This is Thedas =/= historical point in time.
They have legitimate magic and other resources that could easily be twisted to constitute some form of birth control.
Yes, but I meant that in historical times (in response to that comment), there were other methods of birth control beyond "pull and pray".
Bastila had a kid?
Yes, yes she did.
Hmm.. I play far too many BW games.
This is Thedas =/= historical point in time.
They have legitimate magic and other resources that could easily be twisted to constitute some form of birth control.
It's a hand wave no matter how you look at it.
They haven't approached that story because I imagine they aren't sure how to approach it. It's easy in the case of straight guys and certain female LIs because their agency with kids boils down to choosing whether or not to have sex with them. It's a bit trickier with straight lady PCs or s/s couples.
I'm not trying to be obtuse on purpose here folks. As I said I'd like to see it happen with any couple other than straight dudes simple because Bioware hasn't gone that route before. It would be new and interesting.
It doesn't have to be Cullen, or Alistair or even a hetero couple and there could be a million and one reasons for it to not happen but there are just as many viable reasons for it to happen as well. Lots of players are interested in the option - you don't have to take it but it would be good to have the chance to explore that route for the people who are interested.
Is there an actual cutscene break up scene with Cullen? When I tried it it was just a little side dialogue where he was like "well you made your decision. no use talking about it anymore."
Is there an actual cutscene break up scene with Cullen? When I tried it it was just a little side dialogue where he was like "well you made your decision. no use talking about it anymore."
Yes, you can end it right before you consummate the relationship.
She had Keiran with her while she was in Orlais, and she only stayed hidden away for a little bit. She even says that she had to come out the other world and back into Thedas.
Even so, Morrigan was in Orlais...in a palace...as an advisor to the empress. She wasn't at war getting thrown in the face of death as her general occupation.
Is there an actual cutscene break up scene with Cullen? When I tried it it was just a little side dialogue where he was like "well you made your decision. no use talking about it anymore."
There's a couple actually. There's one where he breaks up with the Inq if you tell him to keep taking lyrium and press it, and another (two options to take) right before the sex scene itself.
Surprisingly, like I believe most the other LIs have, there isn't an option to break up with him after the sex scene. Would have just been downright cruel, given the context.
There's a couple actually. There's one where he breaks up with the Inq if you tell him to keep taking lyrium and press it, and another (two options to take) right before the sex scene itself.
Surprisingly, like I believe most the other LIs have, there isn't an option to break up with him after the sex scene. Would have just been downright cruel, given the context.
Oh wow okay I may (or probably not because how could i) try that in another play through. Somehow I think him breaking up with me would be even worse than me breaking up with him.
On another completely off topic note...
It's a hand wave no matter how you look at it.
They haven't approached that story because I imagine they aren't sure how to approach it. It's easy in the case of straight guys and certain female LIs because their agency with kids boils down to choosing whether or not to have sex with them. It's a bit trickier with straight lady PCs or s/s couples.
I'm not trying to be obtuse on purpose here folks. As I said I'd like to see it happen with any couple other than straight dudes simple because Bioware hasn't gone that route before. It would be new and interesting.
In our game-world, the IQ is essentially a warlord. And being a warlord in a relationship with someone essential to the chain of command wouldn't really afford the opportunity to raise a family, unless that family is raised by someone else...sad to say. Now, if the IQ were to be in a relationship with "Joe Nobody" (be that person a man or a woman), and he/she chooses to take the time off to bear that child (or they adopt), then that "Joe Nobody" could be the stay-at-home parent.
Oh wow okay I may (or probably not because how could i) try that in another play through. Somehow I think him breaking up with me would be even worse than me breaking up with him.
On another completely off topic note...
Spoiler
If you do the DR, he exists.
If you played as a male warden, slept with Morrigan, but didn't do the ritual, he still exists - just not as an OGB.
If you never do the ritual or play a male warden romancing her, kid doesn't exist.
Even so, Morrigan was in Orlais...in a palace...as an advisor to the empress. She wasn't at war getting thrown in the face of death as her general occupation.
Yeah.
Orlais.
The Palace.
Where they play "The Game"
I'm pretty sure a kid with the IQ would be safer in Skyhold with trusted allies than where Keiran was at.
It's a hand wave no matter how you look at it.
They haven't approached that story because I imagine they aren't sure how to approach it. It's easy in the case of straight guys and certain female LIs because their agency with kids boils down to choosing whether or not to have sex with them. It's a bit trickier with straight lady PCs or s/s couples.
I'm not trying to be obtuse on purpose here folks. As I said I'd like to see it happen with any couple other than straight dudes simple because Bioware hasn't gone that route before. It would be new and interesting.
It doesn't have to be Cullen, or Alistair or even a hetero couple and there could be a million and one reasons for it to not happen but there are just as many viable reasons for it to happen as well. Lots of players are interested in the option - you don't have to take it but it would be good to have the chance to explore that route for the people who are interested.
So straight males can choose to not have sex as a recourse to this, yet straight females...can't? Well, you have lost me there.
Even so, all you'd get is a mention in the next game, if at all. There'd hardly be a valid point in going into depth on the idea in a DLC without turning it into something that can't really be played.
I'm not trying to say it's a bad idea. I just don't see how it could be implemented to a point that would justify adding it in.
Surprisingly, like I believe most the other LIs have, there isn't an option to break up with him after the sex scene. Would have just been downright cruel, given the context.
I always thought that was fitting... and after thinking about it for a moment, hilarious 
Yeah.
Orlais.
The Palace.
Where they play "The Game"
I'm pretty sure a kid with the IQ would be safer in Skyhold with trusted allies than where Keiran was at.
I'd say it's a drastic difference being in a palace with guards...that and Morrigan states that nobody knows that Kieran is her child...to keep him safe...
Dracofish2, on 31 Dec 2014 - 11:45 AM, said:
I'm no historian, but didn't they have forms of birth control "way back when?"
Yes, though not necessarily reliable, and in other forms than withdrawal. The most obvious and reliable being non-intercourse sex, but there were other ways historically (not my particular area, though.) Add magic, and there's no reason not to expect perfectly reliable BC in Thedas if you want it.
Edited: Somehow it lost the quotes for above, sorry!
Pregnancy past 4 or 5 months would not only complicate armor, but any female inquisitor who fights melee would have to struggle with a huge alteration in their balance and mobility, and at the point the game ends, the odds are extremely high that she'll be forced into combat if she remains publicly with the Inquisition while pregnant (and in fact, it would most likely be seen as the perfect opportunity for an assassination). I don't think any of my own inquisitors would chose to take that risk until she and Cullen could absent themselves into well-protected hiding for at least 5 months, then put that child under heavy guard just like a royal when they return because kidnapping and hostage situations are far too likely if they remain with the Inquisition. Since my own Inquisitors are likely to already be in their 30s and would want to remain the Inquisitor, I wouldn't see them having more than one or two children of their own and only if the political situations stabilized (nothing suggests that the Inquisitor is intended to be an inherited title, after all, and comments about the first Inquisition laying down their weapons when they were done suggests the opposite.) However, I'd imagine them adopting the orphans of Inquisition members who are killed. I'd expect them to leave the Inquisition to live less risky lives if they wanted a large family and more traditional family life, but that's my personal sense of what's involved. I could see someone reasoning to a completely different conclusion based on their personal ideas, such as just assuming a heavy, constant bodyguard every time the Inquisitor gets big enough to lose some of her dexterity and balance.
Honestly, I personally kind of favor the idea of adopting orphaned children of Inquisition followers for all sorts of reasons if they want a large family. Cullen regards his responsibilities to his people so deeply that I can imagine him extended that to their families. And I think a Dalish IQ would take for granted that the Inquisition would take responsibility for their orphans.
If you do the DR, he exists.
If you played as a male warden, slept with Morrigan, but didn't do the ritual, he still exists - just not as an OGB.
If you never do the ritual or play a male warden romancing her, kid doesn't exist.
So then that scene with Flemeth just doesn't happen then...? That upsets me a little. Everything about the encounter between Flemeth and Morrigan was monumental. She was finally standing up to her mother, and she really showed her vulnerability for the first time...
In our game-world, the IQ is essentially a warlord. And being a warlord in a relationship with someone essential to the chain of command wouldn't really afford the opportunity to raise a family, unless that family is raised by someone else...sad to say. Now, if the IQ were to be in a relationship with "Joe Nobody" (be that person a man or a woman), and he/she chooses to take the time off to bear that child (or they adopt), then that "Joe Nobody" could be the stay-at-home parent.
It's not going to be a traditional family but that doesn't mean it can't happen.
If you don't want to that's fine, but it's not as if the inquisition doesn't have resources to hire a nanny. And because parents might be working doesn't mean they won't have time for their kids.
So males can choose to not have sex as a recourse to this, yet straight females...can't? Well, you have lost me there.
Even so, all you'd get is a mention in the next game, if at all. There'd hardly be a valid point in going into depth on the idea in a DLC without turning it into something that can't really be played.
I'm trying to say it's a bad idea. I just don't see how it could be implemented to a point that would justify adding it in.
No. I was saying it was easier to implement the family thing with female LIs and straight dudes. Like with Morrigan or the one noble chaser for the dwarven noble warden. They have kids if you have sex with them regardless of what the dude wants. Don't want kids? Don't have sex with them. Want kids? Here are your opitions. It's tricker with any other type of toon except straight dudes.
Yeah.
Orlais.
The Palace.
Where they play "The Game"
I'm pretty sure a kid with the IQ would be safer in Skyhold with trusted allies than where Keiran was at.
Actually, she states pretty clearly that with a male warden who went through the Eluvian that they were somewhere else safe for years with Kieran. And that no one at Court realized who he was.
So then that scene with Flemeth just doesn't happen then...? That upsets me a little. Everything about the encounter between Flemeth and Morrigan was monumental. She was finally standing up to her mother, and she really showed her vulnerability for the first time...
There is a scene, it's just different and doesn't involve Kieran.
I won't go back into rehashing this topic, but I am very glad BW chose to give characters sexual preferences. It brings a certain level of dimension to the world and its characters.
So my New Year's wish is that we just stop bringing this subject up at all in the Cullen thread... period 
I'd say it's a drastic difference being in a palace with guards...that and Morrigan states that nobody knows that Kieran is her child...to keep him safe...
I don't think the guards would be any help tbh, as they would probably also be in on The Game as well, though to a lesser extent than the nobles.
Either way we know that Keiran isn't 100% safe in Orlais. Morrigan protects him but that doesn't mean he lives without danger in his life.
Thedas obviously has fail-safe birth control...I'd blame the mages
Pull and pray which is not exactly what I'd call reliable.
Actually, she states pretty clearly that with a male warden who went through the Eluvian that they were somewhere else safe for years with Kieran. And that no one at Court realized who he was.
Yeah.
That's one option. Bioware made that happen for their own reasons. Why can't it happen with other PCs and other LIs? Both Morrigan and the PC had things going on but something worked out. Something to could happen to work out with other PC combinations and their LIs too.
It's not going to be a traditional family but that doesn't mean it can't happen.
If you don't want to that's fine, but it's not as if the inquisition doesn't have resources to hire a nanny. And because parents might be working doesn't mean they won't have time for their kids.
We can agree to disagree here. I can totally see why some people would want this to be a possibility, I personally just can't see it.
You can't really compare our in-game situation with "working parents." I had working parents and I went to day care, but my parents were home after work each day. In the case of the Inquisition, our protag is a warlord on campaign and is hardly ever "home." If in a relationship with any of the companions, I would imagine they would be away on campaign at the same time. If in a relationship with Cullen, then again...he's the leader of the forces. When would he have time? Josie is the only one I could potentially see.
Honestly, I personally kind of favor the idea of adopting orphaned children of Inquisition followers for all sorts of reasons if they want a large family. Cullen regards his responsibilities to his people so deeply that I can imagine him extended that to their families. And I think a Dalish IQ would take for granted that the Inquisition would take responsibility for their orphans.
I too like the idea of adopting orphaned children, but in my head they are taken in and kinda raised by the tight-knit Inner Circle community.
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