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[SmilesJA]

I've made the choice for Cullen to continue taking Lyrium. I wonder if it's the right choice.......

[R2s Muse]

You know... in trying to think about when all this stuff happened, I've been assuming that most of the super ancient stuff is a big ole handwave, rounding time to the nearest century or longer. Imagine my surprise when World Of Thedas apparently puts these two events within 50 years of each other, which within the errors is practically the same time.

• 4750 FA or -1655 TE: Elves first notice the quickening, which puts an end to their immortality and forces them to withdraw from human contact. This is thought to be mere legend.^cite

• 4800 FA or -1605 TE: The Old Gods begin whispering to humanity from the Golden City. They teach the Dreamers of the Neromenian tribes magic. These Dreamers become the priests and rulers of their people.^cite

[frylock23]

Sing could just be a descriptive term. I've seen authors describe being on a drug as it "singing through your veins." But the drug is most definitely not sentient or even alive.

[riverbanks]

I didn't realize there was a big deal being made about it? I don't really venture out of this section of the forums so this is the first time I have said anything about it to anyone. And yeah, I know content always gets cut no matter what. 

 

Not you, you silly Boom. I mean around the forums, on tumblr, reddit, etc. There's a lot of wah-wah about cut content in DAI and comparisons to how Skyrim is so magical and full of content, but when you actually followed development of Skyrim and saw how much was promised and how much was cut there compared to the handful of things that were cut from DAI (or not even cut, but just fan theories that took airs of official announcement and later didn't come to fruition because it was never in the plans anyway)... heh. It's just weird.

[Jean]

Lyrium being sentient would creep me the frack out. Cool, but woah. 

[R2s Muse]

Wait, how did we get to lyrium being sentient? I thought it was just alive like a plant or bacteria or something.

It's often described in a way that suggests it, altho there's no official source calling it sentient. So it's just a theory. In fact, World of Thedas specifically calls it "nonliving."

[riverbanks]

I've made the choice for Cullen to continue taking Lyrium. I wonder if it's the right choice.......

 

Your choices are always the right choices. It's your game, there's no wrong or right way to play it.

[R2s Muse]

I've made the choice for Cullen to continue taking Lyrium. I wonder if it's the right choice.......

Depends on if you're romancing him and want to grow old together...

[SpiritMuse]

Well it must have some kind of sentience since it supposedly 'sings' to people.

Hmm, true. Or it could be that it just produces some psychic signal that sounds like song or harmonics, no real sentience necessary for that.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

Not you, you silly Boom. I mean around the forums, on tumblr, reddit, etc. There's a lot of wah-wah about cut content in DAI and comparisons to how Skyrim is so magical and full of content, but when you actually followed development of Skyrim and saw how much was promised and how much was cut there compared to the handful of things that were cut from DAI (or not even cut, but just fan theories that took airs of official announcement and later didn't come to fruition because it was never in the plans anyway)... heh. It's just weird.

 

Oh, yeah I don't go on Reddit and only go on Tumblr to get my daily dosage of Cullen fan art so I remain relativity pure when it comes to the negative side of any fandom. 

[FFZero]

Sing could just be a descriptive term. I've seen authors describe being on a drug as it "singing through your veins." But the drug is most definitely not sentient or even alive.

 

True but given the context a word like singing has in this universe a la archdemons whispering/singing to wardens/darkspawn it's not too outlandish to think of lyrium singing to people in a literal sense I suppose. Guess we'll have to wait on the writers maybe giving a definitive answer as to what they mean by lyrium being alive. 

[Hellion Rex]

It could be, given the sentience that is often prescribed to lyrium. And creating life is often the 'final frontier' for many advanced races, right? 

 

For myself, I'm still not sure we even really know what Solas's plan was.

Spoiler

He needed a key to open the Veil, for some reason. Couldn't power the key, so asked Corypheus to do it for him. Why? Why would he trust Corypheus with this?  And, at what point in the story did he give it to Cory? Presumably Cory's been body hopping or something for past 3 years? Did Solas already know Cory from the 'old days'? Or did they happen to meet up recently and Solas decided to trust him...?

questionsquestionsquestions

Well, based on the data we mined from the final scene.

 

Spoiler

A part of his plan is to "restore" his people. Now, Cole's digging in Solas' head sounds as if there are many pockets of elves either stuck in stasis or uthenera, waiting to be awoken.

 

And as for the Anchor and orb, what were they made to do? As of now, all we know is that they act as a means to open the Veil in its entirety. So, one possible thing is that Solas needed to enter the Fade physically for some reason.

 

On the other hand, Dorian mentions that these "somnaborium" were used by humanity in the ancient past for many different things, so it's possible that the orb can do more than just what we saw, especially if its in the right hands, i.e. Solas, the rightful owner of the Orb.

 

Now, I also wonder if these Orbs were possibly a symbol of an elven god's power, and that each of the pantheon held one such orb.

 

[frylock23]

If it's infected with the Blight, I would expect at most that it's the same song Wardens hear from the ADs or corrupted Old Gods. Maybe the Blight has the potential to create some kind of many-mind out of those who are infected with it with the more powerful psyches taking the upper hand or strongest tones in the "song." But the Blight isn't itself sentient, only linking sentience and destroying individuality.

[Hellion Rex]

 

You know... in trying to think about when all this stuff happened, I've been assuming that most of the super ancient stuff is a big ole handwave, rounding time to the nearest century or longer. Imagine my surprise when World Of Thedas apparently puts these two events within 50 years of each other, which within the errors is practically the same time.

• 4750 FA or -1655 TE: Elves first notice the quickening, which puts an end to their immortality and forces them to withdraw from human contact. This is thought to be mere legend.^cite

• 4800 FA or -1605 TE: The Old Gods begin whispering to humanity from the Golden City. They teach the Dreamers of the Neromenian tribes magic. These Dreamers become the priests and rulers of their people.^cite

 

Now, I'm thinking that the "Old Gods" and elven pantheon have major connections. I think the Old Gods might be a rival pantheon, maybe even the Forgotten Ones, that opposed the original elven pantheon. And when the OGs got kicked out, they made their way to Tevinter instead.

[Queen Rowan]

Well, based on the data we mined from the final scene.

 

Spoiler

Now, I also wonder if these Orbs were possibly a symbol of an elven god's power, and that each of the pantheon held one such orb

 

Spoiler

and possibly their immortality? Possibly the reason they died is because their orbs were destroyed? hence Flemeth

[MelissaGT]

Beware of those Cullen vampires...you never know when they'll strike!

 

[LolaLei]

Spoiler

and possibly their immortality? Possibly the reason they died is because their orbs were destroyed? hence Flemeth

 

Spoiler

Ooooh, so maybe the Elven gods may have been nothing more than normal elves that created/obtained these orbs which is where they're powers came from?

[R2s Muse]

Well, based on the data we mined from the final scene.
 

Spoiler

A part of his plan is to "restore" his people. Now, Cole's digging in Solas' head sounds as if there are many pockets of elves either stuck in stasis or uthenera, waiting to be awoken.
 
And as for the Anchor and orb, what were they made to do? As of now, all we know is that they act as a means to open the Veil in its entirety. So, one possible thing is that Solas needed to enter the Fade physically for some reason.
 
On the other hand, Dorian mentions that these "somnaborium" were used by humanity in the ancient past for many different things, so it's possible that the orb can do more than just what we saw, especially if its in the right hands, i.e. Solas, the rightful owner of the Orb.
 
Now, I also wonder if these Orbs were possibly a symbol of an elven god's power, and that each of the pantheon held one such orb.
 

On the last point, IIRC, Solas said this specifically. Or maybe a codex. That the focii were each dedicated to a god. Something like that. So, agree, when I heard it, I thought that each of the gods has their own.

Spoiler

and possibly their immortality? Possibly the reason they died is because their orbs were destroyed? hence Flemeth

Oh man. THIS! Whoa. That would be... something.

I mean, if the quickening started around the same time that the Old Gods started whispering to the humans to be let out... it could very well be that whatever happened with the elven gods being locked away also involved the focii being lost/destroyed/whatever.

[Queen Rowan]

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and if those orbs are the ancient elves' lifelines so to speak and they are related to those ancient artifacts maybe that's why solas wanted them to be activated. Maybe the orbs can go dormant. Maybe Solas was dormant until his orb was activated and now he's trying to activate the other elves' orbs to bring them back

[LolaLei]

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and if those orbs are the ancient elves' lifelines so to speak and they are related to those ancient artifacts maybe that's why solas wanted them to be activated. Maybe the orbs can go dormant. Maybe Solas was dormant until his orb was activated and now he's trying to activate the other elves' orbs to bring them back

 

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Do we ever get a codex about that ancient artifacts he has us activate?

[R2s Muse]

Now, I'm thinking that the "Old Gods" and elven pantheon have major connections. I think the Old Gods might be a rival pantheon, maybe even the Forgotten Ones, that opposed the original elven pantheon. And when the OGs got kicked out, they made their way to Tevinter instead.

The correlations are intriguing. I can help but think...

Spoiler

perhaps that Solas closed away the gods for some 'good' reason (since I like to think he is good). So therefore, some of the folk he put away, whether that's the forgotten ones, the old gods, or the regular elven gods, are on the other side of this conflict. But then, if Solas wants to "restore" some of these folk, maybe they're not so bad.

Maaan... I gotta go read the translated ancient elven writings again...

[LolaLei]

On the last point, IIRC, Solas said this specifically. Or maybe a codex. That the focii were each dedicated to a god. Something like that. So, agree, when I heard it, I thought that each of the gods has their own.

Oh man. THIS! Whoa. That would be... something.

I mean, if the quickening started around the same time that the Old Gods started whispering to the humans to be let out... it could very well be that whatever happened with the elven gods being locked away also involved the focii being lost/destroyed/whatever.

 

What if that's why Fen Harel locked them away? To stop them from dying?

 

Spoiler

Solas still had his orb until Corypheus got his hands on it, so he didn't need to seal himself away since until that point he would have been immortal... perhaps the reason why he's so desperate now to bring them back is because he's on a time limit with his own life.

[Queen Rowan]

What if that's why Fen Harel locked them away? To stop them from dying?

 

Spoiler

Solas still had his orb until Corypheus got his hands on it, so he didn't need to seal himself away since until that point he would have been immortal... perhaps the reason why he's so desperate now to bring them back is because he's on a time limit with his own life.

 

Spoiler

yes! and regarding the codex. I'm not sure there if there is one. But he does talk about Corypheus's orb being able to channel ancient elven magics. and then later refers to the orb as another elven artifact lost. Whether or not this artifact is the same as those he's been trying to activate, I'm uncertain... but it seems likely

[LolaLei]

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yes! and regarding the codex. I'm not sure there if there is one. But he does talk about Corypheus's orb being able to channel ancient elven magics. and then later refers to the orb as another elven artifact lost. Whether or not this artifact is the same as those he's been trying to activate, I'm uncertain... but it seems likely

 

Spoiler

What if those things he's been getting us to activate has been strengthening our anchor instead? Solas may need to use us as a last resort if all else fails

[Little Princess Peach]

has anyone seen the letters that Cullen has sent to his sister because I've seen to be missing one