denerim. Whether this means there are actually three Circles in Ferelden, that there were two stray Knight-Commanders hanging out away from their Circles during the Blight, or just that they'd hadn't established the lore just right yet and name those Templars the first rank that sounded important enough, is another matter.

There are only 2 Circles in Ferelden, Lake Calenhad (Greagoir) and the Circle of Jainen.

 

I believe that there are exceptions though, such as Harrith (Redcliffe being a major population center as well as Harrith being there as a bodyguard perhaps for the cleric). Also Tavish might have been a guard for the Grand Cleric of Ferelden as well since she resides in Denerim.

 

Otherwise though, it should be one Knight-Commander per Circle.

 

As of now, I count 14 Circles in White Thedas.

[R2s Muse]

Greagoir was Knight-Commander of Ferelden's Circle, though? The Knight-Captain of that Circle was never identified, but Greagoir was def. Commander.

 

Anyway, it's one Knight-Commander and one Knight-Captain per Circle, not region. We only saw one in Ferelden because they only had one Circle(*), but in countries where there are more, you'll see more Commanders and Captains per capita. Kirkwall, Starkhaven and Ostwick all had their own Circles, for instance, and Orlais had at least the White Spire and Montsimmard; each with their own chain of command.

 

(*) actually, you see three Knight-Commanders in Ferelden: Greagoir at the Kinloch Hold Circle, Harrith in Redcliffe, and Tavish in Denerim. Whether this means there are actually three Circles in Ferelden, that there were two stray Knight-Commanders hanging out away from their Circles during the Blight, or just that they'd hadn't established the lore just right yet and named those Templars the first rank that sounded important enough, is another matter.

Yes, this. Asunder states that there are 15 Knight-Commanders, which roughly matches the number of Circles, altho the exact number of Circles is slightly disputed. You can see the list of known ones here: http://dragonage.wik.../Circle_of_Magi I do wonder about the one in Jainen. 

[Hellion Rex]

Yes, this. Asunder states that there are 15 Knight-Commanders, which roughly matches the number of Circles, altho the exact number of Circles is slightly disputed. You can see the list of known ones here: http://dragonage.wik.../Circle_of_Magi I do wonder about the one in Jainen. 

Well, by the time of Asunder, the numbers that were technically possible in DAO (with Harrith and Tavish) could have dwindled or changed, with some Knight Commanders either abdicating, being relieved of duty, killed etc. I mean, Asunder happens 9-10 years after DAO after all.

[riverbanks]

I believe that there are exceptions though, such as Harrith (Redcliffe being a major population center as well as Harrith being there as a bodyguard perhaps for the cleric).

 

I kinda assumed there has to be a Templar boot camp of sorts in the Redcliffe bannorn, since both Alistair and Cullen mention going to Redcliffe to start their Templar training. Understandably, there would be a Knight-Commander around such a place - that could have been Harrith, too.

[Monica21]

Greagoir was Knight-Commander of Ferelden's Circle, though? The Knight-Captain of that Circle was never identified, but Greagoir was def. Commander.

 

 

Yep, I was wrong. Definitely Knight-Commander.

[R2s Muse]

Well, by the time of Asunder, the numbers that were technically possible in DAO (with Harrith and Tavish) could have dwindled or changed, with some Knight Commanders either abdicating, being relieved of duty, killed etc. I mean, Asunder happens 9-10 years after DAO after all.

Technically, the 14 was established in DA:O during a load screen, so the 15 is an increase over time. :shrug: But, it's not like there aren't any mistakes in Asunder... so hard to say. I've also heard arguments that there are even more Circles based on the count of First Enchanters coming to the conclave at the White Spire, but frankly I haven't gone through the text myself yet to prove or disprove that one. 

[R2s Muse]

I kinda assumed there has to be a Templar boot camp of sorts in the Redcliffe bannorn, since both Alistair and Cullen mention going to Redcliffe to start their Templar training. Understandably, there would be a Knight-Commander around such a place - that could have been Harrith, too.

I've always wondered about this, too, altho the Chantry Hierarchy codex talks about how some Chantry initiates receive military training to become templars. So I always figured some templars are just trained in the Chantries. 

[meanieweenie]

Technically, the 14 was established in DA:O during a load screen, so the 15 is an increase over time. :shrug: But, it's not like there aren't any mistakes in Asunder... so hard to say. I've also heard arguments that there are even more Circles based on the count of First Enchanters coming to the conclave at the White Spire, but frankly I haven't gone through the text myself yet to prove or disprove that one. 

I just pictured you like Gandalf, hunched over ancient text and trying to research by candle light.

[R2s Muse]

I just pictured you like Gandalf, hunched over ancient text and trying to research by candle light.

LOL Yup, that's me!

 

 

...altho these days it's more like the kindle search function!

[riverbanks]

I've always wondered about this, too, altho the Chantry Hierarchy codex talks about how some Chantry initiates receive military training to become templars. So I always figured some templars are just trained in the Chantries. 

 

I do imagine this would be the case in canon, that the kids would be trained in the Chantry itself. But the idea of Templar bootcampt is too awesome to resist! Just try to picture Alistair and Cullen as little kids in bootcamp, training to be Ser Templars when they grow up. Tee hee hee hee.

[R2s Muse]

I do imagine this would be the case in canon, that the kids would be trained in the Chantry itself. But the idea of Templar bootcampt is too awesome to resist! Just try to picture Alistair and Cullen as little kids in bootcamp, training to be Ser Templars when they grow up. Tee hee hee hee.

Aw, I read a cute fic about something like that once.

[SpiritMuse]

I think that there's one Knight-Commander per region, and I base this solely off of Gregoir being a Knight-Captain. I feel like there was some impression given that the Knight-Commander of Ferelden was in Denerim, but it was never explicitly stated. (And yes, I could very well be doing mental gymnastics trying to make the lore fit with the game, when Gregoir really should have been a Knight-Commander all along.)

Wasn't he called Knight-Commander though? That's what I remember, anyway.

Edit: whoops, 'd

He tells Hawke to her face in Act 1, "I've been hearing strange rumors about you/your sisters, Hawke. I hope they're not true." He knew Hawke/Bethany were mages from the start, the whole "Cullen is oblivious" thing comes from them failing to put a dialogue check on the "mages are not people like you and me" line to exclude mage Hawkes. It was a game mechanic error, that they've brushed off by joking that Cullen was an incompetent Templar. But that first line is right there in the game, that can't be taken back. His motivations for not pursuing are anyone's headcanon, but he certainly knew about the Hawkes from the start.

Ah. It's been a while since I played the game, I don't remember the exact dialogues. However, confronting them with "strange rumors" isn't quite equal to knowing with absolute certainty that they're mages. There's still some room for doubt, especially if one wants to doubt.

I seem to remember the whole thing being more widespread, but if it's really just that one dialogue, it could just be that he simply forgot himself for a moment and went into impassioned speechifying mode without realizing who he was talking to. On the other hand, there has to be a reason why he doesn't just bust them on the spot for being apostates.

[riverbanks]

Yep, I was wrong. Definitely Knight-Commander.

 

Aaaaw, and I went and opened Origins to check this too.

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I was all ready to make a "go home Monica you are drunk" post.

[riverbanks]

Aw, I read a cute fic about something like that once.

 

Hee, that sounds adorable! If you ever find it again, do post the link, I'd love to read that.

[Monica21]

I was all ready to make a "go home Monica you are drunk" post.

Well, I might be!

[riverbanks]

Since I had Origins open anyway....

 

 

Some original flavor Noodles, mastering the art of sad frowny faces for over a decade now.

[Hellion Rex]

Since I had Origins open anyway....

 

 

 

Some original flavor Noodles, mastering the art of sad frowny faces for over a decade now.

Ooooo, I like me a salty Noodles.

[MelissaGT]

Ooooo, I like me a salty Noodles.

 

The funny thing is he actually looks older in Origins! Frostbite has been kind to our Cully-Wully. Lucky man to be aging so well!

[Queen Rowan]

Hello, fellow Cullenites! After 130 hours of gameplay, I finally finished my first play through of DAI yesterday, so I'd like to express my thoughts on Cullen: his romance  and his overall story arc. (Note that this may include some extremely minor spoilers, but I'm trying to keep it as spoiler free as possible. But I'm assuming if you're on the thread at this point, you're prepared for spoilers anyway.)

 

What I LOVED: 

• The mixture of heated passion and sensitive affection throughout the romance
• The fact that the romance lasted literally until the last moment of the game (disregarding the shocking after credits scene) 
• SO MANY CUTSCENES!!!
• The addressing of his lyrium addiction and the inquisitor's ability to play a part in that
• Dancing   *swoon* (Must admit I played that scene at least 5 times because it was so precious)
• His transformation from naïve templar in DAO to now, although I liked that he still retained some of his sheepishness when romanced.

What I would've liked to see more of: 

• More ramifications to the choice you made regarding his lyrium addiction. But I will be satisfied if this is addressed in DLC or future installments of DA.
• More background knowledge in general, and this actually goes for all of the characters in DA. I would've liked to have really gotten to know the ins and outs of the characters, and I feel like DAI really only brushed the surface. 
• More comments/teasing from companions about the relationship. I got a little banter in the war room, but unless I missed something, no one else commented on it.

Overall I was rather pleased with what the Bioware team did with Cullen. I hope you guys fell in love with him as much as I did (if you weren't already), and if you haven't gotten the chance to romance him yet.... DO ITTTTTTT. You seriously won't regret a second.

[wiccame]

He tells Hawke to her face in Act 1, "I've been hearing strange rumors about you/your sister, Hawke. I hope they're not true." He knew Hawke/Bethany were mages from the start, the whole "Cullen is oblivious" thing comes from them failing to put a dialogue check on the "mages are not people like you and me" line to exclude mage Hawkes. It was a game mechanic error, that they've brushed off by joking that Cullen was an incompetent Templar. But that first line is right there in the game, that can't be taken back. His motivations for not pursuing are anyone's headcanon, but he certainly knew about the Hawkes from the start.

I heard though not sure where now, that he knew Hawke or Bethany was a mage but as a favour to the Viscount (who requested they be left alone) Meredith had them do nothing about it.

[alwayshungry]

http://chenria.devia...night-503167714

[Potato Cat]

That's a pretty wild leap of logic there, from a hand on the waist to heterosexual romances are generally submissive. Careful with the blanket statements, etc. 

 Yeah, when I played the Cullen romance with my Elidri, she was definitely the dominant one in dialogue.

 

Also, I'm playing the Solas romance right now and I'm surprised how much I'm enjoying his romance content, limited as it may be. It is sometimes dodgy though, like. Like

Spoiler

The quizzy not realising she's dreaming in the Haven scene. Did they go to a karaoke bar, sing 'Baby, It's Cold Outside' and Solas decided to make the lyrics super literal? Weird.

 

And Vivienne hates me in this playthrough. And gee whiz, her disapproval content is just the bees knees! Every time she insults me I've got the biggest smile on my face. (Totes healthy, guys) Loving all the disapproval content in this game so far! Offend all the companions!!