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[R2s Muse]

They do look alike!My initial reaction was "wow",but then again we know that originally Solas was supposed to have dreads(I don't know if there was a pun intended ) and they went for the bald look later on.

LOL Yeah, given that they went through so many iterations on Solas, it's hard to say. Altho, a lot of concept art they're using now has been around since DA:O, as are their ideas on the elven lore that were revealed during the  post-credit scene. So they could've been planning his look since then as well. 

 

Of course, I doubt it,. But it's possible.

[Tishina]

What extra things do we learn as a dwarf? 

I kind of hesitate to give specifics because I haven't been through or watched much myself. But from the way several people have talked, there is some information about dwarves picked up particularly in the Hissing Wastes, and there is some banter particularly with Solas that hints at some things. I believe in DA2, though, you discover a thaig with actual pantheons of gods rather than the Stone and Ancestors (not to mention the Red Lyrium Idol). And there are things about Cadash Thaig/Cad'halash being destroyed because the dwarves took in elves after the end of Arlathan.

 

I think she meant POV or perspective, not PT.

Exactly, though I think there is some new lore as well, and speculation about what the Stone is, now that we know that red lyrium is alive...

[R2s Muse]

True, although it seems that the Elven gods weren't gods in the traditional sense, just very powerful elves... kinda like how some Kings/Queens were thought of as gods, even though they aren't really.

This is how I'm interpreting it. 

 

Of course, what we *do* have here is a story about what it means to be a god... and DG *has* said:

"All of this is, of course, open to interpretation. That's part of the point of faith, if you ask me. Were some god to appear on earth and tell everyone How It Really Is that would destroy the very idea of faith -- though at that point one would have to ask: is such a being really a god? What is a god? What ideas are really worth worship? To me, that's the notion that's worth exploring. Beyond that, all conjecture is welcome. :)"

[LolaLei]

I kind of hesitate to give specifics because I haven't been through or watched much myself. But from the way several people have talked, there is some information about dwarves picked up particularly in the Hissing Wastes, and there is some banter particularly with Solas that hints at some things. I believe in DA2, though, you discover a thaig with actual pantheons of gods rather than the Stone and Ancestors (not to mention the Red Lyrium Idol). And there are things about Cadash Thaig/Cad'halash being destroyed because the dwarves took in elves after the end of Arlathan.

 

Exactly, though I think there is some new lore as well, and speculation about what the Stone is, now that we know that red lyrium is alive...

 

That's interesting, I'll have to run all the races to see what new info we get with each.

[LolaLei]

This is how I'm interpreting it. 

 

Of course, what we *do* have here is a story about what it means to be a god... and DG *has* said:

"All of this is, of course, open to interpretation. That's part of the point of faith, if you ask me. Were some god to appear on earth and tell everyone How It Really Is that would destroy the very idea of faith -- though at that point one would have to ask: is such a being really a god? What is a god? What ideas are really worth worship? To me, that's the notion that's worth exploring. Beyond that, all conjecture is welcome. :)"

 

That's one good thing that

 

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Solas didn't do, he could've run around debunking religions and stuff since he clearly knows more than most, but the only debunking he does is with his own religion just suggesting that certain things could be incorrect.

[MelissaGT]

Not to interrupt the multi-page convo regarding elves and such, but I came across a metal cover of the main theme on youtube...pretty cool!

 

[R2s Muse]

Soooo... I'm going to interrupt our (ir)regularly scheduled offtopic lore discussion for a more saucy kind of off-topicness. 

 

Dorian. NSFW. *nose bleed*

http://picapicae.tum...boy-as-they-say

[Sifr]

LOL Yeah, given that they went through so many iterations on Solas, it's hard to say. Altho, a lot of concept art they're using now has been around since DA:O, as are their ideas on the elven lore that were revealed during the  post-credit scene. So they could've been planning his look since then as well. 

 

Of course, I doubt it,. But it's possible.

 

It's also interesting to note that on Flemeth's grimoire in DAO, it's mentioned as having a leafless tree on the cover and similar trees appear in both the Crossroads and depicted on the Dalish banners.

[R2s Muse]

It's also interesting to note that on Flemeth's grimoire in DAO, it's mentioned as having a leafless tree on the cover and similar trees appear in both the Crossroads and depicted on the Dalish banners.

...yeah... but then as I see pictures of The Acerbic Dowager and  The Kindly Knight all over Thedas in DA:I, I think they also just recycle art a lot, too. 

[neonmoth]

I should add I've kept her in the party constantly since I've gotten her, in spite of the sniping between her and Solas. But I react to her as an LI the same way I did to Merrill, and I'm not even sure why. I also don't like what I was told:

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that she demands a Dalish IQ renounce the Dalish gods or she breaks up with them. I'd have issues with any LI giving me that sort of ultimatum, but that's my personal reaction if it's true. I do plan to romance her, she's the only one who's remotely possible for my Zhenya.

Heh, no worries. I was on a fence with Merril for a long time. Now I love her to bits but there are still things that make me roll my eyes. I was very excited about Sera from the start  (early concepts etc) and when I finally played the game I was surprised how different she was from my imagination. I can understand that she can annoy a lot of people. I may have a weakness for crazy. And she's got tons of it. I just feel that behind all the blunt comments and sometimes confrontational demeanor there are real fears, she does not reveal much about herself and her experiences but I bet there is enough in her past to warrant her opinions. She's also pretty genuine in what she is and what she believes in whether I agree with it or not. And I actually like her bickering with Solas As for her Dalish elf romance, I cannot say much since I haven't played it yet. I am intending to, and I am very curious now.

[Lady Artifice]

It's also interesting to note that on Flemeth's grimoire in DAO, it's mentioned as having a leafless tree on the cover and similar trees appear in both the Crossroads and depicted on the Dalish banners.

That is very interesting. Id forgotten about the tree on the cover. But I remember that I thought it was strange for her to have such a specific symbol there...one that I didnt associate with flemeth at all.

[LolaLei]

Also with the whole Flemeth thing:

 

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I'm now wondering if she'd been having these daughters for thousands of years because she was waiting for Solas to awaken and kill her for her power, which that datamined description said she knew was going to happen. Maybe she wasn't sure exactly when he'd return so she'd periodically have a child so that the daughter could preserve Mythal's essence when the time came? 

 

Obviously Flemeth did still have another daughter alive as well as Morrigan (Yavanna from the comics, before Alistair killed her) but she seemed pretty bat sh*t crazy, so perhaps she decided that Yavanna was too unstable to house Mythal thus why she then gave birth to Morrigan who turned out sane enough to be gifted Mythal when Solas finally came for her.

[Sifr]

...yeah... but then as I see pictures of The Acerbic Dowager and  The Kindly Knight all over Thedas in DA:I, I think they also just recycle art a lot, too. 

 

True, although I like to think that the reason for Oghren's concept art being hung in the Hanged Man is because in the six months between Origins and Awakening, he went on an international booze cruise and ended up on the wall of fame in bars from the Free Marches to Nevarra.

 

But they do reuse a lot of art, that one of the Avvar village seems to be used a ton.

[Lady Artifice]

...yeah... but then as I see pictures of The Acerbic Dowager and  The Kindly Knight all over Thedas in DA:I, I think they also just recycle art a lot, too. 

Oh, thats a good point.

But I like the idea that they had that hint there so long before DAI. I think im going to adopt that belief until its proven wrong.

[Hellion Rex]

Soooo... I'm going to interrupt our (ir)regularly scheduled offtopic lore discussion for a more saucy kind of off-topicness. 

 

Dorian. NSFW. *nose bleed*

http://picapicae.tum...boy-as-they-say

Why yes, Serah. I would love to twirl your staff!

[Hellion Rex]

O_________O

 

 

*BREATHING INTENSIFIES*

[Tishina]

Also with the whole Flemeth thing:

 

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I'm now wondering if she'd been having these daughters for thousands of years because she was waiting for Solas to awaken and kill her for her power, which that datamined description said she knew was going to happen. Maybe she wasn't sure exactly when he'd return so she'd periodically have a child so that the daughter could preserve Mythal's essence when the time came? 

 

Obviously Flemeth did still have another daughter alive as well as Morrigan (Yavanna from the comics, before Alistair killed her) but she seemed pretty bat sh*t crazy, so perhaps she decided that Yavanna was too unstable to house Mythal thus why she then gave birth to Morrigan who turned out sane enough to be gifted Mythal when Solas finally came for her.

Interesting! And it makes sense. I can't believe she was caught unprepared myself.

[MelissaGT]

Linked d/t some NSFW almost nudity in the middle, but overall I think I just peed myself!

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=zsZAjYzLXeM

[Hellion Rex]

YES. YES. YES.

 

http://elmroko.tumblr.com/

[neonmoth]

Not to interrupt the multi-page convo regarding elves and such, but I came across a metal cover of the main theme on youtube...pretty cool!

 

*snip the awesome*

That's great! Thanks for sharing. I am hoarding metal covers for the games I love.

This is one of my favs (badass dorky outfit is an added bonus ) ME3 I was lost without you and I am proud of you

 

And my love, Morrowind

[LolaLei]

Interesting! And it makes sense. I can't believe she was caught unprepared myself.

 

Well, she was fiddling around with the mirror at the end, so maybe she'd just sent off some of Mythal's essence through the eluvian since she knows Morrigan has access to them. As she said in DA2 "it takes just a small piece".

[Sifr]

That is very interesting. Id forgotten about the tree on the cover. But I remember that I thought it was strange for her to have such a specific symbol there...one that I didnt associate with flemeth at all.

 

It makes me wonder if the book on Eluvians that Morrigan stole from Ariane's clan in Witch Hunt, wasn't so much Morrigan pilfering elven lore as much as reclaiming a tome of Flemeth's that she'd left in their care a long time ago. It's weird to look back and realise that the Stolen Throne set up that Flemeth had ties to the Dalish, long before it became in any way relevant to the plot whatsoever.

 

Now I just want to know what was the debt that Marethari owed to her, that was mentioned to Hawke in DA2?

[neonmoth]

Well, she was fiddling around with the mirror at the end, so maybe she'd just sent off some of Mythal's essence through the eluvian since she knows Morrigan has access to them. As she said in DA2 "it takes just a small piece".

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In her conversation with Solas she didn't sound surprised hence I am thinking she was prepared for it and -if she had any alternative plan-she definitely went for it. I am fully expecting Flemeth/Mythal still pulling some strings behind the scenes, regardless of her potential demise.

 

Uhh, top...

 

here have a  Cullen pointing his sword toward my Ere

 

[Hellion Rex]

YES. YES. YES. YES. YES. YES

 

http://elmroko.tumbl.../tagged/elmroko

[riverbanks]

...yeah... but then as I see pictures of The Acerbic Dowager and  The Kindly Knight all over Thedas in DA:I, I think they also just recycle art a lot, too. 

 

For what it's worth it, Danarius' portrait from DA2 is scattered all over Orlais too, and I even saw Bryce Cousland's portrait and the Velvet Cailan portrait somewhere in the wilderness regions. Random meaningless art resource reuse is done a lot thorought the game.